RE: RTCA document vs. IEC 60601-1-02

2002-10-28 Thread M . Bushnell
Late reply: I have not looked at DO-199, but I noticed that RTCA also has the following document: DO-233 Issued: 08/20/1996 Description: This document addresses the potential interference to installed aircraft electrical and electronic systems from Portable Electronic Devices (PEDs) carried

Re: Layered Reinforced Insulation

2002-10-28 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that richwo...@tycoint.com wrote (in 846BF526A205F8 4BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A046758DF@flbocexu05) about 'Layered Reinforced Insulation' on Mon, 28 Oct 2002: Someone mentioned that the two insulations must be the same material in order for the system to be classified as reinforced.

Re: Do I need to Test for Harmonics?

2002-10-28 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Scott Douglas dougl...@naradnetworks.com wrote (in 5.0.2.1.2.20021022080058.00a69...@pop.business.earthlink.net ) about 'Do I need to Test for Harmonics?' on Tue, 22 Oct 2002: One argument says that we are not connected to the public low-voltage distribution

RE: Do I need to Test for Harmonics?

2002-10-28 Thread Wagner, John P (John)
I would agree with your argument that you need not comply because you are not connected to the public low voltage supply. Furthermore, the standards you cite are written for 230V, 50Hz distribution, so your voltage is not even within the scope of the standard. John P. Wagner Regulatory

RE: Do I need to Test for Harmonics?

2002-10-28 Thread richwoods
Scott, you do not have to test for power line harmonics or flicker if 1) your product is not mains powered, and 2) you have no intention of selling it along with a particular power source, and 3) you do not specify that it be used with a particular power source. If the choice of power source is

RE: China CCC Certification

2002-10-28 Thread Joshua Wiseman
Rich, This is correct. As I understand the standard is identical to EN 61000-3-2. Regards, Josh Josh Wiseman EMC/Product Safety -Original Message- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:59 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org

RE: English vs. American - very off topic, but in line with current thread Re: Definition ?

2002-10-28 Thread John Shinn
You are going to have to forgive Bruce. He is originally from South Africa, transplanted first to western Canada, and now to Eastern Canada. John -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Jason Greenwood Sent:

RE: Layered Reinforced Insulation

2002-10-28 Thread richwoods
OK, I'll get more specific. I have an external interconnecting cable that contains hazardous voltages. Because of the application, in the USA I must use UL Listed CL3P cable which is rated for use in risers and air handling spaces (smoke requirements of the National Electrical Code). The

Re: China CCC Certification

2002-10-28 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that richwo...@tycoint.com wrote (in 846BF526A205F8 4BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A046758D9@flbocexu05) about 'China CCC Certification' on Mon, 28 Oct 2002: Harmonics testing has been added as part of the conversion from CCIB and CCEE to the new CCC mark. IEC 61000-3-2 (Limits for Harmonic

Re: LED's and laser safety?

2002-10-28 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Richard Hughes rehug...@nortelnetworks.com wrote (in 6b78f2524cd7d5118a0402204840075b02795...@zhard0jc.europe.nort el.com) about 'LED's and laser safety?' on Mon, 28 Oct 2002: If I said that the LVD was 'new approach' then you or someone else would feel the

RE: ENGLISH, STILL OFF TOPIC!

2002-10-28 Thread Chris Chileshe
Ted, I have just been to the site and agree it is excellent. I cannot believe the many differences! It is almost a wonder we communicate at all!! Once or twice I went That's why he didn't understand or So that's what she meant. Of course a lot of it can be deduced from context, but there are

RE: Layered Reinforced Insulation

2002-10-28 Thread FastWave
I certainly agree that reinforced can be a solid insulation - hence the 0.4. mm thickness requirement. Sorry if my memo gave you a different impression. Bill Bisenius bi...@productsafet.com -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org

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2002-10-28 Thread Raymond . Garner
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RE: Value of Using Non-NRTL Engineering Firms?

2002-10-28 Thread Peter L. Tarver
Chris - On the basis of workplace safety, listing by a nonNRTL is largely useless. On the other hand, if the persons providing the listing are a competent engineering firm, using licensed engineers, there may be some credibility to the listing (for instance, the NEC allows waivers of certain

RE: LED's and laser safety?

2002-10-28 Thread Richard Hughes
John, If I said that the LVD was 'new approach' then you or someone else would feel the necessity to correct me. Instead I am being castigated for being accurate but hair-splitting. So be it. Richard Hughes -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]

RE: 60601-1-2

2002-10-28 Thread Brodie Pedersen
Hello Bob, The document has not been published in the OJ yet but it has been recognized by the FDA for use where the 1983 version was not recognized for use in the US. Brodie Pedersen Nonin Medical Inc. -Original Message- From: VĂ©ronique Beauvois [mailto:v.beauv...@ulg.ac.be] Sent:

RE: Compliance Engineering Status Report

2002-10-28 Thread richwoods
Oops! I need more coffee. Please disregard and delete. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:16 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: Compliance Engineering Status Report

Compliance Engineering Status Report

2002-10-28 Thread richwoods
Test sched master.xls deliverables.doc Test sched master.xls Description: application/excel deliverables.doc Description: MS-Word document

China CCC Certification

2002-10-28 Thread richwoods
I received the following information from a US organization. Harmonics testing has been added as part of the conversion from CCIB and CCEE to the new CCC mark. IEC 61000-3-2 (Limits for Harmonic Current Emissions) is similar in content to GB 17625.1. Is this true? Richard Woods Sensormatic

Re: LED's and laser safety?

2002-10-28 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Richard Hughes rehug...@nortelnetworks.com wrote (in 6b78f2524cd7d5118a0402204840075b02795...@zhard0jc.europe.nort el.com) about 'LED's and laser safety?' on Mon, 28 Oct 2002: A product carries a CE marking to show that it complies with the national

RE: LED's and laser safety?

2002-10-28 Thread Richard Hughes
Warren, A product carries a CE marking to show that it complies with the national implementations of all applicable 'new approach' EU Directives (and the LVD, which isn't 'new approach'). Exactly which EU Directive(s) do you think apply to LEDs as components? The LVD certainly does not apply

Do I need to Test for Harmonics?

2002-10-28 Thread Scott Douglas
Fellow Listees: There were some recent threads regarding what testing is required for a product that obtains power from a supply external to the product and maybe not supplied by the manufacturer. I think the questions were related to EFT or surge. I have a similar situation. Our products are