Re: My departure
I read in !emc-pstc that John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote (in dgvsoicf5c97e...@jmwa.demon.co.uk) about 'My departure', on Thu, 15 Nov 2001: As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I am grateful for all the messages of support I received, both here and by e-mail. I am going to a standards meeting all next week, so I shall almost certainly be out of communication anyway, irrespective of whether, on further consideration, I change my decision. Meanwhile, Bill Shakespeare put my thoughts into the mouth of Marcus Cassius, during his spat with Brutus before the Battle of Phillipi: 'Checked like a bondman: all his faults observed Set in a notebook, learned and conn'd by rote To cast into my teeth.' I have previously posted the following to this group: QUOTE However, I place on record that I NEVER intend any offence, especially on this mail list, whatever you may infer from what I write. UNQUOTE It is strange, indeed, that one can post wildly inaccurate, even dangerous, information here with impunity, but you are not allowed to post 'Stuff and nonsense!' or words to that effect. Incidentally, did Bill invent, in the rhetoric of Cassius and Mark Antony, the concept of 'spin-doctoring'? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: My departure
Okay John, I may be a little late in my response, but I am just getting back in from a busy schedule and read your last posting with alarm. I hope this isn't the start of something new. I don't know the reasons for your departure (correction - intended departure), but I for one really enjoy your postings and do not see that there is anything in them that could justify censorship (if this is what is going on). I hope that you reconsider and rejoin the forum. I hope that the administrators, whom are doing an excellent job I must say, take note of the overwhelming response from the membership in your favor and tone down whatever their displeasure in you is and allow you to rejoin the forum unimpeded. As far as I am concerned, one member down is one member too many! Regards to all.. Bandele Sr. Compliance Engineer Jetstream Communications, Inc. badep...@jetstream.com -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: My departure
Well, I must say that I agree with the spirit of what Chris is saying, if not actually with his exact words! I believe that a give and take is healthy; a difference of opinion should not be anathema to this forum. However, we need to remain polite (not rude) and be somewhat sensitive to the various cultural diversities of the members. A digital slap may be fine among a group of friends; it is not appropriate in an international forum where the majority do not know each other. [And who said that engineering is an exact science?-- It all depends how the standard test procedure was written!] taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: Chris Maxwell Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:50 AM To: k.macl...@aprel.com; chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure Careful... We're playing with fire here. I don't think the list should be a place for he said---she said...posturing contests... I (for one) don't want a justification from the list admins. I wonder why, and I perfectly understand Aprel's curiosity; but I don't want to have it splattered all over the forum. I'm also not going to grovel to get someone back in the group. There is no one person in this world so important that the world will stop for them. If there is any peacemaking to be done here, I suggest that John and the admin in question work it out off-line. I suggest that if a third party get involved, that it also be off-line. (I suggest Tania. She'll straighten them out :-)) To me, the best result would be that we all hear nothing more while this gets worked out; then John jumps back into the fray with us. After all, I think that most of his posts are helpful (I must admit that the volley regarding the definitions of tetanus, lock jaw, tetanization... were a drag and probably best left off line) Come on guys (and gals)engineering is fun. People learn by playing. Occasionally people commit fouls when they're playing. The game doesn't stop. Warning, the next line is short and to the point, don't read it if you don't want to! (or should that be a Caution??? :-)er...ah...whatever Get your craniums out of your rectums (both words were spelled and used correctly) and come back out and play. After all, when you stop learning new tricks, you become an old dog. Chris -Original Message- From: k.macl...@aprel.com [SMTP:k.macl...@aprel.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:40 AM To: chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure I agree wholeheartedly with Chris. And I must add that whatever this representation is, it sounds very Draconian to me. Unless John is secretly an Al-Quaeda operative, I cannot see any reason to force him off this group. Could we request a justification from the moderators, please. Regards to all, Kate Kathy M. MacLean President, APREL Laboratories -EMC-RF Safety-Antenna Design/Test-SAR/MPE-SAR/Near-Field Tools-Acoustics-Wireless- 51 Spectrum Way, Nepean, Ontario K2R 1E6 (613) 820-2730 fax (613) 820-4161 cell (613) 791-3777 Web site: http://www.aprel.com - watch for our new web site coming soon! -Original Message- From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:04 AM To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then related it all to my own products. True, there have been times when some of John's responses have been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses like: Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this forum to the less specific queries like: Can someone tell me what EN abc covers but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this out for the sake of all of us. Thank you. - Chris -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure
RE: My departure
I do more listening than talking here... AND I agree with those who do NOT want you to leave!! Daren A. Nerad EMC Consultant / Engineer at Hamilton Sundstrand -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: My departure
