RE: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Jim Eichner

Thanks Bob.  I've also had it pointed out to me that the writing on the
sockets themselves is usually oriented ground-up, and some are even marked
TOP with ground-up orientation.  Seems to be a preference but not a
requirement.

Jim Eichner, P.Eng.
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From: Robert Johnson [mailto:john...@itesafety.com]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:13 PM
To: 'Jim Eichner'
Subject: RE: Nema 5-15R sockets


The NEC does not establish an orientation. Proposals to establish an
orientation have been proposed to the code panel and rejected. See 
http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000553.html
for a discussion.

You will find ground up preferred by some to provide protection as
mentioned by Art Michaels. However, you will find many direct plug in
products configured with ground down.

Dimensions for these and twist lock plugs are in NEMA standard WD6-88. 
Sorry, I don't have a copy.

Bob Johnson
ITE Safety
 
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A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket:

1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both sides
of
this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC.
Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall -
ground
pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground?  What is the
code
reference for this requirement, or is there none?

2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with
tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this
configuration?
I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't want to spend
hundreds
of $ for a one-time question.  We have no on-going need for these
standards!

Thanks in advance for your help,

Regards, 
Jim Eichner, P.Eng. 
Manager, Engineering Services 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 
Mobile Power
web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com 
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Re: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Robert Johnson


The NEC does not establish an orientation. Proposals to establish an
orientation have been proposed to the code panel and rejected. See 
http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000553.html
for a discussion.

You will find ground up preferred by some to provide protection as
mentioned by Art Michaels. However, you will find many direct plug in
products configured with ground down.

Dimensions for these and twist lock plugs are in NEMA standard WD6-88. 
Sorry, I don't have a copy.

Bob Johnson
ITE Safety
www.ITEsafety.com
 
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A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket:

1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both sides
of
this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC.
Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall -
ground
pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground?  What is the
code
reference for this requirement, or is there none?

2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with
tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this
configuration?
I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't want to spend
hundreds
of $ for a one-time question.  We have no on-going need for these
standards!

Thanks in advance for your help,

Regards, 
Jim Eichner, P.Eng. 
Manager, Engineering Services 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 
Mobile Power
web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com 
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Re: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Jacob Schanker

Jim:

I also could not find anything when I researched this a few years ago.

However, I took a look at a GFI duplex outlet in my home. The words on the
Test and Reset buttons are rightside up only when the ground pin is at the
bottom. This is also how all outlets in my home are installed.

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Subject: Nema 5-15R sockets


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| A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket:
|
| 1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both sides
of
| this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC.
| Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall - ground
| pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground?  What is the
code
| reference for this requirement, or is there none?
|
| 2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with
| tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this
configuration?
| I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't want to spend
hundreds
| of $ for a one-time question.  We have no on-going need for these
standards!
|
| Thanks in advance for your help,
|
| Regards,
| Jim Eichner, P.Eng.
| Manager, Engineering Services
| Xantrex Technology Inc.
| Mobile Power
| web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com
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Re: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Scott Lacey

Art and JIm,
One other thing to note: All of the flat (air conditioner type) heavy-
duty cords and extensions I've seen that fit this type socket seem to 
be designed for use with the ground pin at the bottom.

Also, although there is some shock hazard from the partially 
retracted Hot lead with the ground at bottom, when an outlet is 
installed with the ground pin up it is possible to have the ground lead 
disconnect first. If this happens with a product with high (but 
acceptable) leakage a potentially lethal situation exists.

Scott Lacey

On 19 Jul 2002 at 13:59, Art Michael wrote:

 
 Hello Jim,
 
 I don't believe the orientation of the U-ground pin is declared
 anyplace in the NEC. When I recently approached my local AHJ with this
 question he related that it is a matter of custom (locality
 dependent). In this area, central Connecticut, the custom is: 
 
 For commercial/industrial applications, U-Ground topmost
 For household wiring, U-Ground towards the bottom
 
 The rationale offered for the U-Ground topmost; if the plug partially
 separates from the outlet, anything falling into the opening between
 the plug and the outlet will first encounter the grounding pin. (seems
 to me that argument holds whether the use is commercial/industrial or
 household).
 
