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Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:55 AM
To: lfresea...@aol.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
I guess now its my turn to put in my two cents. The major reason that you are
having a hard time finding units that pass is that all
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
In a message dated 3/28/03 10:05:02 AM Central Standard Time,
rsto...@lucent.com writes:
what do you do to the company that passes site A
oats,then fails site B...go to site C?...best 2 out of 3?
HI
In a message dated 3/27/2003 9:34:03 AM Central Standard Time,
peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com writes:
While I can't speak for all OEM pc manufacturers or intend
to contradict your personal experience
My personal experience has only had me visit 2 OEM's Both were exceptional.
You don't
John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk 03/28/03 04:11pm
If products that exceed a limit by 20 dB don't cause an unacceptable
increased level of complaints, why retain the stringent limit: cui bono?
Just a thought about this argument about complaints. Having worked in the EMC
business for
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
There has been an enormous amount of feedback
from Dereks email this week. Including mine.
I am beginning to get the notion
this is all brand new to most of the people here..
it isn't..going on for years...
were
In a message dated 3/28/03 10:05:02 AM Central Standard Time,
rsto...@lucent.com writes:
what do you do to the company that passes site A
oats,then fails site B...go to site C?...best 2 out of 3?
HI Richard..
As an assessor, we have been taking great steps to get this problem down to
their products passed with adequate margin.
I will get off my soap box now.
Mark J. Kirincic
mkirin...@houston.rr.com
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From: lfresea...@aol.com
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: OK, what's going on?
Hi all,
This e-mail has
Earl -
While I can't speak for all OEM pc manufacturers or intend
to contradict your personal experience, without question,
Sanmina-SCI's Calgary and San Jose facilities DO NOT hedge
on EMC or in any other compliance discipline. We have an
excellent 10 m indoor semianechoic chamber in San Jose,
Doug
Is the CuBe catalog available on the web as I would like to have a look at
it?
Thanks
John Allen
From: Doug Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com]
Sent: 28 March 2003 04:51
To: George Stults
Cc: Cortland Richmond; lfresea...@aol.com; ieee pstc list
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
Hi George
I read in !emc-pstc that Luke Turnbull luke.turnb...@trw.com wrote (in
se87afb4.056@gwisegwc) about 'OK, what's going on?' on Mon, 31 Mar
2003:
Half a year later I finally
worked out that my cheap (CE marked) carphone charger was causing the
problem. I was going to complain to trading standards
; 'Mark
mailto:mkirin...@houston.rr.com Kirincic' ; Stone, Richard A (Richard)
mailto:rsto...@lucent.com ; lfresea...@aol.com ;
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
I have to add my 2 cents worth! This is getting out of hand
going on?
I read in !emc-pstc that Mark Kirincic mkirin...@houston.rr.com wrote
(in 098201c2f521$284e4820$6501a8c0@kristina2005) about 'OK, what's
going on?' on Fri, 28 Mar 2003:
By the way I do not work for a test house,
I didn't imply that you did.
I am just trying to clean up
Yes, wouldn't it be good. IMHO, it's slightly less feasible than a
combined 3D photocopier and perpetual motion machine.
Someday, they'll be invented too. Although I don't want to be the guy that
has to test the perpetual motion machine :-)
Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division
I read in !emc-pstc that Pryor McGinnis c...@prodigy.net wrote (in
20030328180822.63646.qm...@web80210.mail.yahoo.com) about 'OK, what's
going on?' on Fri, 28 Mar 2003:
Do you not understand that the original unit submitted for EMC
Testing may have passed with flying colors, only
I read in !emc-pstc that Chris Maxwell chris.maxw...@nettest.com wrote
(in 83d652574e7af740873674f9fc12dbaaf7e...@utexh1w2.gnnettest.com)
about 'OK, what's going on?' on Fri, 28 Mar 2003:
However, as engineers, we could find a way to make the spot checks cheaper
and
more repeatable. Sort
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Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
What would NARTE say about certified EMC engineers and technicians signing
off on equipment that does not make the grade? It would be great if everyone
and every company handled the issue of EMC ethically. But since the world does
not always work
enforcement or
does this serve only the EMC community?
