Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-31 Thread andy pugh
On 31 January 2014 05:30, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2014/01/2-Quadrant-BLDC-speed-driver-ver.-48ZWSK50-B-804-1.pdf It _looks_ like a conventional velocity-controlled servo drive (though I actually think it will

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-31 Thread Dave Cole
On 1/31/2014 7:41 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 31 January 2014 05:30, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2014/01/2-Quadrant-BLDC-speed-driver-ver.-48ZWSK50-B-804-1.pdf It _looks_ like a conventional velocity-controlled

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-30 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com wrote: Interesting - yeah works out to around the same price and would be a infinity better set up. Well, checking on Automation Tech, the same motor is listed at $78, I think. So, I don't know if Keling will honor the $52

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-30 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/30/2014 04:23 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: Automation Technology is Keling. The Automation Tech web site is the current one. Dunno why John keeps the old site up and running other than as a visual redirect. He ought to scrap the entire old site and leave a dummy page with a link to the new

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-30 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-01-30 Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com: Or perhaps this driver: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema23/dc-brushless-driver-for-kl23bls-115 Does anyone have experience with these drives? I have few servo motors whose current requirements are too large for 7i39 drive,

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-30 Thread Dave Cole
On 1/30/2014 2:44 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2014-01-30 Jeshua Lacock jes...@3dtopo.com: Or perhaps this driver: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema23/dc-brushless-driver-for-kl23bls-115 Does anyone have experience with these drives? I have few servo motors whose

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 January 2014 22:23, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: The hint is: pot control with external 5 volt control available However, it might still work. LinuxCNC can output speed-dir if needed. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-30 Thread Dave Cole
Except that if you put it on an axis and you wanted to stop, the drive could not apply braking torque.. I can't imagine that working on a servo axis. Even steppers can apply braking torque. Dave On 1/30/2014 5:44 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 30 January 2014 22:23, Dave Cole

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 January 2014 23:58, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Except that if you put it on an axis and you wanted to stop, the drive could not apply braking torque.. Surely there is no torque only when there is no position error. With the slightest hint of overshoot the motor will be

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 30 January 2014 20:28:27 Dave Cole did opine: Except that if you put it on an axis and you wanted to stop, the drive could not apply braking torque.. I can't imagine that working on a servo axis. Even steppers can apply braking torque. Dave I do, by making hal apply a staged

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-30 Thread Dave Cole
On 1/30/2014 7:08 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 30 January 2014 23:58, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Except that if you put it on an axis and you wanted to stop, the drive could not apply braking torque.. Surely there is no torque only when there is no position error. With the slightest

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-29 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: 570 Oz-In is a lot, but of course, that is only at standstill. But, they should do fine, especially with a belt reduction. 5 A will require the big Gecko 203 drive. For that, you might consider Gecko's servo motors

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-29 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jan 29, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 01/29/2014 04:04 AM, Jeshua Lacock wrote: they have a very affordable size 23 brushless motor, the KL23BLS115, good for 180 Oz-In (but that is a RUNNING rating, not a standstill rating). $52 without encoder. You can

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-29 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 01/29/2014 04:35 PM, Jeshua Lacock wrote: I see. That would pretty much be a deal breaker as just the power supply alone for 5 axes would be $750. Could I use something else (not that I don't think its not worth it - I

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-27 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I just don't worry about this idiot problem. If you've seen the picture of the $600 million NOAA weather satellite that fell over and got smashed in 2003, I just know that no matter HOW stupid a mistake I ever make,

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Gene, Hie thee to this divine web site, and look under Lead Screws, then PS style lead screws and PS style nuts. I've got one of these on my Z axis on my CNC saw beveler. The screws are some kind of modified

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 26 January 2014 09:31:48 Mark Wendt did opine: On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Gene, Hie thee to this divine web site, and look under Lead Screws, then PS style lead screws and PS style nuts. I've got one of these on my Z axis on

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Sunday 26 January 2014 09:31:48 Mark Wendt did opine: On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Gene, Hie thee to this divine web site, and look under Lead Screws, then PS

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 26 January 2014 09:48:44 Mark Wendt did opine: On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Sunday 26 January 2014 09:31:48 Mark Wendt did opine: On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Gene, Hie

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 26 January 2014 09:31:10 Mark Wendt did opine: On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Gene, Hie thee to this divine web site, and look under Lead Screws, then PS style lead screws and PS style nuts. I've got one of these on my Z axis on

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: And we're always good company. Humor-wise anyway. ;-) Mark And I'm glad, otherwise we'd be insufferable. ;-) Cheers, Gene I resemble that remark. ;-) Mark

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 26 January 2014 10:13:19 Mark Wendt did opine: On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: And we're always good company. Humor-wise anyway. ;-) Mark And I'm glad, otherwise we'd be insufferable. ;-) Cheers, Gene I resemble that

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: And I'm glad, otherwise we'd be insufferable. ;-) Cheers, Gene I resemble that remark. ;-) Mark And that is something I wouldn't ever refer to you as being. Myself now, thats a different horse...

