RE: RTTE Notified Body Opinion Cheaper than Full Testing?

2011-05-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Tony In my experience, if you are embedding wireless modules that already have CE authorisation from the original manufacturer, then a Technical File and Notified Body Opinion is cheaper. I have done this for a number of clients. If you need more details contact me directly. Regards David

Re: RTTE Notified Body Opinion Cheaper than Full Testing?

2011-05-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In my opinion it would be more expensive to do a Technical File (old Technical Construction File) because it is very difficult and massive amounts of calculations et al to prove that your unit will pass the EMC Directive using non-test data (schematics, etc) for all of the radiated and interfering

Re: RTTE Notified Body Opinion Cheaper than Full Testing?

2011-05-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In my opinion it would be more expensive to do a Technical File (old Technical Construction File) because it is very difficult and massive amounts of calculations et al to prove that your unit will pass the EMC Directive using non-test data (schematics, etc) for all of the radiated and interfering

Re: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Depends where you are going with it in the world? Some countries as part of the radiocom approval process require an iec 60950-1 safety test report Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. Tel: 408-4163772 Cel: 408-9313303 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2010, at

Re: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 003a01cb4308$1c6d36f0$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: Class '2' is ** NOT ** the same thing as Class 'II'. Yes, but not everyone always writes 'II'. It is advisable to check. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try

Re: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Depends where you are going with it in the world? Some countries as part of the radiocom approval process require an iec 60950-1 safety test report Peter Merguerian pe...@goglobcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. Tel: 408-4163772 Cel: 408-9313303 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2010, at

Re: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 003a01cb4308$1c6d36f0$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: Class '2' is ** NOT ** the same thing as Class 'II'. Yes, but not everyone always writes 'II'. It is advisable to check. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try

RE: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com Subject: RE: RTTE and IEC 60950 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 5:14 PM Class '2' is ** NOT ** the same thing as Class 'II'. The concept of an class 2 power source

RE: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:00 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: RTTE and IEC 60950 In message 003101cb4301$80977930$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Brian

Re: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 003101cb4301$80977930$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: 1. Class '2' has no meaning outside of North America. That depends on which sort of 'Class 2' it is! 'Class 2' in the sense of double-insulation and no PEC applies

Re: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message f12eba124c6e064b9cf1b45e67ddb7e79099a...@dlee02.ent.ti.com, dated Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Gartman, Richard rgart...@ti.com writes: I am looking for view points on wither or not IEC60950 is necessary for a WiFi product, and if so why. For use in which countries? It is essential to specify

RE: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
1. Class '2' has no meaning outside of North America. 2. See Guide to the RTTE Directive. 3. Is the unit marked as Class III, and does the battery have a test cert ? If so, the only mitigation removed is protection from shock - all other ITE safety requirements may apply, depending on the

RE: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com Subject: RE: RTTE and IEC 60950 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 5:14 PM Class '2' is ** NOT ** the same thing as Class 'II'. The concept of an class 2 power source

RE: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:00 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: RTTE and IEC 60950 In message 003101cb4301$80977930$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Brian

Re: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 003101cb4301$80977930$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: 1. Class '2' has no meaning outside of North America. That depends on which sort of 'Class 2' it is! 'Class 2' in the sense of double-insulation and no PEC applies

Re: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message f12eba124c6e064b9cf1b45e67ddb7e79099a...@dlee02.ent.ti.com, dated Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Gartman, Richard rgart...@ti.com writes: I am looking for view points on wither or not IEC60950 is necessary for a WiFi product, and if so why. For use in which countries? It is essential to specify

RE: RTTE and IEC 60950

2010-08-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
1. Class '2' has no meaning outside of North America. 2. See Guide to the RTTE Directive. 3. Is the unit marked as Class III, and does the battery have a test cert ? If so, the only mitigation removed is protection from shock - all other ITE safety requirements may apply, depending on the

Re: RTTE equipment to South Africa.

2007-05-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
On 5/17/2007, Daniel Liang wrote: Does anyone know the EMC, RTTE and electrical safety requirements for South Africa? Which regulatory authority in South Africa I should contact? Hi Daniel: I get involved with a South African approval every year or two, and each time the names and

Re: RTTE equipment to South Africa.