Dave Cuthbert
Micron Technology
From: Mark Kirincic [ mailto:mkirin...@houston.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:53 PM
To: Stone, Richard A (Richard); lfresea...@aol.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: OK, what's going
Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
What would NARTE say about certified EMC engineers and technicians signing off
on equipment that does not make the grade? It would be great if everyone and
every company handled the issue of EMC ethically. But since the world does not
always work this way...I
I read in !emc-pstc that Mark Kirincic mkirin...@houston.rr.com wrote
(in 098201c2f521$284e4820$6501a8c0@kristina2005) about 'OK, what's
going on?' on Fri, 28 Mar 2003:
By the way I do not work for a test house,
I didn't imply that you did.
I am just trying to clean up and
legitimize
I read in !emc-pstc that Charles Grasso cgrassospri...@earthlink.net
wrote (in anemkfollplfimkkheookejicgaa.cgrassospri...@earthlink.net)
about 'OK, what's going on?' on Fri, 28 Mar 2003:
John - Agreed.
But I would pose the question. If we can demonstrate that products are on
the market place
?
Dave Cuthbert
Micron Technology
From: Mark Kirincic [mailto:mkirin...@houston.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:53 PM
To: Stone, Richard A (Richard); lfresea...@aol.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
To further clarify my point, all the major
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[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:02 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
I read in !emc-pstc that Mark Kirincic mkirin...@houston.rr.com wrote
(in 091001c2f4dd$85c69910
mkirin...@houston.rr.com
From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
I read in !emc-pstc that Mark Kirincic mkirin...@houston.rr.com wrote
(in 091001c2f4dd$85c69910$6501a8c0@kristina2005) about
for the worse...never better,
Richard
From: George Stults [mailto:george.stu...@watchguard.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:39 PM
To: Cortland Richmond; lfresea...@aol.com; ieee pstc list
Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
I suppose that vibration may be good to a point, but I offer the
following
I read in !emc-pstc that Mark Kirincic mkirin...@houston.rr.com wrote
(in 091001c2f4dd$85c69910$6501a8c0@kristina2005) about 'OK, what's
going on?' on Thu, 27 Mar 2003:
In my opinion, what really needs to be done is full accountability for failed
products that the company by having the company
:34 AM
Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
Mark mentioned reports,
a paper trail...or is it?
Vendors doing the EMC/EMI ?,
who might a vendor be for say IBM or Dell?
would think the mfr'r would have an associate
there during testing like most of us do.
Seems it would be easy to look at the report
it
George Stults
WatchGuard Technologies Inc.
-Original Message-
From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:72146@compuserve.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:10 AM
To: lfresea...@aol.com; ieee pstc list
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
Derek wrote:
the EUT should have
[mailto:72146@compuserve.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:10 AM
To: lfresea...@aol.com; ieee pstc list
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
Derek wrote:
the EUT should have been exposed to simulated shipping and
installation
by a user...
FWIW, in the 1980's I worked in an audit lab
Derek wrote:
the EUT should have been exposed to simulated shipping and installation
by a user...
FWIW, in the 1980's I worked in an audit lab where we tested samples of
shipped equipment for FCC, vibration, heat, humidity, temperature,
TEMPEST... it was not uncommon for equipment to do
In a message dated 3/27/2003 8:34:58 AM Central Standard Time,
rsto...@lucent.com writes:
Mark mentioned reports,
a paper trail...or is it?
Vendors doing the EMC/EMI ?,
who might a vendor be for say IBM or Dell?
would think the mfr'r would have an associate
there during testing like most of
I read in !emc-pstc that Adrian F Davies davies...@virgin.net wrote
(in dbegllgahbjcdoanbfjbgegccdaa.davies...@virgin.net) about 'OK,
what's going on?' on Thu, 27 Mar 2003:
this is not quite the case in the UK.
EMC issues are policed by local Trading Standards Officers.
There have been several
I read in !emc-pstc that Garnier, David S (MED)
david.garn...@med.ge.com wrote (in D4DBD8568F05D511A1C20002A55C008CA2
d...@uswaumsx03medge.med.ge.com) about 'OK, what's going on?' on Wed,
26 Mar 2003:
I discovered the our product's
worst conducted emissions occured when our product was off
Hi all,
This e-mail has been prompted because of a number of things that have all come
together. This may take a little reading, but please stick with it.
Last note... this is not intended to pick on any individuals, or organization,
but I do want to stir the pot.
I operate an engineering lab,
From: Doug Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:38 AM
To: Grasso, Charles
Cc: 'lfresea...@aol.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
Hi All,
Just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in. The same thing may be
happening in Mil-spec testing
Good morning all,
this is not quite the case in the UK.