 Re dimensions of the outlet; send me your fax # and I'll fax you the
 dimensions.
 
 Regards, Art Michael
 
 
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  A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac
  socket:
  
  1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both
  sides of this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC
  or the NEC. Which is the correct way up when installing a socket
  on a wall - ground pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above
  the ground?  What is the code reference for this requirement, or is
  there none?
  
  2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions,
  with tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this
  configuration? I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't
  want to spend hundreds of $ for a one-time question.  We have no
  on-going need for these standards!
  
  Thanks in advance for your help,
  
  Regards, 
  Jim Eichner, P.Eng. 
  Manager, Engineering Services 
  Xantrex Technology Inc. 
  Mobile Power
  web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com 
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RE: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Serge Bousquet

Hi Jim,

While there are no references in the CEC and NEC with regards to
installation orientation of Nema 5-15R outlets (they may also be mounted
horizontally), it is a common practice to have the ground pin located in
such a manner as to allow the use of an molded-on angle plug on
extension cord sets and other devices incorporating an angle plug in
order to allow the flexible cord to hung towards the floor once inserted
into the 5-15R socket (in Canada Receptacle).  Have a look at an angle
plug on an extension cord set and you will discover your very own
preferred direction the socket/receptacle should be installed.  Most
refrigerators power supply cords also have molded-on angle plugs.

Regards,

Serge Bousquet
Safety Engineering Services Asia
Thailand


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To: 'EMC-PSTC - forum'
Subject: Nema 5-15R sockets



A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket:

1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both sides
of this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the
NEC. Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall -
ground pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground?  What
is the code reference for this requirement, or is there none?

2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with
tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this
configuration? I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't
want to spend hundreds of $ for a one-time question.  We have no
on-going need for these standards!

Thanks in advance for your help,

Regards, 
Jim Eichner, P.Eng. 
Manager, Engineering Services 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 
Mobile Power
web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com 
Any opinions expressed are accidental.  I have none.


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RE: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Peter Tarver

Jim -

There are no orientation requirements in the NEC or CEC,
except as required by product marking, such as for some GFCI
receptacles.

Dimension requirements are secret, donchaknow.


Regards,

Peter L. Tarver, PE
Product Safety Manager
Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services
San Jose, CA
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 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Eichner
 Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:40 AM

 A couple of questions about our standard North
 American 120Vac socket:

 1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the
 office here on both sides of
 this one, and I can't find a normative reference
 in the CEC or the NEC.
 Which is the correct way up when installing a
 socket on a wall - ground
 pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above
 the ground?  What is the code
 reference for this requirement, or is there none?

 2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for
 the dimensions, with
 tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground
 blades for this configuration?
 I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I
 don't want to spend hundreds
 of $ for a one-time question.  We have no
 on-going need for these standards!

 Thanks in advance for your help,

 Regards,
 Jim Eichner, P.Eng.



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RE: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread ooverton



Jim,

This also can be affected by the cordage that comes with an appliance.
We have a refrigerator with the ground pin at the bottom.  It has to be plugged
in that way because the plug is designed to lay flat against the wall.  To put
the plug in the other way would cause the cord to come out up vertically.  I
have some flat profile extension cords that also have the ground pin at the
bottom.  I imagine that this is cheaper construction as the smaller dimension is
at both the single pin side and the side where the cordage exits the plug.

From my feeble recollection, all of those that I remember had the ground pin at
the bottom.
This would tend to confirm the household being placed at the bottom.

I just looked at my office receptacles and they have the ground pins at the top.





Jim Eichner jim.eichner%xantrex@interlock.lexmark.com on 07/19/2002
03:38:39 PM

Please respond to Jim Eichner jim.eichner%xantrex@interlock.lexmark.com

To:   'Art Michael' amichael%connix@interlock.lexmark.com, 'EMC-PSTC -
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Subject:  RE: Nema 5-15R sockets




Thanks for the reply Art.  I was starting to convince myself that it was
indeed local custom, not code, that determined the orientation.