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Daniel, For non-telecom/radiocom, the regulatory authority is SABS. You willneed LoA (safety) and CoC (emc). For the LoA you will need the name of your importer. For telecom/radiocom the regulatory authority is ICASA. Best Regards, Peter Daniel Liang daniel_liang_...@yahoo.com wrote:

RE: RTTE Conformity Assessment Procedure

2006-08-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Grace There are other issues that may be involved but let’s address your specific question. Labs are not actually ‘registered’ with a Notified Body except under annexes V and up. The intent of use for an NB proposed in your email is 1 - to give credence to the test suite under annex III or 2

RE: RTTE Conformity Assessment Procedure

2006-08-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The alert mark is required if the frequency band is not harmonized in the EU. Bill From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:47 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: RTTE Conformity Assessment Procedure In message

Re: RTTE Conformity Assessment Procedure

2006-08-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 2a93eb060608091024h274cf040w98474b21dcc66...@mail.gmail.com, dated Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes I don't understand the first paragraph of Annex III.  My question is: do I need to have my lab (in a manufacturer) registed with one of notified bodies to be

RE: RTTE apply for non-radio equipment?

2006-01-25 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Amund, We use the RTTE Directive for batteries that are used with radios. For the chargers we use the EMC and Low Voltage Directive. Finally, the radio team uses the RTTE directive with the complete system. Best Regards, Jody Leber Senior Regulatory Engineer jody.le...@motorola.com

Re: RTTE apply for non-radio equipment?

2006-01-25 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message aoenigjpfmpdhikjmgcniegnciaa.am...@westin-emission.no, dated Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes We have been told by a RTTE Notified Body that non-radio equipment are covered by RTTE directive, if they are a part of a total radio system and connected

RE: RTTE apply for non-radio equipment?

2006-01-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Check this TR from ETSI this gives some guidance for radio approvals and associated devices. Below is an excerpt from ETSI TR 102 070-2 V1.1.1 (2002-11) Guide to the application of harmonized standards to multi-radio and combined radio and non-radio equipment; Part 2: Effective use of the

RE: RTTE apply for non-radio equipment?

2006-01-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The RTTED is for radio equipment and telecommunications terminal equipment not just radio equipment. Article 2 of the RTTED states “radio equipment means a product, or relevant component thereof”. The “relevant component thereof” is where some equipment classified and “non-radio” are included in

RE: RTTE Labelling Question...AND - CE MARK QUESTION

2005-10-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Kevin brings up another good point, Can one CE mark a product and yet have an asterisk, stating it does not comply with one country in the EU? There are many deviations for safety and now Kevin brings up an EMI issues as well.. thanks, Richard, From: emc-p...@ieee.org

RE: RTTE to be marketed in Greece.

2005-06-30 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi You can try also this link: http://www.eett.gr/eng_pages/index2n.htm Best regards Gaétan Hogue Approvals Manager Eicon Networks Phone: (514) 832-3488 Fax: (514) 745-5588 Email: gaetan.ho...@eicon.com http://www.eicon.com http://www.eicon.com/ From: Amund Westin

RE: RTTE Question

2004-05-10 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Kevin, I think you can find the answer in the FAQ on the RTTE site : http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/rtte/faq.htm#informing It says under the chapter: What information has to be given to the user by the manufacturer? For apparatus that makes use of radio frequency bands, is

RE: RTTE for Medical Devices?

2003-07-19 Thread Brent DeWitt
Del, I'm not an RTTE expert, but from the MDD side under the 2nd edition of 60601-1-2 (2001), the function of the card and it's communications would have to be evaluated. If it falls under the ESSENTIAL FUNCTION of the medical device, it would be subject to the requirements of 60601-1-2. These

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-07 Thread fdev...@assaabloyitg.com
owner-emc-pstc@majordocc: mo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

RE: RTTE requirements

2003-07-02 Thread Carpentier Kristiaan
. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Title: RE: RTTE requirements Bill, An ADSL modem is telecom terminal equipment and must comply with the RTTE Directive. Harmonised standards to comply with: Art 3.1a) Safety

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-02 Thread Bill Stumpf
DLS Electronics 166 South Carter St. Genoa City WI 53128 ph: 262-279-0210 fx: 262-279-3630 email: bstu...@dlsemc.com EU CAB for EMC and RTTE From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:32 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-02 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
...@gigabyte.com.tw] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 9:51 PM To: jheff...@core.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification Even though individual country forms do not explicitly suggest the if applicable condition, just take the initiative to put not considered

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-02 Thread rehel...@mmm.com
Out of curiosity...are there ANY harmonized frequencies in Europe? Is 13.56 MHz harmonized? Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-02 Thread Barker, Neil
[mailto:bstu...@dlsemc.com] Sent: 02 July 2003 13:59 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification Richard Woods wrote: Gerald, please explain why a Notified Body number is required? I thought that a harmonized ETSI standard exists. A Notified Body

