Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:06:57 -0400, you wrote: Any case a flex of .02 would be unacceptable for us. We do not see that kind of flex. It's really around 0.005 . The belts are european steel cable loaded AT5 belts 3/4 wide and driven on AL pulley's. Ooohh look! - somebody with experience

[Emc-users] dcmotor with encoder use as servo

2009-06-11 Thread leswilk
Hello all have been reading a lot from your emailing, I going to start a cnc router build 3 axis machine . Have lots of questions. Plan is to use dc motors ¾ hp 1725 rpm motor with fincor 2250 dc controller. These were found at scrap yard all work ok. Controller is using a 5k pot to control

Re: [Emc-users] dcmotor with encoder use as servo

2009-06-11 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/6/11 lesw...@gmail.com: 1. What board is easiest to configure fort this. I am leaning toward a Pluto or a mesa 7i 33 Depending on how many signals you have you might not need any board at all, which at least simplifies the setup. You may be able to drive direct from the p-port. 2. Will

Re: [Emc-users] New machine in production

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
Looks like a nice clean setup! I took a look at http://www.8020.net/ earlier in the game and decided to weld my setup. The difference for the large frame was like $400 to $4000 so I decided to buy steel and skip the profiles. But then... the machine is substantially larger than yours. Rainer On

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
Ooohh look! -  somebody with experience who's actually been there and done it too G Hahahaha I've give up arguing with pedantic theorists, they always know better, I'll just get back to doing it too at about +/-0.001 ;) Wow Steve... that's impressive. We thought about a way to get rid of

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/6/11 Rainer Schmidt lemonn...@gmail.com: I've give up arguing with pedantic theorists, they always know better, I'll just get back to doing it too at about +/-0.001 ;) Wow Steve... that's impressive. He might mean inches, it isn't clear. I did once have the job of machining glass to

Re: [Emc-users] dcmotor with encoder use as servo

2009-06-11 Thread Leslie Newell
I am afraid that probably won't work. For a dc servo you need a drive that is very fast reacting and operates in four quadrants (forward, fwd brake, rev and rev brake). Your drive is designed to hold the motor at a steady speed and will be relatively slow reacting. It also probably operates in

Re: [Emc-users] dcmotor with encoder use as servo

2009-06-11 Thread Jeff Epler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:32:57AM +, lesw...@gmail.com wrote: 1. What board is easiest to configure fort this. I am leaning toward a Pluto or a mesa 7i 33 I recommend Mesa over Pluto without hesitation (and I say this as the guy who wrote the FPGA firmware and HAL driver that run the

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
I did once have the job of machining glass to 0.0001mm but that was done with an Ion Mill so doesn't really count. I default into Inches However, I am a metric guy who is constantly annoyed by the US imperial system. fractions of inches, 12 per foot, three per yard and 95% of the population

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Jack Coats
And even fewer know that rods and chains are legal units of measure either. It would be interesting to know the real reasons for the various units of measure as a historical tidbit. Much of that information seems to be lost to the general population. I grew up with imperial measures, but as

Re: [Emc-users] dcmotor with encoder use as servo

2009-06-11 Thread Jeff Epler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 08:18:33AM -0500, Jeff Epler wrote: You could use an additional output pin on a second I/O connector for direction; in HAL you would use 'abs' and 'comp' to split the PID output into an always-positive magnitude and a direction. SWP points out on irc that 'abs' also has

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Douglas Pollard
Steve Blackmore wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:06:57 -0400, you wrote: Any case a flex of .02 would be unacceptable for us. We do not see that kind of flex. It's really around 0.005 . The belts are european steel cable loaded AT5 belts 3/4 wide and driven on AL pulley's.

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Dave Engvall
On Jun 11, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Jack Coats wrote: And even fewer know that rods and chains are legal units of measure either. Yep. 4 rods/chain, 10 chains/furlong 8 furlongs/mi. so many paces/chain obscure unless you were chasing fires for the USFS during the 50's. It would be

Re: [Emc-users] dcmotor with encoder use as servo

2009-06-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 10:32 +, lesw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all have been reading a lot from your emailing, I going to start a cnc router build 3 axis machine . Have lots of questions. Plan is to use dc motors ¾ hp 1725 rpm motor with fincor 2250 dc controller. These were found at

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 10:22 -0400, Douglas Pollard wrote: ... snip I try my best to say what I think about a subject and then when someone disagrees or gives a reason it won't work, to just keep my mouth shut. After all I have said what I think why elaborate on it? It's hard though. I

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/6/11 Rainer Schmidt lemonn...@gmail.com: I did once have the job of machining glass to 0.0001mm but that was done with an Ion Mill so doesn't really count. .0001mm... can't imagine how steady you have to temper everything around that thing... How do you position that? Piezo? It

