Re: [Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-18 Thread Claude Froidevaux
Le 15.05.2012 14:27, Erik Christiansen a écrit : On 14.05.12 08:15, Ted Hyde wrote: I've noticed that the current online spec sheet for the standard PicoPSU says PG is acceptable between 10.5 and 13.5 vdc. It's not a bold statement spec - you have to hunt for it. However, I'd believe it in

Re: [Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-14 Thread Ted Hyde
dave wrote: Hi all, Sometime ago I bought a D510MO to replace my aging 1.2 GHz Duron. I'm finally frustrated enough with the present cpu, etc. to actually upgrade. ;-) http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/power_supplies/dc_converters?gclid=COeJt5m4_q8CFSIHRQodoQGGHA I've been looking at

Re: [Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-14 Thread Dave
The standard PICO power supplies are designed to be run off a regulated 12 volt PSU, not a 12 volt battery. Only the wide range units are designed for car use - and some of them will survive an engine starting cycle which is handy since you PC will not reboot when starting the car, boat, etc

[Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-13 Thread dave
Hi all, Sometime ago I bought a D510MO to replace my aging 1.2 GHz Duron. I'm finally frustrated enough with the present cpu, etc. to actually upgrade. ;-) http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/power_supplies/dc_converters?gclid=COeJt5m4_q8CFSIHRQodoQGGHA I've been looking at the power

Re: [Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 14 May 2012 00:51, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/power_supplies/dc_converters?gclid=COeJt5m4_q8CFSIHRQodoQGGHA I've been looking at the power supplies in the above link. Does anyone have experience, recommendations, etc. Further what are people

Re: [Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-13 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 5/13/2012 8:23 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 14 May 2012 00:51, davedengv...@charter.net wrote: http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/power_supplies/dc_converters?gclid=COeJt5m4_q8CFSIHRQodoQGGHA I've been looking at the power supplies in the above link. Does anyone have experience,

Re: [Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-13 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote: Hi all, Sometime ago I bought a D510MO to replace my aging 1.2 GHz Duron. I'm finally frustrated enough with the present cpu, etc. to actually upgrade. ;-) http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/power_supplies/dc_converters?gclid=COeJt5m4_q8CFSIHRQodoQGGHA I've been looking at

Re: [Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-13 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote: Hi all, Sometime ago I bought a D510MO to replace my aging 1.2 GHz Duron. I'm finally frustrated enough with the present cpu, etc. to actually upgrade. ;-) Oh, and of course, you can buy a bunch of micro-ITX power supplies for these 7 square CPUs. The lower-powered ones are

Re: [Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-13 Thread Dave
On 5/13/2012 7:51 PM, dave wrote: Hi all, Sometime ago I bought a D510MO to replace my aging 1.2 GHz Duron. I'm finally frustrated enough with the present cpu, etc. to actually upgrade. ;-) http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/power_supplies/dc_converters?gclid=COeJt5m4_q8CFSIHRQodoQGGHA

[Emc-users] psu for atom boards

2012-05-13 Thread Roger Holmquist
Well, using a battery charger seem to be a high risk approach. What Pico seem to delveir is I guess the right thing, a regulated and shortcirciut-proof device intended for computer boards? Potential problems with battery chargers as powersupplies are: - Probably unfiltered DC -

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-14 Thread andy pugh
On 6 April 2011 21:07, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: 10,000uF @ 100V is £20 10,000uF @ 400V is £135 I picked up 3 x 3300uF from eBay at £20 all-in. Compared to the $186 _each_ from Mouser and the similar RS price I think I got a bargain. Now they have arrived, I think I see why they cost

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 08:49:16PM +0100, andy pugh wrote: And now the cap sizing. If I say that I can put up with 10% ripple at max rated current (7.5A for the motors) on a nominal 300V then I end up with C = 7.5A X 10mS / 30V = 2500uF. Eeek!