I agree with Chris. Chris expressed my opinions better than I could have, and would have, if he hadn't gotten there first. John's detailed responses have been very informative and educational. He must devote a good deal of time to this group. These efforts should be appreciated not deprecated. John's curt responses have been, for the most part - and in my opinion, well deserved. Sometimes a digital smack upside the head is OK. Sort of saying Hulloo - is anybody home in there? Perhaps the moderators, or policy members will explain just what the group's policies are? This is a very valuable resource, which I thought was working very well - due to the efforts of the administrators, policy folks, and all of the participants. Jack Jacob Z. Schanker, P.E., SMIEEE, FIEAust. 65 Crandon Way Rochester, NY 14618 Phone: 585 442 3909 Fax: 585 442 2182 j.schan...@ieee.org - Original Message - From: Chris Chileshe chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk To: 'John Woodgate' j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:04 AM Subject: RE: My departure | | | Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? | | I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. | While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly | ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it | educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then | related it all to my own products. | | True, there have been times when some of John's responses have | been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated | newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses | like: | | Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this | forum | | to the less specific queries like: | | Can someone tell me what EN abc covers | | but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the | different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from | contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, | Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect | responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. | | I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi | Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this | out for the sake of all of us. | | Thank you. | | - Chris | | | -Original Message- | From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] | Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM | To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org | Subject: My departure | | | As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I | consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. | | I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably | to my input. | | You are free to e-mail me if you wish. | -- | Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk | Eat mink and be dreary! | | --- | This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety | Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. | | Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ | | To cancel your subscription, send mail to: | majord...@ieee.org | with the single line: | unsubscribe emc-pstc | | For help, send mail to the list administrators: | Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org | Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net | | For policy questions, send mail to: | Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org | Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org | | All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: | No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. | | _ | This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet | delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further | information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call | Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. | | _ | This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet | delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further | information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call | Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. | | --- | This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety | Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. | | Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ | | To cancel your subscription, send mail to: | majord...@ieee.org | with the single line: | unsubscribe emc-pstc | | For help, send mail to the list administrators: | Michael Garretson:pstc_ad
Re: My departure
I second the sentiment, Woodgate is a valuable asset to this forum. -- From: Chris Chileshe chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk To: 'John Woodgate' j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure Date: Fri, Nov 16, 2001, 5:04 AM Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then related it all to my own products. True, there have been times when some of John's responses have been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses like: Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this forum to the less specific queries like: Can someone tell me what EN abc covers but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this out for the sake of all of us. Thank you. - Chris -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail
RE: My departure
Careful... We're playing with fire here. I don't think the list should be a place for he said---she said...posturing contests... I (for one) don't want a justification from the list admins. I wonder why, and I perfectly understand Aprel's curiosity; but I don't want to have it splattered all over the forum. I'm also not going to grovel to get someone back in the group. There is no one person in this world so important that the world will stop for them. If there is any peacemaking to be done here, I suggest that John and the admin in question work it out off-line. I suggest that if a third party get involved, that it also be off-line. (I suggest Tania. She'll straighten them out :-)) To me, the best result would be that we all hear nothing more while this gets worked out; then John jumps back into the fray with us. After all, I think that most of his posts are helpful (I must admit that the volley regarding the definitions of tetanus, lock jaw, tetanization... were a drag and probably best left off line) Come on guys (and gals)engineering is fun. People learn by playing. Occasionally people commit fouls when they're playing. The game doesn't stop. Warning, the next line is short and to the point, don't read it if you don't want to! (or should that be a Caution??? :-)er...ah...whatever Get your craniums out of your rectums (both words were spelled and used correctly) and come back out and play. After all, when you stop learning new tricks, you become an old dog. Chris -Original Message- From: k.macl...