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
I stopped 'translating' values early on once I moved to the states. It's just confusing. it's easier to get used to the 'new' system. But metric is definitely forcing it's way into the door. There are numerous catalgues I recevied recently which have only metric torque values and no US imperial

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Douglas Pollard
Rainer Schmidt wrote: I did once have the job of machining glass to 0.0001mm but that was done with an Ion Mill so doesn't really count. I default into Inches However, I am a metric guy who is constantly annoyed by the US imperial system. fractions of inches, 12 per foot, three per

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
I believe that the proposed silicon sphere Avagadro/kg standard is 95mm +/- 30nm, which is a truly impressive bit of manufacturing. http://www.acpo.csiro.au/spheres.htm Owww I LOVE shiny stuff.. that sphere looks marvelous. I could not take my hand of it all day 8). And yes, that is

Re: [Emc-users] Metricks - Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 11:42 -0400, Douglas Pollard wrote: ... snip I am a imperial guy who is annoyed with the metric system. I have worked in metric a lot but still don't know what a meter looks like except that it close to a yard. To me a MM is .039 approx and a little bigger than

Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 G-code Math

2009-06-11 Thread Jeff Epler
Expressions are described in the documentation: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_overview.html#sub:Expressions they ultimately call underlying functions in the standard C math library. There are no built-in constants such as 'pi' or 'e'. However, pi is often not needed because the builtin

Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 G-code Math

2009-06-11 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Kirk Wallace wrote: Where does the math software used in g-code come from? In other words, does anyone have links to more information on the g-code math functions? Among other things, I would like to know if there is a pi function, or do I need to use *3.14159265358579.? Thanks for any

Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 G-code Math

2009-06-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 11:30 -0500, Jeff Epler wrote: Expressions are described in the documentation: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_overview.html#sub:Expressions they ultimately call underlying functions in the standard C math library. There are no built-in constants such as 'pi' or

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Douglas Pollard
Rainer Schmidt wrote: I believe that the proposed silicon sphere Avagadro/kg standard is 95mm +/- 30nm, which is a truly impressive bit of manufacturing. http://www.acpo.csiro.au/spheres.htm Owww I LOVE shiny stuff.. that sphere looks marvelous. I could not take my hand of it

[Emc-users] Single Stepping Loops

2009-06-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
I just tried to single step through a g-code program, and found that my while loop counts as one step. Is there a plan to have each run of the loop count as one step, so there is less danger of a crash if the loop doesn't travel as planned? Thanks. -- Kirk Wallace

Re: [Emc-users] Single Stepping Loops

2009-06-11 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:42:40AM -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote: I just tried to single step through a g-code program, and found that my while loop counts as one step. Is there a plan to have each run of the loop count as one step, so there is less danger of a crash if the loop doesn't travel as

Re: [Emc-users] Metricks - Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Kirk Wallacekwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 11:42 -0400, Douglas Pollard wrote: ... snip I am a imperial guy who is annoyed with the metric system. I have worked in metric a lot but still don't know what a meter looks like except that

Re: [Emc-users] Metricks - Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
So once you know what milli, denti, deci and kilo means... you Sorry... there is no 'denti' lol how'd that happen??? -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing

Re: [Emc-users] Single Stepping Loops

2009-06-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 12:54 -0500, Chris Radek wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:42:40AM -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote: I just tried to single step through a g-code program, and found that my while loop counts as one step. Is there a plan to have each run of the loop count as one step, so there

[Emc-users] Running the encoders directly to EMC

2009-06-11 Thread Sven Wesley
While reading another post I realized that EMC can handle the encoder input by itself - and at the same time I realized that I can run one of my machines at home as a direct encoded closed loop. After some more reading and digging at the cnclinux wiki I think it should be possible to do it with a

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/6/11 Douglas Pollard dougp...@verizon.net: We did some experiments and what we decided was that fingers must be the most accurate thing on earth.   It some point the writing gets pretty feeble looking but is still ledgeable.   One of the engineers did a write up on this off the wall

Re: [Emc-users] Running the encoders directly to EMC

2009-06-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 20:14 +0200, Sven Wesley wrote: While reading another post I realized that EMC can handle the encoder input by itself - and at the same time I realized that I can run one of my machines at home as a direct encoded closed loop. After some more reading and digging at the

Re: [Emc-users] Running the encoders directly to EMC

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
Is this possible, what card do I need and how the heck do I configure EMC? Regards, Sven http://tinyurl.com/n6ehhl And don't forget your friends! ;) Rainer -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial

Re: [Emc-users] Running the encoders directly to EMC

2009-06-11 Thread Sven Wesley
Haha! Google is your friend! --S PS. Your payment is... ...soon on the way. :) 2009/6/11 Rainer Schmidt lemonn...@gmail.com Is this possible, what card do I need and how the heck do I configure EMC? Regards, Sven http://tinyurl.com/n6ehhl And don't forget your friends! ;)