I heard another explanation that I find amusing and perhaps practical:  that
with the ground at the bottom it looks too much like a face and children
will be more tempted to play with it, so it should be mounted ground-up!

My fax number is below, and I really appreciate you providing whatever
dimensions you can.  Note that I am interested in the blade and ground pin
dimensions of the male plug, not the female socket, please.

Thanks,

Jim Eichner, P.Eng.
Manager, Engineering Services
Xantrex Technology Inc.
Mobile Power
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fax:  (604) 420-1591
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Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:59 AM
To: Jim Eichner
Cc: 'EMC-PSTC - forum'
Subject: Re: Nema 5-15R sockets


Hello Jim,

I don't believe the orientation of the U-ground pin is declared anyplace
in the NEC. When I recently approached my local AHJ with this question he
related that it is a matter of custom (locality dependent). In this area,
central Connecticut, the custom is:

For commercial/industrial applications, U-Ground topmost
For household wiring, U-Ground towards the bottom

The rationale offered for the U-Ground topmost; if the plug partially
separates from the outlet, anything falling into the opening between the
plug and the outlet will first encounter the grounding pin. (seems to me
that argument holds whether the use is commercial/industrial or
household).

Re dimensions of the outlet; send me your fax # and I'll fax you the
dimensions.

Regards, Art Michael


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On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Jim Eichner wrote:


 A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket:

 1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both sides
of
 this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC.
 Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall - ground
 pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground?  What is the
code
 reference for this requirement, or is there none?

 2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with
 tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this
configuration?
 I'm 

Re: suggestion for 100W audio amp

2002-07-19 Thread Ted Rook

There are hundreds of audio amplifier brands out there but most are designed 
for audio applications which means two things so far as your application is 
concerned:

the ratings are for continuous operation with speech and music which have a 
high average to peak signal voltage ratio

as a result, if you operate them continuously with sine wave signals you should 
de-rate by a factor between four and eight otherwise the amp will go into 
thermal protection mode or fail from overheating if the ventilation is not fan 
assisted.


secondly the bandwidth will be limited to exclude frequencies below about 20Hz 
and above about 20kHz

If you need a response down to DC or up to 50kHz an audio amp is not suitable. 
Even if it passes the signal it will not meet the full power rating which is 
typically 1kHz or 20 to 20K on better brands.

You don't mention output impedance or load impedance.

Many audio amps are unhappy below four Ohms unless you include 2 ohm rating in 
your search requirement.

My employer has twenty years experience with high power audio amps for 
installation and sound rental company touring applications.

Our models include 2 ohm and 1 ohm ratings, and a variety of different power 
levels and construction standards. There are light weight models with switching 
power supplies which are easy to move around and we have at the other extreme 
200 pound behemoths with linear toroidal power supplies.

You can research our range at www.crestaudio.com 

If you have specific questions please feel free to contact me off-line at 
t...@crestaudio.com or 201 475 4659.

Ted Rook
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Re: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Dan Kwok

Hi Jim,

I don't have the exact dimensions for the pins but I do have a couple of
these receptacles on my desk.

One is a Hubbell 8200 hospital grade receptacle. The other is a Pass 
Seymour 5242 spec grade unit. The markings on these units may provide some
clues of the preferred orientation.

When the PS receptacle is positioned so the tab marked top is on top, the
ground pin would be in the uppermost position. The Hubbell unit has no top
mark but all other markings on the face of the receptacle, including the
logo, color code (black/white) etc. are oriented to be read when the ground
pin is in the uppermost position.

There you have it. Ground pin on top.

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Electromagnetic Compatibility
Intetron Consulting,  Inc.
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From: Jim Eichner jim.eich...@xantrex.com
To: 'EMC-PSTC - forum' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: Nema 5-15R sockets



 A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket:

 1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both sides
of
 this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC.
 Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall - ground
 pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground?  What is the
code
 reference for this requirement, or is there none?

 2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with
 tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this
configuration?
 I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't want to spend
hundreds
 of $ for a one-time question.  We have no on-going need for these
standards!

