Hi Dan,
I saw this come across my inbox this morning and immediately thought about the
conversation on this list that you started in 2022. I thought you might be
interested in the lead article on the pacemaker study.
Doug Nix
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pacemakers
Hello Dan,
on
https://www.bfarm.de/DE/Medizinprodukte/Aufgaben/Risikobewertung-und-Forschu
ng/Wissenschaftliche-Aufarbeitung/EMV-Studie_Herzschrittmacher.html you may
find a press release from the German Bundesinstitut für Arzneimittel und
Medizinprodukte (BfArM; Federal
and Medical Devices) on
a "Study on the immunity of implantable pacemakers of the Institut für
Rundfunktechnik GmbH, Munich". In this study, the EMC immunity of 274 pacemaker
devices was tested according to European standard EN 45502-2-1 (CENELEC -
CEN/CLC/JTC 16
(cencenelec
to subject my relative to
that!
Dan
From: Chas Grasso [mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2022 10:16 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Magnetic fields, human exposure standards, and pacemakers
Hello Dan,
Dont you think that (irrespective
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> *From:* MIKE SHERMAN [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net]
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standards, and pacemakers
Dan --
I'd suggest that you have your relative call Support at the pacemaker/defib
manufacturer. On a slightly different project, I found a lot of on-line
information about device immunity, and I think we even called Support and got
additional clarifying information
llator who recently
> got a fitness tracker that has a magnet for attachment/alignment of the
> charging cord. There are warnings in the user manual advising against people
> with pacemakers using this product because of the magnets, which I assume are
> fairly strong rare e
Hi Dan,
So the issue here is that pacemakers are designed to be stopped with the use of
a permanent magnet. When the cardiologist is checking the operation of the
pacemaker in the office, they will stop it by placing a permanent magnet on the
chest of the patient. They can then see how
Mains power lines running overhead make magnetic fields at 50/60 hertz….
I lived near Barcelona, Spain, for almost two years. The local trains used
overhead lines. The stations used color CRT displays for train info. You
could tell when a train was arriving as the display would distort
, and those speaker
and power port magnetics are DC.Another comparison, the shoplifting detector
devices at the doors of many retail shops are not DC, but AC magnetic fields
that tends operate at about 15-25 kilowatts. So pacemakers and other magnetic
sensitive devices are designed to go
Hello list!
I have a relative with an implanted pacemaker/defibrillator who recently got
a fitness tracker that has a magnet for attachment/alignment of the charging
cord. There are warnings in the user manual advising against people with
pacemakers using this product because of the magnets
Paolo,
You are looking for ISO 14117 which covers implantable pacemakers and
defibrillators. It has E and H field radiated testing as well as conducted
testing for susceptibility to things like cellular signals, RFID, metal
detectors, etc.
Thanks,
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Hello everybody
anyone can give infos about interference levels on implantation cardiac
devices, also known as pacemakers ?
1. standard levels of EMI that are allowed. Is IEC/EN 60601-1-2 the only
applicable standard or is there any other more specific for pacemakers?
2. typical and hazardous
Dear list members,
I am looking for the field strength that implantable pacemakers are designed
to work perfect at. Frequency range in question is 10 - 50 kHz.
The medical standard EN 60601-1-2 has no requirements in that frequency range.
I have found EN 45502-1 and ISO 14708-2
In message 009d01c970cb$a4087720$ec196560$@dk, dated Wed, 7 Jan 2009,
Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk writes:
I am looking for the field strength that implantable pacemakers are
designed to work perfect at. Frequency range in question is 10 - 50 kHz.
This is a very complex issue, still under
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Sent: 07 January 2009 13:27
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Pacemakers
Dear list members,
I am looking for the field strength that implantable pacemakers are designed
to work perfect at. Frequency range in question is 10 - 50 kHz.
The medical standard EN 60601-1-2
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Sent: 7. januar 2009 14:49
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: Pacemakers
In message 009d01c970cb$a4087720$ec196560$@dk, dated Wed, 7 Jan 2009,
Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk writes
of people
to electromagnetic fields from 0 Hz to 300 GHz.
