Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-05 Thread tom-emc
My numbers are similar (not exactly the same): Major Dia: 0.3678 Minor Dia: 0.3239 Thread Depth: 0.2555 I am measuring with thread wires (0.029 dia) and am trying to get a pitch dia of between 0.3468 and .3430 (class 2A or better). -Tom > On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:30 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > On

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 05 June 2017 05:30:10 andy pugh wrote: > On 5 June 2017 at 02:22, wrote: > > Currently I do that by cutting a diameter with the threading tool. > > I measure that with a micrometer and I enter the DRO value in the > > tool touch off for that tool (I have a routine that leaves the tool

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-05 Thread andy pugh
On 5 June 2017 at 02:22, wrote: > Currently I do that by cutting a diameter with the threading tool. I > measure that with a micrometer and I enter the DRO value in the tool touch > off for that tool (I have a routine that leaves the tool at the diameter > after cutting so this works). But I am

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 06/04/2017 09:13 PM, tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: This is a G76 canned cycle and I usually enter 1 (sometimes 2) spring passes. The spring pass(es) take no material so this isn’t a deflection problem. My theoretical thread depth was 0.0255. I ended up needing to set it to 0.0280, but once set i

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 06/04/2017 08:56 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 06/04/2017 08:22 PM, tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: I have to increase the depth a couple thou and re-cut the thread to cut it deep enough. Due to machine spring as well as workpiece deflection, a second pass without even changing the X depth will take off

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 04 June 2017 21:56:46 Jon Elson wrote: > On 06/04/2017 08:22 PM, tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: > > I have to increase the depth a couple thou and re-cut the thread > > to cut it deep enough. > > Due to machine spring as well as workpiece deflection, a second pass > without even changing the X

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-04 Thread tom-emc
This is a G76 canned cycle and I usually enter 1 (sometimes 2) spring passes. The spring pass(es) take no material so this isn’t a deflection problem. My theoretical thread depth was 0.0255. I ended up needing to set it to 0.0280, but once set it cuts correctly and repeatably. I thought i

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 06/04/2017 08:22 PM, tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: I have to increase the depth a couple thou and re-cut the thread to cut it deep enough. Due to machine spring as well as workpiece deflection, a second pass without even changing the X depth will take off some material. So, if you turn it down,

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-04 Thread tom-emc
Well, I cut a bunch of screws today, which was executing a repetitive series of gcode routines and I did not have this problem at all. I am now thinking it is caused by something we are doing outside of the G76. We were touching tools off and I am wondering if we did something that caused the

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 03 June 2017 10:08:47 tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2017, at 7:16 AM, Gene Heskett > > wrote: > > > > > > What then is the effect of g7/g8 on g76? > > Gene, > > According to the G76 man page: > > "Note: > When G7 Lathe Diameter Mode is in force the values for I, J and K are > di

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-03 Thread tom-emc
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 7:16 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > What then is the effect of g7/g8 on g76? Gene, According to the G76 man page: "Note: When G7 Lathe Diameter Mode is in force the values for I, J and K are diameter measurements. When G8 Lathe Radius Mode is in force the values for I, J

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-03 Thread tom-emc
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 5:17 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > On 3 June 2017 at 01:11, wrote: >> However, what we were seeing (and have seen multiple times now but cannot >> yet re-create at will) is that even though our routine is commanding say, a >> diameter of .324, the DRO in Axis is showing the c

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 03 June 2017 05:17:43 andy pugh wrote: > On 3 June 2017 at 01:11, wrote: > > However, what we were seeing (and have seen multiple times now but > > cannot yet re-create at will) is that even though our routine is > > commanding say, a diameter of .324, the DRO in Axis is showing the

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 June 2017 at 01:11, wrote: > However, what we were seeing (and have seen multiple times now but cannot yet > re-create at will) is that even though our routine is commanding say, a > diameter of .324, the DRO in Axis is showing the cutter down below that. > Meaning there is a disconnect

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-02 Thread tom-emc
To touch the tool off I am physically cutting an OD, measuring that diameter and touching off the tool using that mic’d measurement, so the “actual tip” as you say. So, yes, we are cutting a tiny bit deeper. However, what we were seeing (and have seen multiple times now but cannot yet re-creat

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-02 Thread John Kasunich
How are you touching off (or otherwise determining the X tool offset for the insert)? For example, if you calculate the offset assuming a sharp-V geometry (the simplest case), but touch off with the actual tip of the insert (not sharp), the insert will be in deeper than LCNC thinks it is when y

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-02 Thread tom-emc
Ok, thanks for the responses. I found some thread gauge wires and with them have determined that we are cutting too deep. This would cause the pointy peaks and root, so the next question is why are we cutting too deep…? We believe we are entering the correct value for K (thread depth) but I w

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-02 Thread Ed
On 06/02/2017 10:36 AM, tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: There is a custom adjusting screw that I buy commercially and when I get them the threads have a text-book geometry to them. That is, they have a small flat top on the major diameter and small flat bottom at the minor diameter or root. They are ma

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-02 Thread Ken Strauss
Friday, June 02, 2017 12:39 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry > > If this is a 3/8 x 24 then I assume it is a UNF thread. > As I understand it, UNF (and UNC) threads are part of the UTC system, but the > specifica

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-02 Thread Marcus Bowman
If this is a 3/8 x 24 then I assume it is a UNF thread. As I understand it, UNF (and UNC) threads are part of the UTC system, but the specification for UNF and UNC threads is that UN threads typically have a flat root, with the option of a rounded root. The rounded root simply gives more clearan

Re: [Emc-users] Question on thread geometry

2017-06-02 Thread Dave Caroline
As that one has a range then you turn to final diameter ans dont go too deep with the insert, that leaves a flat on top. Measure on the job with thread wires etc to check depth. Dave Caroline -- Check out the vibrant tec