 Thanks in advance for your help,

 Regards,
 Jim Eichner, P.Eng.
 Manager, Engineering Services
 Xantrex Technology Inc.
 Mobile Power
 web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com
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RE: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Jim Eichner

Thanks for the reply Art.  I was starting to convince myself that it was
indeed local custom, not code, that determined the orientation.  

I heard another explanation that I find amusing and perhaps practical:  that
with the ground at the bottom it looks too much like a face and children
will be more tempted to play with it, so it should be mounted ground-up!

My fax number is below, and I really appreciate you providing whatever
dimensions you can.  Note that I am interested in the blade and ground pin
dimensions of the male plug, not the female socket, please.

Thanks,

Jim Eichner, P.Eng.
Manager, Engineering Services
Xantrex Technology Inc.
Mobile Power
phone:  (604) 422-2546
fax:  (604) 420-1591
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From: Art Michael [mailto:amich...@connix.com]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:59 AM
To: Jim Eichner
Cc: 'EMC-PSTC - forum'
Subject: Re: Nema 5-15R sockets


Hello Jim,

I don't believe the orientation of the U-ground pin is declared anyplace
in the NEC. When I recently approached my local AHJ with this question he
related that it is a matter of custom (locality dependent). In this area,
central Connecticut, the custom is: 

For commercial/industrial applications, U-Ground topmost
For household wiring, U-Ground towards the bottom

The rationale offered for the U-Ground topmost; if the plug partially
separates from the outlet, anything falling into the opening between the
plug and the outlet will first encounter the grounding pin. (seems to me
that argument holds whether the use is commercial/industrial or
household).

Re dimensions of the outlet; send me your fax # and I'll fax you the
dimensions.

Regards, Art Michael


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On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Jim Eichner wrote:

 
 A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket:
 
 1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both sides
of
 this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC.
 Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall - ground
 pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground?  What is the
code
 reference for this requirement, or is there none?
 
 2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with
 tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this
configuration?
 I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't want to spend
hundreds
 of $ for a one-time question.  We have no on-going need for these
standards!
 
 Thanks in advance for your help,
 
 Regards, 
 Jim Eichner, P.Eng. 
 Manager, Engineering Services 
 Xantrex Technology Inc. 
 Mobile Power
 web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com 
 Any opinions expressed are accidental.  I have none.
 
 
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Re: suggestion for 100W audio amp

2002-07-19 Thread Kurt M. Marden

Hi Susan,
Actually the industrial line of amplifiers that Crown International
produced had the product line name of Tecron.  These are DC
coupled amps and were commonly used for MRI and other
similar applications.  I actually have several of the 7560 models
that I would like to sell. They are single channel and can produce
over 1000W. Please contact me off-line if you would like more
details.  Please reply to kurt...@netscape.net.

Thanks,
Kurt

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http://www.curtis-straus.comfax   (978) 486-0806



david_ster...@ademco.com wrote:

 http://www.crownaudio.com has audio amplifiers exceeding 100W.
 Ion-implanter manufacturers have been known to use Crown amplifiers as servo
 amps for ion deflection coils and plates.  Professional musicians attest to
 their stability.

 David

 -Original Message-
 From: shbe...@rockwellcollins.com [mailto:shbe...@rockwellcollins.com]
 Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:25 AM
 To: emc-p...@ieee.org
 Subject: suggestion for 100W audio amp

 Hello group,
 I was hoping that someone could suggest a vendor/model number for an  100
 W audio amplifier for use performing DO-160D, change 2, section 18 audio
 susceptibility testing.  I am currently using an old Solar 6552-1A, but
 sometimes it can't provide the pre-calibrated power (100W) into the EUT.
 It could also be used for 461E CS101 testing.

 Thanks in advance,
 Susan Beard

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RE: made in xxxx requirements?

2002-07-19 Thread Garry Hojan

Hi Brent,

The following link lists the relationship between U.S. Customs and the FDA
and the only FDA/U.S. Customs rule regarding labeling of country of origin.

