Opportunity at Juniper: China Homologation Manager

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello All, Juniper is continuing to grow. I believe this is my third job posting in as many months. This position is located in Beijing. If you are interested, please send your resume directly to me. Thanks, Marko mradoji...@juniper.net Homologation Manager - China Requirements: ·

Re: Protection system fault-tolerance hierarchy?

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
There is always the old story of the manager of the service dept of skilled and trained people and he went on site to show them how to get it done, and promptly fell over dead just as he removed the green wire ground from the chassis. Assuming that because you manage trained, skilled, and

Re: Different Radiated Emissions results at different labs

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Like this notes says... +/- 8 dB per NSA between all qualified sites. Then there is the uncertainty part of the equipment to add in. Then if you have cables hanging off the EUT, all bets are off, unless you can ensure that those are NOT radiating. Not likely, so Mr. Murphy conspires to

Re: Protection system fault-tolerance hierarchy?

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Brian: What are the legal effects on my employer for Ordinary vs. Skilled vs. Instructed Persons ? By law, I cannot answer this question. Ordinary persons cannot give legal advice. How does this affect the concept of an existing hazard as compared to a fault condition ? This question

Re: Protection system fault-tolerance hierarchy?

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 001b01cb77a2$ec696ad0$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Fri, 29 Oct 2010, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: Do you think that now is the time to get some HBSE training, or will we see a national implementation of IEC62368-1 before the apocalypse ? Undoubtedly, but note

RE: Protection system fault-tolerance hierarchy?

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Rich, What are the legal effects on my employer for Ordinary vs. Skilled vs. Instructed Persons ? How does this affect the concept of an existing hazard as compared to a fault condition ? UL says that A skilled person is expected to use their training and experience to recognize energy sources

Re: Protection system fault-tolerance hierarchy?

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I don't want to re-invent the wheel, but I'm looking to find a simple way to communicate the idea that some systems don't need protection, others need protection, others need protection that will still protect even with a single-fault present anywhere, and so-on. Somewhere somebody must

RE: Protection system fault-tolerance hierarchy?

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Look at NEC/CEC and IEC60364, and perhaps BS7671. You will find that there a certain combinations of VA, current, and voltage where there is no further consideration to product safety. In general, look at the requirements for the application of section 725 of NFPA70. In particular, look at the

Fiber Converters for EMC Chamber

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello, I need to get some USB to fiber optic converters and RS-232 to fiber optic converters to use in a semi-anechoic chamber. I need to use these interfaces over about a 15-20 meter distance, while isolating noise from outside the chamber. Does anyone know of what specific devices I should

Protection system fault-tolerance hierarchy?

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I don't want to re-invent the wheel, but I'm looking to find a simple way to communicate the idea that some systems don't need protection, others need protection, others need protection that will still protect even with a single-fault present anywhere, and so-on. Somewhere somebody must have

Re: Different Radiated Emissions results at different labs

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
HI Charlie, you point out one of the problems in EMI testing that always plagued us. The response by some has been to levy all sorts of controls on the measurement. While this has enabled a more accurate measurement, it hasn't improved correlation one bit. The whole premise of EMC measuring

RE: [PSES] Different Radiated Emissions results at different labs

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Some products are very sensitive to interconnecting cable placement. I don't know of many labs that actually go through cable manipulation at each frequency being measured, along with rotating the product and scanning the antenna height, to make sure the emissions measured are truly maximized. I

Re: [PSES] Different Radiated Emissions results at different labs

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message B5113F712514D611BC3C00D0B76954220122312F@cw-server.complianceworld, dated Fri, 29 Oct 2010, Larry Stillings la...@complianceworldwide.com writes: I have seen products leave the lab and come back and have the same profile within 1 dB or less. It's reasonable to think that the

RE: [PSES] Different Radiated Emissions results at different labs

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
You should be using a different test lab. We have never had that much of a variation on the same EUT. I attribute that to using a true EMI receiver, which has much better amplitude accuracy then a spectrum analyzer. But that is a whole different discussion. I have seen products leave the lab and

Re: Different Radiated Emissions results at different labs

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Seen as much as 12 dB at test labs which have performed site testing with less than 0.5dB variation between them. 1.8dB was traced to spectral regions using conservative antenna factor table, and part [at least to my thinking] was caused by the choice of GND plane which interacts with the

SV: [PSES] Different Radiated Emissions results at different labs

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Quite often I see 4-5 dB variation on the same EUT and on the same lab. Day 1: Make measurement. Take down the test setup. Day 2: New measurement. Same EUT. Tries to recapitulate the test setup with same EUT position on the table and cables. This is a challenge …. J #Amund

Re: Different Radiated Emissions results at different labs

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 00f201cb7737$825fe3a0$871faae0$@com, dated Fri, 29 Oct 2010, Charlie Blackham emcp...@sulisconsultants.com writes: Testing a product to CISPR11 class B and seeing quite a difference in results below 1 GHz when tested at two different labs. How much is 'quite a difference'? It's

Different Radiated Emissions results at different labs

2010-10-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Group Testing a product to CISPR11 class B and seeing quite a difference in results below 1 GHz when tested at two different labs. I don’t wish to discuss why this is being done, but would be very grateful for any Quantitative data people have on differences between different OATS or