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-02 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
I understand that Class 1 products use harmonized bands. 13.56 MHz is not harmonized. Sigh! Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:05 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-02 Thread Lothar Schmidt
: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:05 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification Out of curiosity...are there ANY harmonized frequencies in Europe? Is 13.56 MHz harmonized? Bob Heller 3M EMC

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-02 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
[mailto:neil.bar...@e2vtechnologies.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:11 AM To: 'Bill Stumpf'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification My understanding is that where there is a harmonised standard, but the spectrum usage is not harmonised

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-02 Thread Bill Stumpf
...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:05 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification Out of curiosity...are there ANY harmonized frequencies in Europe? Is 13.56 MHz harmonized? Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-01 Thread Bill Stumpf
Jan, You do not have to go through a notified body or U.S. CAB to notify. Each Member State has its own form that can be downloaded for this purpose, and yes , you do have to notify if the frequency is not harmonized in that Member State. Go to www.ero.dk for frequency allocation information.

Re: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-01 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Jan Heffken jheff...@core.com wrote (in 200307011403.h61e3n69098...@mail4.mx.voyager.net) about 'RTTE Directive Member States Notification' on Tue, 1 Jul 2003: Since paragraph 31 uses should and not shall do I have to do it all? The text you cite is in the 'whereases'

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-01 Thread Gerald Tammi
I have gone through the process of a 802.11 WLAN. France is not harmonized to the rest on the EU in the 2.4Ghz spread spectrum. Yes you will need a NOTIFIED BODY number to submit with the country notifications Yes you need to send notification to each country that you want to sell into. There

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-01 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com
...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification I have gone through the process of a 802.11 WLAN. France is not harmonized to the rest on the EU in the 2.4Ghz spread spectrum. Yes you will need a NOTIFIED BODY number to submit with the country notifications Yes you need to send

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-01 Thread Gerald Tammi
] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:32 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification Gerald, please explain why a Notified Body number is required? I thought that a harmonized ETSI standard exists. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International

Re: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-01 Thread stillin...@aol.com
Gerald, Richard, All Ok, I have to chime in here. You do not need a Notified Body when there is a Harmonized Standard published in the OJ. I understand that the frequency is not harmonized (france because of their Military band), but there is a harmonized standard and therefore no

Re: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-01 Thread fdev...@assaabloyitg.com
mo.ieee.org cc: Subject: Re: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-01 Thread alain.sam...@gigabyte.com.tw
-Byte From: Gerald Tammi [mailto:gera...@zoom.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:35 AM To: 'richwo...@tycoint.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification The 2.4 Ghz frequency spectrum is NOT harmonized. France is one of the countries that has

Re: RTTE DoC languages

2003-05-20 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that richwo...@tycoint.com wrote (in 846BF526A205F8 4BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A04675F9D@flbocexu05) about 'RTTE DoC languages' on Tue, 20 May 2003: Anything the group can provide would be appreciated, but I would ask that persons refrain from offering translations if they are not

RE: RTTE - antennas

2003-05-16 Thread Gert Gremmen
...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Lothar Schmidt Sent: donderdag 15 mei 2003 00:04 To: 'Amund Westin'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE - antennas It depends on which ETS/EN standard is applicable for the Radio some of them have the antenna parameters specified as part of the spectrum parameters

RE: RTTE - antennas

2003-05-15 Thread Charles Blackham
Amund Check the standards applicable to your product - provided that you meet the standard at the output from your transmitter system (impedance etc.) you should be able to specify that any antenna meeting the relevant ETSI class may be used. You will also have to specify the maximum gain of

RE: RTTE - antennas

2003-05-14 Thread Lothar Schmidt
It depends on which ETS/EN standard is applicable for the Radio some of them have the antenna parameters specified as part of the spectrum parameters. Best Regards Lothar Schmidt Technical Manager EMC/Radio/SAR BQB CETECOM Inc. 411 Dixon Landing Road Milpitas, CA 95035 phone ?+1 (408) 586

RE: RTTE - antennas

2003-05-14 Thread Carpentier Kristiaan
Amund, Another antenna may alter the Radio and EMC behaviour of your radio transmitter. So you must check if the complete system with the other antenna is still compliant with the applicable harmonised EMC and radio standards. Kris From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent:

Re: RTTE directive.

