[PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread Pawson, James
We've just received EN 61000-6-3:2007 + A1:2011 which has added the ability to test radiated emissions in either an OATS, Fully Anechoic Room (FAR) or TEM waveguide. What puzzled me is the limits for the FAR @ 3m: 30MHz ~ 230MHz: 42 to 35dBuV decreasing linearly with the log of the

Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread Charlie Blackham
James It is to account for the lack of ground plane with its potential +6dB effect due to reflection found during height scanning The FCC have already considered this in KDB558074 when allowing conducted spurious emissions measurements to be performed in lieu of radiated ones for some

Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message a60ff8a65589d24a98d82fafc6f0ac56062eb8c...@euroexcc1.sats.corp, dated Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Pawson, James james.paw...@echostar.com writes: These limits are lower than those for an OATS at 3m. Does anyone know why the limits are lower and of a different characteristic? I'm guessing

Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
Certainly radio frequency emissions measurement is far from an exact science, but that's probably just fine for what it is intended to do. Pass at one lab, fail at another seems to be a common theme, so there must be many variables at play. I've read that, depending on antenna size, 3 metre

Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message OFDEF1DD24.6EF50883-ON88257A99.005ECCE0-88257A99.005FC1FD@US.Schneider-E lectric.com, dated Tue, 16 Oct 2012, ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com writes: I've read that, depending on antenna size, 3 metre distance is within what is called the near field and if so, then I assume

Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread Ravinder . Ajmani
Several years ago I was using a 3m FAR for pre-compliance measurements. They were using a giant BiLog antenna for the measurements. A constant factor was added to the measured values to arrive at the OATS value. The reason I stopped using their facility was because the data didn't correlate

Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message of1052898f.98b070cf-on88257a99.006668eb-88257a99.0066f...@hgst.com, dated Tue, 16 Oct 2012, ravinder.ajm...@hgst.com writes: Several years ago I was using a 3m FAR for pre-compliance measurements. They were using a giant BiLog antenna for the measurements. A constant factor was

Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread John Allen
Ravinder Unfortunate, but predictable (and I have come across smaller ones!) - very few small test labs can afford a properly-built and fitted out 10m chamber. As you realised, the dodgy area is the lower end of the frequency spectrum where you are more likely to be in the near field than

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2012-10-16 Thread Richard Nute
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Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread Cortland Richmond
Around 1984 we were using a too-low 3 semi-anechoic chamber at Wang Labs to audit out outgoing shipments. Not far away, Glenn Dash was arguing that this was not nearly accurate enough. We transported a specimen equipment to Dash, Strauss and Goodhue in Boxboro, and had his people measure it,

Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
There are two reasons I am aware of. The lack of a 6 dB reflection (which is slightly less due to way length), requires a 5 dB lower limit (thus the 35 instead of 40 at 230 MHz). Why then is this 35 not used at 30 MHz? The fact that a FAR/OATS has a problem in achieving an optimal summation of