Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-29 Thread John Woodgate
In message CAMsB7HTBp7a=spukwcgckjce5e2gppzqbw+6kgnnurtlh1q...@mail.gmail.com, dated Sun, 28 Apr 2013, Pat Lawler pat.law...@verizon.net writes: Do these names reference the same basic design, or are they different animals?  Which ones are used for which type of RF immunity test? IEC

Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-29 Thread Ed Price
So I suppose when the next leap of speed is made in the design and/or operation of reverberant chambers, we can expect them to be marketed as Turbo Reverbs. Add another improvement, and we'll be buying Turbo Surfer Reverbs. Excuse me while I go trademark some stuff. But then the rules will

Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-29 Thread John Woodgate
In message 01ce44b0$5e8c02d0$1ba40870$@cox.net, dated Mon, 29 Apr 2013, Ed Price edpr...@cox.net writes: Excuse me while I go trademark some stuff. Don't forget to add 'i-Chamber' to the list. This will be pocket size but use Tardis technology to make the internal volume as large as

Re: [PSES] Mode-stirred, Mode-tuned, Reverb - what's the difference?

2013-04-29 Thread Luke Turnbull
Hi all, Our experience is that you get pretty much the same levels with either a reverberation chamber, or with high gain antennas in a regular anechoic chamber. It is possible to increase the antenna gain by 3 or 4 dB compared to traditional methods, and get up to the same levels achieved in

[PSES] ITE and POE

2013-04-29 Thread sdoug...@radiusnorth.net
Fellow Listers, Been a long time since I had a product for ITE safety to 60950-1. I know there have been changes since my last effort. The product is ITE and powered by an EPS at 12V DC, 24W. Normally I would say safety is not required for the product, only for the EPS. But this product can

Re: [PSES] ITE and POE

2013-04-29 Thread John Woodgate
In message 34d1809f$1301cddd$1e271f4b$@radiusnorth.net, dated Mon, 29 Apr 2013, sdoug...@radiusnorth.net sdoug...@radiusnorth.net writes: The product is ITE and powered by an EPS at 12V DC, 24W. Normally I would say safety is not required for the product, only for the EPS. But this product

[PSES] ESD test setup

2013-04-29 Thread Curt McNamara
We occasionally do pre-tests with a setup where the tester is on a normal floor (though in some cases this is ESD flooring). There has been a debate as to whether this can effect results. If the tester had picked up a charge, it would be present on the outside of his body and the outside of

Re: [PSES] ESD test setup

2013-04-29 Thread John Woodgate
In message 8cc4260f-a9fe-4004-8216-5d20a3dff...@umn.edu, dated Mon, 29 Apr 2013, Curt McNamara mcnam...@umn.edu writes: There has been a debate as to whether this can effect results. Debate is probably not useful. Do you see any inconsistencies in test results that suggest that a charge on

[PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

2013-04-29 Thread Carl Newton
Customer has a medical wall-wort power supply that has the typical NRTL (call them NRTL1) safety mark that you'd expect to see on a power supply marketed within the USA. Customer's entire device is located within the secondary of that wall-wort power supply and includes no connections to other

Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

2013-04-29 Thread John Woodgate
In message 00bf01ce450a$f8c6ca10$ea545e30$@gmail.com, dated Mon, 29 Apr 2013, Carl Newton emcl...@gmail.com writes:   Still, customer?s NRTL2 is demanding that this test be repeated upon 100% of the power supplies at customer?s premises.  I don't know 'custom and practice' in USA, but I

Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

2013-04-29 Thread Tom Smith
There is no requirement in the US for one NRTL to accept the results of mark of another NRTL, though generally many will. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com tsm...@tjstechnical.com

[PSES] Copyright-free images of product safety testing needed

2013-04-29 Thread Douglas Nix
Colleagues, The PSES will be holding a Product Safety Engineering Workshop in Vancouver, BC, Canada in June, and I need your help. I am designing a brochure / flyer for the event, and I am in desperate need of some hi-resolution images of various kinds of product safety testing in progress. I

Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

2013-04-29 Thread McInturff, Gary
I understand the argument but the logic runs out of room pretty quickly, in my opinion, since there is also a chance for damage after shipping to the customer, does one then send someone to the end user's location to run the test again? Gary -Original Message- From: John Woodgate

Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

2013-04-29 Thread John Woodgate
In message d250d01e39356a4e9cc3b4b459d6655095199...@ms-cda-01.advanced-input.com, dated Mon, 29 Apr 2013, McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com writes: I understand the argument but the logic runs out of room pretty quickly, in my opinion, since there is also a chance for damage after

Re: [PSES] Copyright-free images of product safety testing needed

2013-04-29 Thread Brian Oconnell
Looked at the annual PSES Symposioum presentations? I remember several with these types of images. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Douglas Nix Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:51 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; PSES BOD Subject:

Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

2013-04-29 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Carl: I suggest you take it up a notch with NRTL2. Take it up the management chain at NRTL2. NRTL managers tend to be more open to issues of added cost to their client, especially where the value of the requirement is questionable. At the same time, the manager has some duty to support his

[PSES] Review: Bay Area electronic surplus stores

2013-04-29 Thread Ken Wyatt
Hi All, Just for fun...I reviewed the majority of electronics surplus stores in the South Bay Area during my activities at Design West (San Jose) last week. Living in Colorado, there are only two decent electronic surplus stores in the state. So, when I traveled to the Bay Area for an EMC

Re: [PSES] Review: Bay Area electronic surplus stores

2013-04-29 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Ken, That TRS-80 would have made a great demo unit for why we have EMC regulations today. I had one in my home over a weekend when I worked for the Navy in the late 1970s. You did not watch television (antenna on roof, pre-cable) or listen to the radio in any radio service for which I had a

Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

2013-04-29 Thread Chris
  Carl,   you not alone dealing with such issues.   Similar rules also apply to the PSE marketed wall-wort power supply in Japan. We are also facing 100% dielectric voltage withstand testing be repeated on all in coming power supplies Our porduct is a WiFi a/b/g/n device. I guess the Denon Law

Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

2013-04-29 Thread Carl Newton
Hello Rich, This issue has been decided by the chief engineer for all USA medical labs at NRTL2. The interesting part is that the staff safety engineers at NRTL2 appear to agree with me (including Sr engineers there). I'm told that it's the responsibility of the chief engineer to worry about

Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

2013-04-29 Thread Peter Merguerian
Christopher No need to repeat 100% dielectric strength testing for Japan PSE . You must provide the importer test records showing test has been performed on 100% production. The importer must retain these records for METI inspection. Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian

Re: [PSES] Review: Bay Area electronic surplus stores

2013-04-29 Thread John Shinn
Ken: That was an excellent job of finding all of those component and surplus stores here in the south bay. John Shinn From: Ken Wyatt Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:20 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Review: Bay Area electronic surplus stores Hi All, Just for fun...I reviewed