2003-01-29 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Gary McInturff Gary.McInturff@worldwidepackets .com wrote (in 4e9a9436c008314eaa32033b23e96fd90b0...@thorondor.wwp.co m) about 'RTTE directive.' on Wed, 29 Jan 2003: Anybody have a link to peruse and purchase this, and a brief synopsis. Replied to a previous e-mail

RE: RTTE directive.

2003-01-29 Thread Mark Render
Hope the following links help - I think it is what you are looking for : Link to the text of the RTTE Directive : http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/rtte/dir99-5.htm List of harmonised standards published in the Official Journal of the EC for the RTTE:

RE: RTTE - receive only equipment

2002-10-15 Thread Gert Gremmen
oktober 2002 19:09 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE - receive only equipment Good question Amund. I found nothing in the Directive that provides a clear direction. I think that sound of silence from the rest of the group means that no one knows the answer. I checked the UK's

RE: RTTE - receive only equipment

2002-10-15 Thread richwoods
Good question Amund. I found nothing in the Directive that provides a clear direction. I think that sound of silence from the rest of the group means that no one knows the answer. I checked the UK's notification form and there is only one place where they ask about the receiver: Duplex direction

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread Joe Finlayson
to ETSI TBR's although we would rather delay project until it is necessary. Thx, Joe -Original Message- From: Paul Didcott [mailto:pdidc...@ktl.com] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:34 AM To: 'Joe Finlayson' Cc: TREG Newsgroup; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread colin_mcgeechan
...@ieee.org; n...@world.std.com Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Dear Colin, TTE to be approved are, according to the wording used in the Korean ministry decree: 1- Equipment which can be connected directly to a demarcation point of backbone communication network. 2

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread John Czyzewicz
: colin_mcgeec...@agilent.com ld.std.com Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread 岑國綸
: colin_mcgeec...@agilent.com [mailto:colin_mcgeec...@agilent.com] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:32 PM To: t...@world.std.com; emc-p...@ieee.org; n...@world.std.com Cc: colin_mcgeec...@agilent.com Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Hi All, I have some Network Equipment

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread Andre, Pierre-Marie
: jeudi 3 octobre 2002 12:32 To: t...@world.std.com; emc-p...@ieee.org; n...@world.std.com Cc: colin_mcgeec...@agilent.com Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Hi All, I have some Network Equipment with DS1 and E1/T1 interfaces, it is for use within the Telco Central

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-03 Thread colin_mcgeechan
Message- From: Joe Finlayson [mailto:jfinlay...@telica.com] Sent: 02 October 2002 19:56 To: TREG Newsgroup; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Roger, Thanks for the contact. I will do just that and post the response from Mr

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-02 Thread Joe Finlayson
; 'Clement Dave-LDC009'; TREG Newsgroup; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup' Cc: Roger Magnuson Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Joe et al, It seems a little overambitious to declare it under RTTE as Network Equipment did not even require type approval under the old TTE Directive

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-02 Thread Richard Hughes
: Hughes, Richard [HAL02:GF00:EXCH]; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup'; 'TREG Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Agreed. So, in Peter's case, he stated that his product is SELV and therefore is not designed or intended to connect to the PSTN. From that statement

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-02 Thread Roger Magnuson
. Roger Magnuson TGC Communication AB -Original Message- From: treg-appro...@world.std.com [mailto:treg-appro...@world.std.com]On Behalf Of Joe Finlayson Sent: den 2 oktober 2002 19:09 To: 'Clement Dave-LDC009'; TREG Newsgroup; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-02 Thread Joe Finlayson
-LDC009 [mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:47 AM To: 'Joe Finlayson'; TREG Newsgroup; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Joe, Maybe I have missed something here but how does the TNV-X vs SELV from a safety

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-02 Thread Clement Dave-LDC009
: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Dave, Please reference the subject title of this thread. My position is that by declaring compliance to the RTTE Directive, we would then be stating that we have designed to and/or are capable of connecting to the PSTN. This would

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-02 Thread gary . raper
...@ieee.org, 'NEBS Newsgroup' n...@world.std.com cc: Subject:RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Dave,     Please reference the subject title of this thread.  My position is that by declaring compliance to the RTTE Directive, we would then be stating that we

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-02 Thread Gary McInturff
01, 2002 3:15 PM To: 'Richard Hughes'; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup'; 'TREG Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Richard, Good point - the directly or indirectly part grabbed my attention but that seems too broad a description which could encompass quite