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 09:22:59PM +0100, andy pugh wrote: I have plenty of NTC surge limiters. Andy, what sort of devices are you using? I started building a surge limiter with MOSFETS. Those NTC things sound kinda useful. I'm using toroidal transformers, and they can give a big thump on

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread andy pugh
On 7 April 2011 10:26, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: Andy, what sort of devices are you using? http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProductR=5167827 -- atp Torque wrenches are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread Les Newell
They work very well. It pays to get ones that are rated at quite a bit above your load current otherwise they do have a tendency to pop. Actually a simple resistor in series with the mains works pretty well. Just make sure it is a wire wound resistor that can take high surge currents. Les

Re: [Emc-users] PSU]

2011-04-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
Oops, this didn't make it to the list, apparently because Andy had mailed both to the list and to me. My mail system detects duplicates, and keeps only the first. Unfortunately that was the non-list duplicate. Replying to that didn't go to the list. I'll have to build better defences against

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, April 07, 2011 08:01:09 AM andy pugh did opine: On 7 April 2011 10:26, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: Andy, what sort of devices are you using? http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getPro ductR=5167827 One thing is missing here,

Re: [Emc-users] PSU]

2011-04-07 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, April 07, 2011 08:06:47 AM Erik Christiansen did opine: Oops, this didn't make it to the list, apparently because Andy had mailed both to the list and to me. My mail system detects duplicates, and keeps only the first. Unfortunately that was the non-list duplicate. Replying to

Re: [Emc-users] PSU]

2011-04-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 08:10:55AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: An additional thought comes to mind when using them for something like my A3877 based xylotex setup, an extended time at low voltage is not recommended as it causes more heat in the A3977's than the normal voltage, so its

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread Ian W. Wright
What about the old idea of putting a light bulb in series with the mains? Would this have a useful effect? ian Actually a simple resistor in series with the mains works pretty well. Just make sure it is a wire wound resistor that can take high surge currents.

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Ian W. Wright wrote: What about the old idea of putting a light bulb in series with the mains? Would this have a useful effect? I think you've got it backwards. The idea is to use a light bulb as a bleed resistor, and coincidentally as a dangerous voltages present indicator :) Light

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 02:03:41PM +0100, Ian W. Wright wrote: What about the old idea of putting a light bulb in series with the mains? Would this have a useful effect? It has a large positive temperature coefficient, so admits a large initial surge, then limits the current to a much lower

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread Ian W. Wright
Ok, wrong again...;-} I have seen them used as short circuit protection which fits in with what you say. ian On 07/04/2011 14:11, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: Ian W. Wright wrote: What about the old idea of putting a light bulb in series with the mains? Would this have a useful effect? I

Re: [Emc-users] PSU]

2011-04-07 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, April 07, 2011 10:27:37 AM Erik Christiansen did opine: On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 08:10:55AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: An additional thought comes to mind when using them for something like my A3877 based xylotex setup, an extended time at low voltage is not recommended as it

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-07 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, April 07, 2011 10:33:33 AM Ian W. Wright did opine: What about the old idea of putting a light bulb in series with the mains? Would this have a useful effect? ian If sized right, somewhat useful, but nothing like the NTC goodie. Sizing it right can be a problem when dealing

[Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread andy pugh
I have 400V servo drives, 350V motors and 240V single-phase mains power. Is there any reason that my servo power supplies need to be anything more than a rectifier and caps? I will probably add a PTC and an input fuse too. Would a relay/resistor to discharge the caps on power-off be usual? --

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Igor Chudov
normally people discharge caps through a resistor only. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:18 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: I have 400V servo drives, 350V motors and 240V single-phase mains power. Is there any reason that my servo power supplies need to be anything more than a rectifier and

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, andy pugh wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:18:18 +0100 From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] PSU I

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 April 2011 14:31, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: normally people discharge caps through a resistor only. In that case, what would be the normal discharge time? Last time I did the calculations it looked like a permanently-connected resistor needed to be rated at several tens of watts

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Igor Chudov
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:51 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 April 2011 14:31, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: normally people discharge caps through a resistor only. In that case, what would be the normal discharge time? Last time I did the calculations it looked like a

