Re: [PSES] Red phosphorus flame retartants

2019-01-02 Thread Lauren Crane
Ted, Thanks for sharing this case study/anecdote. Very interesting. Regards, Lauren Crane Tokyo Electron From: Ted Eckert <07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 11:06 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Red phosphorus flame retartants This

[PSES] IEC 61000-4-5 Surge Testing Single plug vs. multiple plug system

2019-01-02 Thread Larry K. Stillings
All, I received the following email from a customer today via their customer addressing our application of surge testing. We are testing laboratory equipment per IEC/EN 61326-1 and IEC/EN 61326-2-6 and specifically are having failures with respect to surge on a system that has multiple power

Re: [PSES] IEC 61000-4-5 Surge Testing Single plug vs. multiple plug system

2019-01-02 Thread John Woodgate
Should you be testing a 'system' as a whole anyway? My take on this is that if several pieces of equipment are invoiced together with a single price for the lot, that is a system and all must be tested together. But if the pieces are invoiced separately (so that other equipment might be

Re: [PSES] Red phosphorus flame retartants

2019-01-02 Thread Ted Eckert
This is an anecdote and not data, but I can speak of the reliability issue from personal experience. I don’t remember exactly when this occurred, but it was around 2005. A supplier of power cords was using red phosphorus as the flame retardant in a plastic part for the IEC 60320-C13 connector

Re: [PSES] IEC 61000-4-5 Surge Testing Single plug vs. multiple plug system

2019-01-02 Thread Joe Randolph
Hi Larry: Are the failures do to actual damage, or just to upset? I can imagine some situations where there might be upset for the one-at-a-time configuration you describe, and I can understand how someone might argue this configuration is not an appropriate test configuration. However, I

Re: [PSES] IEC 61000-4-5 Surge Testing Single plug vs. multiple plug system

2019-01-02 Thread John Howe
IEC 61000-4-5 (2005) does cover this and implies in section 8.3 (page 38 in my copy): "In the case of several identical circuits, representative measurements (plural) on a selected number of circuits may be sufficient. " and further down: "When testing line to ground, the lines are tested singly

Re: [PSES] Red phosphorus flame retartants

2019-01-02 Thread Scott Xe
Hi Ted, Many thanks for your sharing the anecdote! I am also aware of a case on mains cord sets. It happened in 2014, 9 years after your case. Two major PC suppliers: Hx and Lenxxx recalled abt 7m mains cord sets globally (details are in CPSC website). It sounds not much lesson learnt.

Re: [PSES] IEC 61000-4-5 Surge Testing Single plug vs. multiple plug system

2019-01-02 Thread John Woodgate
I feel sure that /"When testing line to ground, the lines are tested singly in sequence, if there is no other/ /specification."/ is about 3-phase supplies, not multiple mains leads. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK

Re: [PSES] Red phosphorus flame retartants

2019-01-02 Thread Adam Dixon
I agree that it's an older paper, but the data are still relevant IMO. Here are a few more recent ones from different US gov't organizations with a pyrology focus (so not solely focused on Scott's original question, but still informative): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5445781/