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/manual/ireas.pdf

Hope it helps.
Best regards,
Garry Hojan
CEO/ President
Strategic Compliance Services (SCS)
a Division of NRL, L.L.C.
11402 E Mariposa Rd.
Stockton, CA 95215
Tel:209-465-0619
Fax:209-812-1931
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From:   owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brent DeWitt
Sent:   Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:24 PM
To: Garry Hojan; brent.dew...@us.datex-ohmeda.com;
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject:RE: made in  requirements?


Gary,

Sorry.  It's Medical Electrical Equipment.  Both the MDD and FDA have been
searched with no apparent need for this marking, but this may not be
correct.

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Subject: RE: made in  requirements?



Hello Brent,

Can you let us know the basic category of product? The marking requirements
for Country of Origin vary depending on the product and of course, the
country that the product is intended to be marketed in. There will be two
areas that you might have to address this issue, first in the labeling
requirements for an approval, and secondly in the pro forma invoice for
customs and excise.

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Garry Hojan
CEO/ President
Strategic Compliance Services (SCS)
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brent.dew...@us.datex-ohmeda.com
Sent:   Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:22 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject:made in  requirements?


This is not my usual area of interest, but a question came up about
regulations for country of origin marking, either in the US or EU.  Can
anyone point me in the direction of an answer?

Thanks all,

Brent DeWitt
Datex-Ohmeda
Louisville, CO


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Re: suggestion for 100W audio amp

2002-07-19 Thread Ken Javor

I have seen some responses for generic audio amps.  The Solar Amp you used
was built for a special purpose - to drive a signal into a 2 Ohm load.  With
any of these power amps, you should check it has the ability to drive a
clean signal at the necessary power level into whatever load impedance you
need.  I am on location, not near a copy of DO-160 and am not familiar with
that part so I can't say if the ability to drive a standard 4 or 8 Ohm load
is sufficient, or if you need a huskier device.

on 7/19/02 10:24 AM, shbe...@rockwellcollins.com at
shbe...@rockwellcollins.com wrote:

 
 Hello group,
 I was hoping that someone could suggest a vendor/model number for an  100
 W audio amplifier for use performing DO-160D, change 2, section 18 audio
 susceptibility testing.  I am currently using an old Solar 6552-1A, but
 sometimes it can't provide the pre-calibrated power (100W) into the EUT.
 It could also be used for 461E CS101 testing.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Susan Beard
 
 
 
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Re: Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Art Michael

Hello Jim,

I don't believe the orientation of the U-ground pin is declared anyplace
in the NEC. When I recently approached my local AHJ with this question he
related that it is a matter of custom (locality dependent). In this area,
central Connecticut, the custom is: 

For commercial/industrial applications, U-Ground topmost
For household wiring, U-Ground towards the bottom

The rationale offered for the U-Ground topmost; if the plug partially
separates from the outlet, anything falling into the opening between the
plug and the outlet will first encounter the grounding pin. (seems to me
that argument holds whether the use is commercial/industrial or
household).

Re dimensions of the outlet; send me your fax # and I'll fax you the
dimensions.

Regards, Art Michael


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On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Jim Eichner wrote:

 
 A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket:
 
 1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both sides of
 this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC.
 Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall - ground
 pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground?  What is the code
 reference for this requirement, or is there none?
 
 2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with
 tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this configuration?
 I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't want to spend hundreds
 of $ for a one-time question.  We have no on-going need for these standards!
 
 Thanks in advance for your help,
 
 Regards, 
 Jim Eichner, P.Eng. 
 Manager, Engineering Services 
 Xantrex Technology Inc. 
 Mobile Power
 web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com 
 Any opinions expressed are accidental.  I have none.
 
 
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Nema 5-15R sockets

2002-07-19 Thread Jim Eichner

A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket:

1. Orientation:  We have lots of people in the office here on both sides of
this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC.
Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall - ground
pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground?  What is the code
reference for this requirement, or is there none?

2. Dimensions:  Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with
tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this configuration?
I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't want to spend hundreds
of $ for a one-time question.  We have no on-going need for these standards!