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 02:51:02PM +0100, andy pugh wrote: On 6 April 2011 14:31, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: normally people discharge caps through a resistor only. In that case, what would be the normal discharge time? Last time I did the calculations it looked like a

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Dave
On 4/6/2011 9:18 AM, andy pugh wrote: I have 400V servo drives, 350V motors and 240V single-phase mains power. Is there any reason that my servo power supplies need to be anything more than a rectifier and caps? I will probably add a PTC and an input fuse too. Would a relay/resistor to

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 04/06/2011 07:32 AM, Dave wrote: On 4/6/2011 9:18 AM, andy pugh wrote: I have 400V servo drives, 350V motors and 240V single-phase mains power. Is there any reason that my servo power supplies need to be anything more than a rectifier and caps? I will probably add a PTC and an input fuse

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Rafael Skodlar wrote: Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 09:45:45 -0700 From: Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PSU On 04/06/2011 07:32 AM

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 01:07:23 PM andy pugh did opine: I have 400V servo drives, 350V motors and 240V single-phase mains power. Is there any reason that my servo power supplies need to be anything more than a rectifier and caps? I will probably add a PTC and an input fuse too.

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Dave
On 4/6/2011 1:18 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: The relay/resistor combination can do this much faster that a reasonably bleeder, say .5 seconds or so. This makes the power supply safer and provides braking of all servo axis in a fault condition. That's what I was thinking. And since the

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, andy pugh wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 20:49:16 +0100 From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PSU

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread andy pugh
Compare and contrast: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RIFA-EVOX-CAPACITOR-PEH200-3300UF-NEW-/180648591924 and http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProductR=3111254 == eBay Bargain. Whereas: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Epcos-Electrolytic-Capacitor-2200uF-B43564A5228M000 and

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Igor Chudov
Just a data point, I used a 10,000 uF capacitor for my 72v, 25A power supply. Seems to work great. i On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:49 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: And now the cap sizing. If I say that I can put up with 10% ripple at max rated current (7.5A for the motors) on a nominal

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 April 2011 20:59, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Epcos-Electrolytic-Capacitor-2200uF-B43564A5228M000 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Epcos-Electrolytic-Capacitor-2200uF-B43564A5228M000-/290534781332 (if anyone cares). Basically 3x the price from eBay as from the

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 April 2011 20:57, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Just a data point, I used a 10,000 uF capacitor for my 72v, 25A power supply. 10,000uF @ 100V is £20 10,000uF @ 400V is £135 Perhaps a transformer would be more cost-effective :-) -- atp Torque wrenches are for the obedience of

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 04:02:33 PM andy pugh did opine: And now the cap sizing. If I say that I can put up with 10% ripple at max rated current (7.5A for the motors) on a nominal 300V then I end up with C = 7.5A X 10mS / 30V = 2500uF. Eeek! Understatement Andy, it will weld relays

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread andy pugh
And now the cap sizing. If I say that I can put up with 10% ripple at max rated current (7.5A for the motors) on a nominal 300V then I end up with C = 7.5A X 10mS / 30V = 2500uF. Eeek! http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProductR=5436785 Is the cheapest that is

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, andy pugh wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:07:53 +0100 From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PSU On 6

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread Igor Chudov
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:14 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 04:02:33 PM andy pugh did opine: And now the cap sizing. If I say that I can put up with 10% ripple at max rated current (7.5A for the motors) on a nominal 300V then I end up with C = 7.5A

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 April 2011 21:14, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Understatement Andy, it will weld relays closed with the inrush unless surge limited. I have plenty of NTC surge limiters.  And for 60hz power, your 10ms would be 8.333 for a full wave bridge. Yes, but I have proper,

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 04:25:58 PM Igor Chudov did opine: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:14 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 04:02:33 PM andy pugh did opine: And now the cap sizing. If I say that I can put up with 10% ripple at max rated current

Re: [Emc-users] PSU

2011-04-06 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 04:28:52 PM andy pugh did opine: On 6 April 2011 21:14, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Understatement Andy, it will weld relays closed with the inrush unless surge limited. I have plenty of NTC surge limiters. �And for 60hz power, your 10ms would be