@aprel.com [SMTP:k.macl...@aprel.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:40 AM To: chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure I agree wholeheartedly with Chris. And I must add that whatever this representation is, it sounds very Draconian to me. Unless John is secretly an Al-Quaeda operative, I cannot see any reason to force him off this group. Could we request a justification from the moderators, please. Regards to all, Kate Kathy M. MacLean President, APREL Laboratories -EMC-RF Safety-Antenna Design/Test-SAR/MPE-SAR/Near-Field Tools-Acoustics-Wireless- 51 Spectrum Way, Nepean, Ontario K2R 1E6 (613) 820-2730 fax (613) 820-4161 cell (613) 791-3777 Web site: http://www.aprel.com - watch for our new web site coming soon! -Original Message- From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:04 AM To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then related it all to my own products. True, there have been times when some of John's responses have been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses like: Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this forum to the less specific queries like: Can someone tell me what EN abc covers but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this out for the sake of all of us. Thank you. - Chris -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad
RE: My departure
Thank God that PC is limited to the US. I'd hate to think that the rest of the world was so narrow minded. Now, if we could just get rid of it! Ghery Pettit -Original Message- From: john.merr...@modicon.com [mailto:john.merr...@modicon.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:18 AM To: John Woodgate Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: My departure John I have appreciated your contributions to this board. Your absence only serves to lower the quality of the technical discussions here. Those that are quick to take offence must remember this is a international forum. PC is a US phenomenon and is not the rule for the English speaking world. Regards John Merrill --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: My departure
Rats, I was really hoping to stay out of this particular snit fit but I believe that someone needs to stand up for the list administrators as well. They have a very tough job from many different perspectives technical and unfortunately sociological as well. I haven't a clue what transpired between John and them but I have a great deal of respect for their abilities and hard work in making this work for us all. It would appear that after the conversation John didn't agree with some set of restraints that were discussed so he chose to depart the list but as far as I can tell he wasn't thrown off. I found John to be very knowledgeable, insightful and helpful and a bit acerbic at times but I have probably done the same a time or two, and would certainly like to see him continue, but it appears to be a decision made not an excommunication. Obviously, I wasn't privy to the exchange but given their past efforts I have to assume that the administrators were acting in the best interest of all. I have my asbestos underwear on so please feel free to flame me offline should you desire. Gary -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:40 AM To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure Another fine engineer shot down, in flames, by (yet another) 'PC' byte jockey... Has this become Yet Another Newsgroup/Listserv that hammers the nail that stands up, and praises mediocrity? My Opinion Only; Nothing to do with my employer's policies. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: My departure
John I have appreciated your contributions to this board. Your absence only serves to lower the quality of the technical discussions here. Those that are quick to take offence must remember this is a international forum. PC is a US phenomenon and is not the rule for the English speaking world. Regards John Merrill --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
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I concur fully with you say, John spends a lot of time answering questions why can he not tell it how it is or at least how he sees it. We are after all professional grown up's. Alan E Hutley Editor EMC Compliance journal - Original Message - From: Chris Chileshe chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk To: 'John Woodgate' j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: RE: My departure Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then related it all to my own products. True, there have been times when some of John's responses have been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses like: Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this forum to the less specific queries like: Can someone tell me what EN abc covers but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this out for the sake of all of us. Thank you. - Chris -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list
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C'mon Woody, be a good Brit, put up a stiff upper lip and get back in the game. If you can dish it out, you gotta be able to take it. If you received a private message from one of the administrators, then I'm speaking in total ignorance. If the representations are of the public variety which we all have read, then I have seen nothing which I consider unjustified, just a couple of engineers expressing their own opinions. It's like your byline, OOO - Own Opinons Only. Frank -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