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-02 Thread Joe Finlayson
...@motorola.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:05 AM To: 'Joe Finlayson'; TREG Newsgroup Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface This whole discussion is some what of a moot point. Under the RTTE directive there are no mandatory telecom standards anyway. Dave Clement

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-02 Thread Joe Finlayson
. Thx, Joe -Original Message- From: Paul Didcott [mailto:pdidc...@ktl.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:59 AM To: 'Joe Finlayson' Cc: 'Richard Hughes'; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup'; 'TREG Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Guys

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-01 Thread Richard Hughes
any upper or lower voltage limit). Well, that's enough personal opinions expressed on this matter for me... Richard Hughes -Original Message- From: Joe Finlayson [mailto:jfinlay...@telica.com] Sent: 01 October 2002 17:52 To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-01 Thread Joe Finlayson
Peter, As this product does not connect to the PSTN and is destined for the Central Office only, I would say the RTTE Directive does not apply as the scope does not include Network Equipment. Thx, Joe -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il]

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-01 Thread Gemma Paolo
EN 60950 is a harmonized safety standard also for RTTE. For the RTTE is a manufacturer choice to use the old LVD and EMCD rule to certify the safety and EMC requirement or the new rule of RTTE (annex II, III, IV or IV). Ciao Paolo _ Paolo Gemma

RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface

2002-10-01 Thread Joe Finlayson
...@nortelnetworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:57 PM To: 'Joe Finlayson'; EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Joe, The RTTED applies to the following types of equipment: 1) Radio equipment 2) Terminal equipment. The Directive also contains

RE: RTTE and E-Mark applicable?

2002-08-22 Thread w w
Thank you all for helping. I believe I know the right approach now for devices that can straddle the fence. It will be interesting if there is more clarification about this before Oct 2002 like Mr. Woodgate mentioned. Neil, my scenario for the laptop needing E-Mark would then only apply to the

Re: RTTE and E-Mark applicable?

2002-08-21 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that w w kro...@yahoo.com wrote (in 2002082118211 9.9182.qm...@web14911.mail.yahoo.com) about 'RTTE and E-Mark applicable?' on Wed, 21 Aug 2002: Hello Group, 1) Assuming I have learned corrrectly from past discussions, devices that can fall under two EU Directives:

RE: RTTE and E-Mark applicable?

2002-08-21 Thread Kazimier_Gawrzyjal
To kro...@yahoo.com I think one premise of this list server is that folks participating identify themselves.somehow kro...@yahoo.com leaves a bit to be desired. Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell Computer Corp. -Original Message- From: w w [mailto:kro...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August

RE: RTTE EU notifications - fees

2002-07-02 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hi Amund, Notifications are free in the EU. Switzerland is not member of the EU , and in the guys there do not know exactly -or don not want to comply- with the rest of Europe. Both for the notification procedure, AND the associated fees, but also for the full implications of the RTTE directive.

RE: RTTE EU notifications - fees

2002-07-02 Thread richwoods
We receive the invoices too. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 4:31 AM To: Forum Safety-emc Subject: RTTE EU notifications - fees Hi all, We have

RE: RTTE EU notifications - fees

2002-07-02 Thread ari.honkala
I have heard authorities saying that some companies notify everything, including receivers, etc. while only the equipment (=transmitters) which does operate in non-harmonised frequency bands should be notified. I guess this fee is a way to make those notifying to consider if this is really

RE: RTTE Directive

2002-05-09 Thread Bill Ellingford
: 08 May 2002 17:06 To: jjuh...@fiberoptions.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: RTTE Directive In a message dated 5/8/2002, John Juhasz writes: it appears that it is not required to test the interface itself to 'telecom specs' such as those in the CTR21. Hi John: Your

Re: RTTE Directive

2002-05-08 Thread Theo Hildering
Hi John, You are right. The only requirements are for EMC and Safety (according to the RTTE directive). I remember there was only 1 (temporary) exception, important if the POTS equipment will be used in France. (drawn current 80 mA) Probably this requirement is gone now, but be careful.