Yes, and that includes exposure of the pacemakers to those fields.
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Sent: 07 January 2009 14:56
To: John Woodgate; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Pacemakers
Hello John,
I do not think Cenelec TC 106X work with this issue:
Scope (en) TC 106X deals with various aspects of the exposure
Of John Woodgate
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dated Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com writes:
Is WG15 also dealing with combined pacemaker/defibrillator units?
I think so, but I'm not a member. I think the work is
In message
0ed66cd2c9bd0a459d54fb9119a605675f5...@mailserver.lecotc.com, dated
Fri, 11 May 2007, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes:
The study had credibility because the kid's father was a heart doctor,
but neither one is an EMC engineer. I think they had the wrong
expertise involved
to point out the emporers clothes.
Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com wrote:
Sounds like the kid's dad was installing budget pacemakers.
I've read about 6 different articles on this topic today which all seem to
have conflicting stories. Even Paul Harvey mentioned it today.
The media seems
Or, to re-state the title;
pacemakers susceptable to interference that can cause malfunctions
And why re-state the title? Recall the many recalls of pacemakers and such
in recent times.
Tarver, Peter peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com wrote:
This is a study, rather than an incident report. Hysteria
This is a study, rather than an incident report. Hysteria (like the
cell phone fire a few weeks back) or reality? The occupations of
parents of the study creator (especially the father) and the lead author
lend credibility. That the study was performed on implanted pacemakers
made me uneasy
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Sent: Freitag, 19. November 2004 15:47
To: israe...@oms-it.co.il; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Heart pacemakers - Vulnerability to EM
I don't know what the standards call for but it is quite possible
It may be worth noting that in the medium wave broadcast band the FCC limit
is over 600 volts per meter. We don't incur inherently harmful induced body
currents with less at these frequencies -- unless we're hanging onto an
antenna.
But considering the low potentials to be measured, and the
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To: israe...@oms-it.co.il, emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Heart pacemakers - Vulnerability to EM
I don't know what the standards call for but it is quite possible for a person
to be subjected to an E-field exceeding 500 V/m very near to an amateur radio
station. This is the field at my
I have just a bit of personal experience in testing implantable pacemakers and
volumetric infusion pumps. I had been doing RF immunity studies for a
manufacturer, circa 1990, using an FDA standard (MDS-401-xxx?) for medical
electronic devices.
I exposed devices to fields as strong as I could
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Subject: RE: Heart pacemakers - Vulnerability to EM
I am no expert in this subject, and some of what I am about to say is hearsay,
but here it is for what it's worth.
Safety levels are generally based not on field strength, but on power density.
However, these levels are set
on a pacemaker rather than
directly on the body itself. Clearly, if you disrupt a pacemaker then it is
the pacemaker that has an effect on the body.
I believe that the susceptibility depends greatly on whether they are external
pacemakers or implanted pacemakers. The implanted devices are much less
, at the body,
of over 30 V/m.
Dave Cuthbert
From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Israel
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:55 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Heart pacemakers - Vulnerability to EM
Hi all
Heart pacemakers may
Hi all
Heart pacemakers may be vulnerable to Electro Magnetic energy. Has anyone
idea about safe immunity levels ? about relevant standards regarding this
matter ?
Thanks !
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is from the IEEE Product Safety
I have been asked the following question:
Does anybody have any experience with pacemakers and multiple spark
discharge ignitions? We would like to know if there is any trouble with a
pacemaker when it gets close to a high powered ignition.
If there is anyone who is racing cars and has
Hi Peter,
I'm not sure what your wrist device does. Does it have electronics
in it with clock frequencies over 9 kHz? Does it transmit a EMF?
If the device is within CISPR limits then you should be OK for
pacemakers. I think they are tested at 100 V/m. Some pacemakers
have a magnetic switch
Dear All,
For a medical device to be worn on the wrist of a patient, does anyone know
what additional requirements (if any) should the manufacturer of the medical
device take in order for the device not to interfere with a cardiac
pacemaker?