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Jon Elson
I just don't worry about this idiot problem. If you've seen the picture of the $600 million NOAA weather satellite that fell over and got smashed in 2003, I just know that no matter HOW stupid a mistake I ever make, it will NEVER come close to that one! It cost Lockheed $150 million to fix, and

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 26 January 2014 13:05:06 Jon Elson did opine: I just don't worry about this idiot problem. If you've seen the picture of the $600 million NOAA weather satellite that fell over and got smashed in 2003, I just know that no matter HOW stupid a mistake I ever make, it will NEVER come

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-26 Thread John Alexander Stewart
REN NOAA-19. Neat. The building behind mine @work tests space vehicles, and, for some of the testing people can not be in the same room, in case of bits flying off (e.g., program the linear accelerator to simulate an Airiane 5 launch, and see what happens to the satellite. Don't think they've

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-25 Thread Mark Wendt
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Thursday 23 January 2014 14:30:41 andy pugh did opine: On 23 January 2014 15:24, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Agreed and amen. Unforch, the size of ball screws it takes to do that to my HF micromill, are

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 25 January 2014 12:50:35 Mark Wendt did opine: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Thursday 23 January 2014 14:30:41 andy pugh did opine: On 23 January 2014 15:24, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Agreed and amen. Unforch, the size

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-23 Thread Russell Brown
Quoth Jeshua Lacock. I figured backlash was common to just about all reasonably priced mills, and I was wondering what folks did with them to compensate with CNC. FWIW, I cnc'd my WMD30LValike reasonably priced mill using the standard ACME screws thinking that backlash could be compensate

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 23 January 2014 09:13:54 Russell Brown did opine: Quoth Jeshua Lacock. I figured backlash was common to just about all reasonably priced mills, and I was wondering what folks did with them to compensate with CNC. FWIW, I cnc'd my WMD30LValike reasonably priced mill using

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-23 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
Tex Steve (PMDX) have done a couple ball screw micromills. I go to the monthly meetings and have seen them;) I think Tex has to machine the nut a little to fit but they appear to work great. Might want to drop Steve a line again and see what they're doing if he doesn't pipe in here first. On

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 23 January 2014 12:43:06 Stephen Dubovsky did opine: Tex Steve (PMDX) have done a couple ball screw micromills. I go to the monthly meetings and have seen them;) I think Tex has to machine the nut a little to fit but they appear to work great. Might want to drop Steve a line

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-23 Thread andy pugh
On 23 January 2014 15:24, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Agreed and amen. Unforch, the size of ball screws it takes to do that to my HF micromill, are made out of pure unobtainium. The smallest I can buy on fleabay is 12mm

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 23 January 2014 14:30:41 andy pugh did opine: On 23 January 2014 15:24, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Agreed and amen. Unforch, the size of ball screws it takes to do that to my HF micromill, are made out of pure unobtainium. The smallest I can buy on fleabay is 12mm

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-22 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/21/2014 11:10 PM, Jeshua Lacock wrote: Greetings, I am the proud new owner of an Bolton Tools AT750 combination lathe and mill see here: http://3DTOPO.com/Bolton-AT750.jpg I am super impressed with the machine so far. Ugh, we have a somewhat similar machine at work, it is pretty

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-22 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 01/21/2014 11:10 PM, Jeshua Lacock wrote: Greetings, I am the proud new owner of an Bolton Tools AT750 combination lathe and mill see here: http://3DTOPO.com/Bolton-AT750.jpg I am super impressed with the

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 January 2014 19:14:34 Jeshua Lacock did opine: On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 01/21/2014 11:10 PM, Jeshua Lacock wrote: Greetings, I am the proud new owner of an Bolton Tools AT750 combination lathe and mill see here:

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-22 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Wednesday 22 January 2014 19:14:34 Jeshua Lacock did opine: Speaking of anti-backlash ballscrews, have you guys seen this printable: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:125529 That is a cute idea, but you likely have

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-22 Thread Jeshua Lacock
On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: There is a link for how to make nuts that fit your screws, usually with less than a thou of backlash, using acetal/delrin for the nut material. http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/43645-Making-Acetal-leadscrew-

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-22 Thread jeremy youngs
i did this with my mill and am truly impressed with its repeatability. i think you can give up on software compensation for backlash though with your factory screws . simply make the nuts and go from there it will save much time and effort jeremy youngs

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-22 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/22/2014 05:58 PM, Jeshua Lacock wrote: Hmmm, what machine are you referring to? I just checked and I have full 8x12x3 inches of travel for the mill. Well, yours seems to have the adjustable head height, ours doesn't. It also sounds like yours may be overall a larger machine that ours.

Re: [Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-22 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/22/2014 08:41 PM, Jon Elson wrote: 570 Oz-In is a lot, but of course, that is only at standstill. But, they should do fine, especially with a belt reduction. 5 A will require the big Gecko 203 drive. For that, you might consider Gecko's servo motors and our PWM servo drives. The

[Emc-users] Conversion Suggesions?

2014-01-21 Thread Jeshua Lacock
Greetings, I am the proud new owner of an Bolton Tools AT750 combination lathe and mill see here: http://3DTOPO.com/Bolton-AT750.jpg I am super impressed with the machine so far. I am open to any suggestions for converting the machine to full LinuxCNC. I was thinking for budget and