Re: RTTE Directive

2002-05-08 Thread JRadomski
John, A few years ago, the European Commission has determined that there is no need for technical requirements against which to assess wired telecommunication products. Further work on the technical basis for regulation (TBRs) has been suspended and many CTRs (CTR 21 included) have been removed

Re: RTTE Directive

2002-05-08 Thread JPR3
In a message dated 5/8/2002, John Juhasz writes: it appears that it is not required to test the interface itself to 'telecom specs' such as those in the CTR21. Hi John: Your interpretation is correct. For wireline POTS products/interfaces, the only requirements that apply under the

RE: RTTE and video out

2002-03-13 Thread Paolo Gemma
This equipment isn't a radio transmitter and also is not a terminal so is outside the RTTE. Ciao Paolo At 12:12 3/13/02 +0100, Roger Magnuson wrote: Don't think so as the equipment is using the antenna cable. As VCRs are not radio terminals this can't be either. Roger Magnuson TGC

RE: RTTE and video out

2002-03-13 Thread Bill Ellingford
Difficult one to call but this device may be subject to RTTE as, depends on how it is connected and used. It will probably have a 75 Ohm output which will match a TV antenna impedance and thus be capable of transmitting (albeit a short distance). Can you get around this with warnings in the User

RE: RTTE and video out

2002-03-13 Thread Gert Gremmen
No, for a product to fall within the radio categorie of the RTTE directive the signal need to be airborn. Suitable warnings about the products use may help avoid misunderstandings regarding applicability. Tha phrase can be transmitted to in your mail is an example of how an ambiguous

RE: RTTE and video out

2002-03-13 Thread Roger Magnuson
Don't think so as the equipment is using the antenna cable. As VCRs are not radio terminals this can't be either. Roger Magnuson TGC Communication AB Sweden -Original Message- From: treg-appro...@world.std.com [mailto:treg-appro...@world.std.com]On Behalf Of Kim Boll Jensen Sent:

Re: RTTE

2002-03-12 Thread Kim Boll Jensen
.tele.dk] Sent: mercredi 6 mars 2002 11:44 To: richwo...@tycoint.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: RTTE Hi all Here are a list of all countries which at the moment have implemented the RTTE directive 100%: Belgium Denmark UK Finland France Greece Holland Italy Iceland

RE: RTTE In Czech Republic

2002-03-08 Thread richwoods
International -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:30 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE I found the english document at http://www.mdcr.cz/english/index14.htm Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original

Re: RTTE DoC Philosophy Question

2002-03-07 Thread Paolo Gemma
Both solution are valid. In the RTTE you can find an article said that at your choice you can demonstrate the conformity to the essential requirements 3.1b using the procedure of the EMC directive if applicable. I don't suggest this, for me, complicate way two declaration two

Re: RTTE DoC Philosophy Question

2002-03-06 Thread JRadomski
Kevin, Here is my interpretation: since the requirements of the EMC Directive are integral part of the essential requirements under the RTTE Directive, a single declaration to the RTTE Directive should be sufficient. But if the scope of the RTTE Directive regarding your product is not

RE: RTTE DoC Philosophy Question

2002-03-06 Thread richwoods
In my opinion, you must issue a DoC according to the procedures specified in the RTTE Directive and all of the essential requirements of Article 3 must be addressed. Article 10 allows you to follow the conformity assessment procedures of the EMC and LV Directives for the essential requirements

RE: RTTE DoC Philosophy Question

2002-03-06 Thread Sam Wismer
Hi Kevin, I am inclined to side with the regulatory authority. If you have a device that has an RTTE component in it, than that directive applies. Since the RTTE Directive requires compliance to the EMC and LV directives in order to declare conformity to it, it is not necessary to declare to

RE: RTTE DoC Philosophy Question

2002-03-06 Thread David_Sterner
Kevin, Council Directive 99/5/EC does call out directives 73/23/EEC and 89/336/EEC. Since some customers are not aware of the linkage, listing all three directives on the DofC avoids having to 'educate the customer'. Either way, standards applied will tell the story. David -Original

RE: RTTE DoC Philosophy Question

2002-03-06 Thread Clement Dave-LDC009
Kevin, The OJ for the RTTE Directive lists EMC (EN55022, EN55024, etc) and Safety (EN60950, EN60065, etc) standards as well as the Radio and Telecom standards (well there are no requirements for wireline telco listed). So, if you are declaring to the RTTE then you should be covered for EMC and

RE: RTTE

2002-03-06 Thread richwoods
Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Andre, Pierre-Marie [mailto:pierre-marie.an...@intel.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 6:13 AM To: 'Kim Boll Jensen'; richwo...@tycoint.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE I thought that Hungary and Czec

RE: RTTE

2002-03-06 Thread Andre, Pierre-Marie
...@post7.tele.dk] Sent: mercredi 6 mars 2002 11:44 To: richwo...@tycoint.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: RTTE Hi all Here are a list of all countries which at the moment have implemented the RTTE directive 100%: Belgium Denmark UK Finland France Greece Holland Italy Iceland Ireland

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