Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Doug Nix
John, I never thought of it that way. Great perspective! Thanks! Doug Nix d...@mac.com “The last of human freedoms - the ability to chose one's attitude in a given set of circumstances.” Viktor Frankl Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes. Mahatma

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
I was on contract to write a test plan for a new AED when one of the project managers complained about the cost of doing all the tests. No one else does, it's a competitive disadvantage. Why make it so difficult? Rather than fall back on Because you can't legally sell them without, I replied

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Weininger, Sandy
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety I was on contract to write a test plan for a new AED when one of the project managers complained about the cost of doing all the tests. No one else does, it's a competitive disadvantage. Why make it so difficult? Rather than fall back

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Jack Burns
: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:02 AM To: John Woodgate Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety John, I never thought of it that way. Great perspective! Thanks! Doug Nix d...@mac.com The last of human freedoms - the ability to chose one's attitude

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread John Woodgate
In message 000c01cdd486$cdf05bc0$69d11340$@ieee.org, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Jack Burns jbu...@ieee.org writes: Should the added cost of the safety features be considered a marketing or legal expense?   Well, either, because generally for those budgets USD5 is a trifle, whereas it's half

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Brian Oconnell
Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 8:13 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety I've used that 'Do you have so many customers that you can afford to kill a few?' response to that. It doesn't make one popular but it gets the point over. -- OOO - Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Grasso, Charles
Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety In message 000c01cdd486$cdf05bc0$69d11340$@ieee.org, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Jack Burns jbu...@ieee.org writes: Should the added cost of the safety features be considered a marketing or legal expense?   Well, either, because generally for those budgets

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread John Woodgate
In message b8f3f23a24ba3f4688cc5275527cb98b0e500...@inwpiexc02.sats.corp, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com writes: Analysis showed that the OEM manufacturer left out a small component - the bleed resistor across the filter caps - with massive results. Those

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread McInturff, Gary
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety In message 000c01cdd486$cdf05bc0$69d11340$@ieee.org, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Jack Burns jbu...@ieee.org writes: Should the added cost of the safety features be considered a marketing or legal expense?   Well, either, because generally for those

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:12 AM To: John Woodgate; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] The Cost of Safety Years ago I had firsthand experience ( as a fledgling engineer) of a DIRECT financial impact on the company I worked for at the time due to a safety hazard in a fielded

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 12/07/2012 08:21 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety In message 000c01cdd486$cdf05bc0$69d11340$@ieee.org, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Jack Burns jbu...@ieee.org writes: Should the added cost of the safety features

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
) ___ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Solar Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 12/07/2012 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety Years ago I had firsthand experience

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety I had a similar experience years ago. Prototype power filter in a system that ran on 3 phase power. The tech who built up the filter forgot the bleeder resistors. I picked up the power cord sometime after the unit had been turned off and unplugged

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
-Original Message- From: Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com Sent: Dec 7, 2012 1:12 PM To: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] The Cost of Safety Years ago I had firsthand experience ( as a fledgling engineer

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread John Woodgate
In message d250d01e39356a4e9cc3b4b459d6655094d97...@ms-cda-01.advanced-input.com, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com writes: The counter example, maybe. Is a monitor we built some years ago was at the start of a fire. Evaluation quickly showed that the

[PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-06 Thread Richard Nute
I recall a marketing VP saying to me some years ago that safety is a cost without a return. Meaning we don’t want to put any more money into safety than we absolutely have to. In today’s paper, we learn that this mantra continues. “At the April 2011 meeting in Dhaka, the Bangladesh

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
In message 388614C14BF842D68620C77DADC90DBA@RichardHPdv6, dated Thu, 6 Dec 2012, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: I recall a marketing VP saying to me some years ago that safety is a cost without a return.  Meaning we don’t want to put any more money into safety than we absolutely have to.