Thanks in advance for your help,

Regards, 
Jim Eichner, P.Eng. 
Manager, Engineering Services 
Xantrex Technology Inc. 
Mobile Power
web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com 
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RE: suggestion for 100W audio amp

2002-07-19 Thread David_Sterner

http://www.crownaudio.com has audio amplifiers exceeding 100W.
Ion-implanter manufacturers have been known to use Crown amplifiers as servo
amps for ion deflection coils and plates.  Professional musicians attest to
their stability.

David

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Subject: suggestion for 100W audio amp



Hello group,
I was hoping that someone could suggest a vendor/model number for an  100
W audio amplifier for use performing DO-160D, change 2, section 18 audio
susceptibility testing.  I am currently using an old Solar 6552-1A, but
sometimes it can't provide the pre-calibrated power (100W) into the EUT.
It could also be used for 461E CS101 testing.

Thanks in advance,
Susan Beard



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Subharmonics.

2002-07-19 Thread Lfresearch
HI,

I'm testing a product that's switching at 50 kHz, modulated by a 1 kHz 
signal.

I'm getting a great deal of noise between 9 kHz to 13 kHz, I think is 
related. Specifically, it goes when I stop the modulation... Any ideas on 
ways to clean this up. Filtering seems to be effective, but HUGE!

Thanks,

Derek N. Walton
Owner,
L. F. Research EMC Design and Test Facility
12790 Route 76,
Poplar Grove,
IL 61065
www.lfresearch.com


Re: suggestion for 100W audio amp

2002-07-19 Thread Ravinder Ajmani


Hi Susan,
I am not familiar with DO-160D or 461E requirements.  However, I am using a
500W audio amp (POWERTRON Model 500A Power Amplifier) from Industrial Test
Equipment Co., Inc., Port Washington, NY 11050 (Phone: 516-883-1700), with
my Helmholtz coil system for frequencies up to 200 kHz.

Regards, Ravinder
PCB Development and Design Department
IBM Corporation
Email: ajm...@us.ibm.com
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Hello group,
I was hoping that someone could suggest a vendor/model number for an  100
W audio amplifier for use performing DO-160D, change 2, section 18 audio
susceptibility testing.  I am currently using an old Solar 6552-1A, but
sometimes it can't provide the pre-calibrated power (100W) into the EUT.
It could also be used for 461E CS101 testing.

Thanks in advance,
Susan Beard



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RE: Shock and Vibration

2002-07-19 Thread Peter Tarver

Bill -

Go to the IEC web site (http://www.iec.ch/index.html).  From
Search, select Information on a TC/SC under Technical
Work, then enter 48D when the page loads.  You'll see the
chair and secretary names and a link to a list of links to
member states that then link to contacts from whom you might
obtain a copy of the secretariat paper you need.

Also, if you go to the IEC web store and search by
committee, you'll find a host of standards created by TC48.


Regards,

Peter L. Tarver, PE
Product Safety Manager
Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services
San Jose, CA
peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Fleury, Bill
 Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:06 AM

 Hi All,

 Does anyone know what IEC 48D (Secretariat) 76
 would be? It is called out
 in the IEEE 1386:2001 standard for CMC cards as
 shock and vibration
 requirements. I assumed that IEC 48D was a
 standard but apparently that is
 not the case. SC 48D is a Subcommittee dealing
 with Mechanical Structures
 for Electronic Equipment; so I'm thinking that
 IEC 48D (Secretariat) 76 is
 the proceedings from one of their meetings but I
 have had no luck in
 locating any information about it.
 My Marketing gurus are asking me if we meet these
 requirements but I don't
 know what the requirements are; so its kind of
 hard to give them an answer.
 :-)

 Thanks for your help.
   Bill



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suggestion for 100W audio amp

2002-07-19 Thread shbeard

Hello group,
I was hoping that someone could suggest a vendor/model number for an  100
W audio amplifier for use performing DO-160D, change 2, section 18 audio
susceptibility testing.  I am currently using an old Solar 6552-1A, but
sometimes it can't provide the pre-calibrated power (100W) into the EUT.
It could also be used for 461E CS101 testing.

