Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread Gert Gremmen
'Misuse' is the negative of 'use', or as Mike correctly made a suggestion: "We emphasized how to use our equipment correctly, and what the scope of its applications were." The better you describe the positive, the easier it is to define the negative. I have seen  many operating manuals

Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread David Nyffenegger
Brian, Sounds like a NRTL engineer is asking for possible misuses whether or not they may result in a hazard. And perhaps this is just to ensure that misuses have been considered and can be included in the listing report, to satisfy the internal report reviewers, or their certifying auditors,

Re: [PSES] Wearables and UL 62368 vs UL 964 Electrically Heated Bedding

2022-10-05 Thread Richard Nute
Hi John: I assume the power is distributed more-or-less evenly throughout the garment. See: https://learn.adafruit.com/experimenting-with-conductive-heater-fabric/what-is-it (Be sure to click on the blue “placement” near the bottom of the page and the subsequent pages.)

Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread Richard Nute
Misuse is using a product for a use which is not a normal use. An example is using a chair (which is for sitting) as a stool. Or, using a screwdriver for prying. Or using a hammer for breaking concrete. Each of these misuses can lead to injury. Identifying misuse for a TV, a laptop,

Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread John Woodgate
It's not being replaced, it has been replaced for more than 40 years, in the field of safety of electrical goods. Manufacturers have an 'unassignable responsibility' to offer only safe products. But, as with many other things these days, the matter has been enlarged by relentless logic to

Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread Douglas E Powell
You might put in a few obvious answers, like do not connect to power of the incorrect voltage, not for household use, or some such thing. I tend to agree with you, I've had clients get a little crazy dreaming up "what if" scenarios, like what if a forklift crashes into? or a terrorist fires a 50

Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread Charlie Blackham
I’m not a lawyer, or from the USA, but in Europe the term “misuse” has been discussed in various REDCA (Radio Equipment Directive Compliance Association) Meetings with Notified Bodies and The EU Commission, and their view is that there’s no such thing as “misuse”, it’s just “use”. Drawing up a

Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Brian -- Good to hear from you! Re your question, it is not clear who the "they" is who is requesting a list of misuses. >From my working experience, we (on advice of Legal) usually did not try to >compile a list of misuses in the operating manual, on the theory that if a >creative user

[PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread Brian Kunde
My company manufactures Laboratory Equipment such as analyzers and determinators. They are highly specialized equipment, yet have an infinite range of uses. Even though all known residual risks are documented in the Safety Warning section of the manual, they will commonly request a list of

Re: [PSES] Wearables and UL 62368 vs UL 964 Electrically Heated Bedding

2022-10-05 Thread Charlie Blackham
John The device might use a battery, but I would have thought that IEC 60335-1 and IEC 60335-2-17 would be better standards to apply considering their scope: IEC 60335-2-17:2012+A1:2015+A2:2019 deals with the safety of electric blankets, pads, clothing and other flexible appliances that heat

[PSES] Wearables and UL 62368 vs UL 964 Electrically Heated Bedding

2022-10-05 Thread John Allen
Hi, I hope everyone is well and happy . I’m hoping I can get some input on my thinking for a heated garment powered by a battery pack. 1. The heater is insulated. 2. The fabric it is in contact with is combustible. 3. The circuit is PS2 – 16W 4. I read UL 62368 Clause 6.4.5.2 as