Re: [Emc-users] Running the encoders directly to EMC

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Sven Wesleysvenne.d...@gmail.com wrote: Haha! Google is your friend! --S I have the same problem with the mesa site. Just send them an email and they get you onto the right track. I did the same. I just need step direction generation better than with my generic

Re: [Emc-users] Metricks - Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Dirk
I am 100% metric and I hate it when I have to work with imperial parts. If I have a choice I will never take the imperial parts. Especially if it is not only about dimensions but also some heat, power or whatever awkward unit they come up with. It is asking for trouble with all these

Re: [Emc-users] Metricks - Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Douglas Pollard
Dirk wrote: I am 100% metric and I hate it when I have to work with imperial parts. If I have a choice I will never take the imperial parts. Especially if it is not only about dimensions but also some heat, power or whatever awkward unit they come up with. It is asking for trouble

Re: [Emc-users] Metricks - Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Jack Coats
IMHO, lots of the reason for not changing is personal convenience. People think they know what a 400HP engine in a car is like, or what 312cu in V8 is. Most don't, but they think they do. If it was really important to change, folks would. If it is just to keep some politician happy, ... lets

[Emc-users] Servo tuning

2009-06-11 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
I have a pair of Yaskawa servo motors and drivers (servopaks) to run my lathe. They are the Speed/Torque variety and I'm driving them with a mesa analog driver, providing +/-10v. I'm unsure of how to tune my system, as the servopaks have a collection of tuning parameters (and auto-tune

Re: [Emc-users] Metric?

2009-06-11 Thread cmgfam
Reducing metric to a decimal system only,is missing the point. The metric system is BASE TEN. An important distinction from imperial. The units of both metric and imperial could be considered arbitrary as most seem to change with refinement and our ability to divide and measure to greater

Re: [Emc-users] parallel port cards

2009-06-11 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: Gentle persons: The recent discussion of problems with parallel-port cards and Pluto/Mesa hardware/software reminded me that the subject of good and bad parallel-port cards (and their underlying chipsets) is not well treated in the wiki. Maybe I'm just not good

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:25:33 -0400, you wrote: Ooohh look! -  somebody with experience who's actually been there and done it too G Hahahaha I've give up arguing with pedantic theorists, they always know better, I'll just get back to doing it too at about +/-0.001 ;) Wow Steve... that's

Re: [Emc-users] Metricks - Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Rafael Skodlar
Douglas Pollard wrote: I can look at a cutter and tell you pretty close how many surface ft per minute it is running. How many mm is that a minute and if I knew , would I really know what that is? Thank God we don't have metric time I guess it would have to be based on how many

Re: [Emc-users] Metricks - Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
yea, my head hurts too. ... still better than measuring mass in slugs. But that sounds a lot of fun. I was eating at McDonalds and gained three slugs! haha I only like the SI system because there is less to convert. Otherwise I care less if the base is 1 or 2.54. There is a fine furniture

Re: [Emc-users] Mill-Drill needs steppers and servos?

2009-06-11 Thread Rainer Schmidt
One way to get good results with belts is to strobe them at full speed and watch the first tooth engaged by the pulley. If the tooth is trying to climb out, it's too slack. That fault often shows after a time as a line of wear on the pulley teeth near the crest, but it's a bit late then.

[Emc-users] emc.nbl

2009-06-11 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, Ubuntu 9.04 (I know - not supported but my laptop runs s much nicer with 9.04 and other sims run) emc2-trunk-sim added new machine in vismach (my hydrotel cinici) change makefile to compile 5axhydrotel.c (added lines in two places) install 5axhydrotel.gui in

Re: [Emc-users] Metric?

2009-06-11 Thread Douglas Pollard
cmg...@sover.net wrote: Reducing metric to a decimal system only,is missing the point. The metric system is BASE TEN. An important distinction from imperial. The units of both metric and imperial could be considered arbitrary as most seem to change with refinement and our ability to divide

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning

2009-06-11 Thread Jon Elson
Frank Tkalcevic wrote: I have a pair of Yaskawa servo motors and drivers (servopaks) to run my lathe. They are the Speed/Torque variety and I'm driving them with a mesa analog driver, providing +/-10v. I'm unsure of how to tune my system, as the servopaks have a collection of tuning

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning

2009-06-11 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Jon Elson wrote: Frank Tkalcevic wrote: I have a pair of Yaskawa servo motors and drivers (servopaks) to run my lathe. They are the Speed/Torque variety and I'm driving them with a mesa analog driver, providing +/-10v. I'm unsure of how to tune my system, as the servopaks have a collection