Thanks in advance,
Susan Beard



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RE: 60601-1 leakage current testers

2002-07-19 Thread Massey, Doug C.

Try BAPCO for test equipment - http://www.bapcoinfo.com/

Doug Massey
LXE, Inc.

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Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:48 AM
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Subject: 60601-1 leakage current testers



any recommendations for sources of hire (preferrably in UK/Ireland) and/or
purchase of test equipment suitable for performing the leakage current tests
specified in EN60601-1:1990 ?

thanks
Brian McAuliffe

MCA Compliance Solutions Ltd

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RE: Pacemakers

2002-07-19 Thread richwoods

Check the AAMI site for possible US standards. 
http://www.aami.org/

Devices are tested to FDA requirements by Georgia Tech Research Institute.
Contact Jimmy Woody for info.
http://www.gtri.gatech.edu/

A1:1995 of EN 50061:1988 covers immunity of implantable pacemakers.

PrEN 45502-2-1 is a new immunity standard for pacemakers and is being
prepared for national voting.

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International

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Subject: Pacemakers



Is anyone aware of any radiated immunity standards or test limits for
pacemakers (national, international, or industry)?

Bob Heller
3M Product Safety, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel:  651- 778-6336
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RE: Pacemakers

2002-07-19 Thread Robert F. Martin ITS/ES-Box

Industry (and international) standard as listed by AAMI (Association for the
Advancement of Medical Instrumentation):

IEC 60601-2-31:1994 -- Medical electrical equipment, Part 2: Particular
requirements for the safety of external cardiac pacemakers with internal
power source
Item: Final
Document Type: International Standard
Abstract: Specifies the particular safety requirements for external
pacemakers.

Format: Print
Publication Date: 01-Oct-1994   Availability: Actual
Order Notes: Available in the U.S. from ANSI. 
Category: Electromedical equipment
Subcategory: Therapy and surgery; Cardiovascular
Activity: STANDARDS
Keywords: medical equipment, pacemakers, safety, power source,
electromedical equipment

Staff Contact: ntong...@aami.org
Project Type: New document
Project Status: Completed
Project Notes: Harmonized; mandate BC/CLC/93-01 (MDD)

Document Status: Current
Ballot Committee: IEC/SC 62D, Electromedical Equipment
Committee Author: IEC/SC 62D/WG 06, Cardiac pacemakers
Tag: AAMI/PC, Pacemaker Committee
FDA Recognition Info: FDA-recognized
Extent Of Recognition: Complete standard for SAFETY ONLY
Link to FDA List: Choose Category Cardiovascular/Neurology

 
Bob Martin, P.E., N.C.E.

Sr. Technical Manager

Intertek Testing Services NA, Inc.

ETL SEMKO

70 Codman Hill Road

Boxborough, MA 01719

Tel (978) 263-2662 Fax (978)263-7086

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Is anyone aware of any radiated immunity standards or test limits for
pacemakers (national, international, or industry)?

Bob Heller
3M Product Safety, 76-1-01
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Pacemakers

2002-07-19 Thread reheller

Is anyone aware of any radiated immunity standards or test limits for
pacemakers (national, international, or industry)?

Bob Heller
3M Product Safety, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel:  651- 778-6336
Fax:  651-778-6252


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RE: made in xxxx requirements?

2002-07-19 Thread Andrew Carson

I am out of the office right now. But from memory the FDA country of origin 
requirments are covered right at the front of the regs. Something like section 
1020, if you are familiar with the laser section which starts around 1040. Then 
at the beginning it refrences you back to the section which covers labeling 
requirments for all equipment  that falls under the scope of the FDA .

-Original Message- 
From: Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com] 
Sent: Fri 19/07/2002 02:24 
To: Garry Hojan; brent.dew...@us.datex-ohmeda.com; 
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: made in  requirements?




Gary,

Sorry.  It's Medical Electrical Equipment.  Both the MDD and FDA have 
been
searched with no apparent need for this marking, but this may not be
correct.

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[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Garry Hojan
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:47 PM
To: brent.dew...@us.datex-ohmeda.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: made in  requirements?