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I echo Kate's opinion, I think the group deserves to understand what happened so that these things don't happen in the future. Regards Kevin Kevin Keegan KES Associates - Original Message - From: k.macl...@aprel.com To: chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:40 AM Subject: RE: My departure I agree wholeheartedly with Chris. And I must add that whatever this representation is, it sounds very Draconian to me. Unless John is secretly an Al-Quaeda operative, I cannot see any reason to force him off this group. Could we request a justification from the moderators, please. Regards to all, Kate Kathy M. MacLean President, APREL Laboratories -EMC-RF Safety-Antenna Design/Test-SAR/MPE-SAR/Near-Field Tools-Acoustics-Wireless- 51 Spectrum Way, Nepean, Ontario K2R 1E6 (613) 820-2730 fax (613) 820-4161 cell (613) 791-3777 Web site: http://www.aprel.com - watch for our new web site coming soon! -Original Message- From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:04 AM To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then related it all to my own products. True, there have been times when some of John's responses have been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses like: Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this forum to the less specific queries like: Can someone tell me what EN abc covers but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this out for the sake of all of us. Thank you. - Chris -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael
RE: RE: My departure
Although I agree with sentiments expressed so far, I would not be as distressed with John Woodgates departure if he was quickly replaced by someone of equal luminosity such as JANET WOODHOG ;-) All kidding aside...I think John should stay (If it matters to the moderators...I am a card-carrying ieee member) -Lauren -- Lauren Crane Product Safety and Regulatory Compliance Engineer/Consultant __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: My departure
John, I was alarmed and saddened to read your posting this morning. I, for one, feel that the loss of your valued input and comments will be sorely missed. I also feel that considering your past contributions to the group, although pointed at times, this action is not warranted. To the adminstrator(s), I sincerely hope this did not come from something petty. And, unless the reason for this action is so unrevocable by violating the Charter and Guidelines of the EMC_PSTC group (I can't see how any of John's posting did that), please keep John and his valued comments and insight with the group. Maybe the adminsitrator(s) would care to share with the group their reasoning for this action. And, whatever the outcome, I, for one, have enjoyed John's knowledgable and insightful postings. John came into the group with a literal bang and IMO, it will be a shame for him to exit the group this way. Sincerely, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Sent by: To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org owner-emc-pstc@majordomcc: o.ieee.org Subject: My departure 11/15/01 02:06 PM Please respond to jmw As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: My departure
Thirded (but only for the US :)). Scott James, Chris wrote: Seconded!! Chris James __ Chris James Engineering Services Manager Dolby Laboratories, Inc. (UK) www.dolby.com -Original Message- From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk] Sent: 16 November 2001 11:04 To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then related it all to my own products. True, there have been times when some of John's responses have been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses like: Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this forum to the less specific queries like: Can someone tell me what EN abc covers but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this out for the sake of all of us. Thank you. - Chris -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list
RE: My departure
John, Your departure will be loss to this forum, and I hope measures have been taken to offer you the possibility of reconsidering. Thank you for you help in the past, both on and off this forum. Enci --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: My departure
Another fine engineer shot down, in flames, by (yet another) 'PC' byte jockey... Has this become Yet Another Newsgroup/Listserv that hammers the nail that stands up, and praises mediocrity? My Opinion Only; Nothing to do with my employer's policies. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: My departure
John, I have enjoyed your contributions to this forum and have learned a few things from you as well. People who find your direct responses to occasionally be offensive have a serious self-image problem and need to lighten up. The purpose of this forum is provide an avenue for the open exchange of knowledge and unique experiences between compliance engineering professionals. I believe you have served this purpose better than most and I hope you re-consider your decision not to participate any longer. Jim Hulbert Senior Engineer - EMC Pitney Bowes --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: My departure
Seconded!! Chris James __ Chris James Engineering Services Manager Dolby Laboratories, Inc. (UK) www.dolby.com -Original Message- From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk] Sent: 16 November 2001 11:04 To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then related it all to my own products. True, there have been times when some of John's responses have been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses like: Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this forum to the less specific queries like: Can someone tell me what EN abc covers but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this out for the sake of all of us. Thank you. - Chris -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net
RE: My departure
Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then related it all to my own products. True, there have been times when some of John's responses have been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses like: Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this forum to the less specific queries like: Can someone tell me what EN abc covers but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this out for the sake of all of us. Thank you. - Chris -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: My departure
John, you must do what you must do but I for one will be sorry to see you leave. Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 === John Woodgate jmw@jmwa.demon To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org .co.uk cc: (bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: My departure 11/15/2001 03:06 PM Please respond to John Woodgate As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