EMC issues are policed by local Trading Standards Officers.
There have been several successful prosecutions in the South Wales area.
Experience has shown that a CE marked CPU unit will be close to the limit.
However, plug another CE
'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
Hi Derek - Go Reds!!
This is not a surprise to me. I have railed at much length a couple
of years ago as to the latest FCC changes to the emissions
qualification. I am sure you are familiar with it so I won't
belabour the point
,
From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:05 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: OK, what's going on?
Hi all,
This e-mail has been prompted because of a number of things that have all come
together. This may take a little reading, but please stick
In a message dated 3/25/2003 4:11:56 PM Central Standard Time,
drcuthb...@micron.com writes:
most interesting data. I have two questions: What software are you exercising
the PC's with and is the spread spectrum enabled? I assume you are using an
RBW of 120 kHz and using Quasi-peak detection.
Options Div.
Bohemia, NY
From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:05 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: OK, what's going on?
Hi all,
This e-mail has been prompted because of a number of things that have all come
together. This may take a little
Hi Earl and the gang,
I may be atypical, but I have a shortwave radio in the same room (on
the same desk with much of it) with 4 computers, a unix server, a
print server, fax machine, large copy machine, and several printers,
the hub equipment of a good sized ethernet network (for 8
...@lucent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:44 AM
To: 'Morse, Earl (E.A.)'; 'Grasso, Charles'; 'lfresea...@aol.com';
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
thats true Earl,
good point on company B, not caring but selling
with a higher profit, less EMC..company A
busting butt
Hi Ken and the group,
Thanks for the information. The common mode current was in the 100 MHz
region and WAY over what would be enough to exceed just about any
limits of radiation, and this was on the power cord (and therefore any
other leads to some extent).
Doug
Ken Javor wrote:
I have
, Earl (E.A.) [mailto:emo...@ford.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:10 AM
To: 'Grasso, Charles'; 'lfresea...@aol.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
Amen!
I had 15 years of computer EMC when I left the PC sector this year. This was
a never ending source
-
From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:05 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: OK, what's going on?
Hi all,
This e-mail has been prompted because of a number of things that
have all come together. This may take a little reading
mailto:chasgra...@ieee.org
-Original Message-
From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:05 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: OK, what's going on?
Hi all,
This e-mail has been prompted because
In a message dated 3/25/2003 8:49:04 PM Central Standard Time,
cgrassospri...@earthlink.net writes:
So the next obvious question is: Are the majority of
the PC failures clones??
So far, from what I've seen... no.
Derek.
What no one checks -- no one does. Got an OLD PC? One certified under the
old rules, with an ID number? Try THAT.
A local computer store (of a national chain) is selling computer chassis'
with plastic sides. No complaints, no problems.
It appears no one is CHECKING.
Cortland
This
label??
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ken Javor
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:19 PM
To: lfresea...@aol.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: OK, what's going on?
All,
I would suggest a little literature survey
So the next obvious question is: Are the majority of
the PC failures clones??
From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:32 PM
To: cgrassospri...@earthlink.net; ken.ja...@emccompliance.com;
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: OK, what's going
In a message dated 3/25/2003 8:28:40 PM Central Standard Time,
cgrassospri...@earthlink.net writes:
Question to Derek: Do the PCs have the infamous
assembled from FCC compliant components
label??
The clones do, the others do not.
Little more news.. 2 laptops, an older Micron, 350 MHz,
In a message dated 3/25/2003 7:27:32 PM Central Standard Time,
ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes:
What bands were the outages in?
Sorry Ken... got to stop you here.
When I assess, I do so to the standard. The FCC make the rules, we either
comply or we don't. No need to second guess the
; mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com;
Email Alternate: chasgra...@ieee.org
From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:05 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: OK, what's going on?
Hi all,
This e-mail has been prompted because of a number of things
frequencies are.
Dave Cuthbert
Micron Technology
From: Stone, Richard A (Richard) [mailto:rsto...@lucent.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:30 PM
To: 'lfresea...@aol.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: OK, what's going on?
Derek,
doesnt say whether you took the
uncompliant
I read in !emc-pstc that lfresea...@aol.com wrote (in 70.2c4379f4.2bb21
0...@aol.com) about 'OK, what's going on?' on Tue, 25 Mar 2003:
I have now spent about 60 man-hours looking for a PC that passes FCC
Class B
emissions. Something that I should just be able to go to the store and
get
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