My little research on the subject tells me that the
Check the AAMI site for possible US standards.
http://www.aami.org/
Devices are tested to FDA requirements by Georgia Tech Research Institute.
Contact Jimmy Woody for info.
http://www.gtri.gatech.edu/
A1:1995 of EN 50061:1988 covers immunity of implantable pacemakers.
PrEN 45502-2-1 is a new
Industry (and international) standard as listed by AAMI (Association for the
Advancement of Medical Instrumentation):
IEC 60601-2-31:1994 -- Medical electrical equipment, Part 2: Particular
requirements for the safety of external cardiac pacemakers with internal
power source
Item: Final
Document
Is anyone aware of any radiated immunity standards or test limits for
pacemakers (national, international, or industry)?
Bob Heller
3M Product Safety, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651- 778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
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It is well known in the medical device community that the immunity standards
for implanted medical devices and the emissions standards for electrical
devices are not compatible. Pacemakers have an operations mode that is used
when excessive noise is detected. That mode goes by several names
electronics is not that much different
from any other electronic camera. All such devices must operate at
very low power levels to avoid changing batteries every month. My
wife's APS can go a year or more on a battery, and that's including
use of the built in flash.
Pacemakers--My father-in-law
: Peter Poulos [SMTP:pet...@foxboro.com.au]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:21 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Standard for EM Immunity for cardiac pacemakers?
Can anyone point me in the direction of any standards that would
cover the
electromagnetic
Can anyone point me in the direction of any standards that would cover the
electromagnetic immunity requirements for cardiac pacemakers?
The focus of my interest is for pacemakers that are likely to be found in
Hong Kong or southern China.
The closest I've found with my own hunting so far
ANSI/IEEE C95.1 is for human exposure but it does not cover pacemakers.
Draft VDE0848 part 2 (1991) covers 30 kHz-300Ghz and does have limits for
pacemakers. An English translation is available from BSI.
There is no relationship between the limits for human exposure and limits
for pacemakers
What is the ANSI standard or regulation for safe limits for people
exposed to electromagnetic fields? How about people with pacemakers?
I've been informed that there may have been a German study done in
1988 concluding that these field limit values could be used
deal of pacemaker testing,
possibly testing more pacemakers each year than any other lab. Also, some
EMC consultants in Minneapolis are very familiar with pacemaker testing
issues.
Paul Cook
NARTE Certified EMC Engineer
Alpha EMC Inc
8540 West River Rd
Minneapolis, Minnestoa 55444
Tel # (612)-561
operate normally.
Cortland (KA5S) Richmond
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Date: 21-Jun-99 05:06:07 MsgID: 1068-85694 ToID: 72146,373
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Brian, in the EU all pacemakers must comply with the immunity requirements
of EN50061/A1:1995. There are no real requirements in the US.
Pacemakers must not malfunction when a 1V peak to peak sine signal with a
frequency range of 20 Hz-500 Hz is applied to a tissue interface simulation
circuit
How do I know if a product MIGHT interfere with a Pacemaker or not? What types
of emissions and levels are Pacemakers sensitive to? Does a product evaluation
check list exist to help determine this.
I know nothing about Pacemakers. BTW, we manufacture laboratory and IT
equipment.
Thank you
No. Amendment 1 of EN 50061 contains the right EMC requirements for
pacemakers. Similar EMC requirements have been included in EN 45502
family for other kinds of implantable medical devices.
Juan Pedro Peña
Does EN 60601-1-2:1993 cover EMC for implantable medical devices such as
pacemakers?
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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:59:24 -0400, you wrote:
Does EN 60601-1-2:1993 cover EMC for implantable medical devices such as
pacemakers?
I don't see it mentioned, although there is an IEC standard that covers them:
IEC 60601-2-10 (1987-12) Medical electrical equipment. Part 2: Particular
requirements
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