Hello Brent,

Can you let us know the basic category of product? The marking 
requirements
for Country of Origin vary depending on the product and of course, the
country that the product is intended to be marketed in. There will be 
two
areas that you might have to address this issue, first in the labeling
requirements for an approval, and secondly in the pro forma invoice for
customs and excise.

Best regards,
Garry Hojan
CEO/ President
Strategic Compliance Services (SCS)
a Division of NRL, L.L.C.
11402 E Mariposa Rd.
Stockton, CA 95215
Tel:209-465-0619
Fax:209-812-1931
Mobile: 209-662-4322
Email:  gho...@regulatory-compliance.com
Web:www.regulatory-compliance.com



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Sent:   Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:22 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject:made in  requirements?


This is not my usual area of interest, but a question came up about
regulations for country of origin marking, either in the US or EU.  Can
anyone point me in the direction of an answer?

Thanks all,

Brent DeWitt
Datex-Ohmeda
Louisville, CO


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RE: made in xxxx requirements?

2002-07-19 Thread Brent DeWitt

Gary,

Sorry.  It's Medical Electrical Equipment.  Both the MDD and FDA have been
searched with no apparent need for this marking, but this may not be
correct.

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[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Garry Hojan
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:47 PM
To: brent.dew...@us.datex-ohmeda.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: made in  requirements?



Hello Brent,

Can you let us know the basic category of product? The marking requirements
for Country of Origin vary depending on the product and of course, the
country that the product is intended to be marketed in. There will be two
areas that you might have to address this issue, first in the labeling
requirements for an approval, and secondly in the pro forma invoice for
customs and excise.

Best regards,
Garry Hojan
CEO/ President
Strategic Compliance Services (SCS)
a Division of NRL, L.L.C.
11402 E Mariposa Rd.
Stockton, CA 95215
Tel:209-465-0619
Fax:209-812-1931
Mobile: 209-662-4322
Email:  gho...@regulatory-compliance.com
Web:www.regulatory-compliance.com



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Subject:made in  requirements?


This is not my usual area of interest, but a question came up about
regulations for country of origin marking, either in the US or EU.  Can
anyone point me in the direction of an answer?

Thanks all,

Brent DeWitt
Datex-Ohmeda
Louisville, CO


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RE: made in xxxx requirements?

2002-07-19 Thread Garry Hojan

Hello Brent,

Can you let us know the basic category of product? The marking requirements
for Country of Origin vary depending on the product and of course, the
country that the product is intended to be marketed in. There will be two
areas that you might have to address this issue, first in the labeling
requirements for an approval, and secondly in the pro forma invoice for
customs and excise.

Best regards,
Garry Hojan
CEO/ President
Strategic Compliance Services (SCS)
a Division of NRL, L.L.C.
11402 E Mariposa Rd.
Stockton, CA 95215
Tel:209-465-0619
Fax:209-812-1931
Mobile: 209-662-4322
Email:  gho...@regulatory-compliance.com
Web:www.regulatory-compliance.com



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This is not my usual area of interest, but a question came up about
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anyone point me in the direction of an answer?

Thanks all,

Brent DeWitt
Datex-Ohmeda
Louisville, CO


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RE: made in xxxx requirements?

2002-07-19 Thread Sem, Robert K

Try this link for a start

http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/imp-exp2/import/marking.htm

Robert Sem
Sr. Product Regulations Engineer
Intel Corporation
5200 NE Elam Young Pkwy. MS JF#-410
Hillsboro, OR 97124 U.S.
Phone (503) 264-4430
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robert.k@intel.com



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This is not my usual area of interest, but a question came up about
regulations for country of origin marking, either in the US or EU.  Can
anyone point me in the direction of an answer?

Thanks all,

Brent DeWitt
Datex-Ohmeda
Louisville, CO


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made in xxxx requirements?

2002-07-19 Thread brent . dewitt

This is not my usual area of interest, but a question came up about
regulations for country of origin marking, either in the US or EU.  Can
anyone point me in the direction of an answer?

Thanks all,

Brent DeWitt
Datex-Ohmeda
Louisville, CO


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