Re: [Emc-users] Just a Thought

2007-08-15 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 15 August 2007, Jon Elson wrote: > >>ben lipkowitz wrote: >> >We tried to make a map where the users could place a pin at >their location, I don't know what has happened to it. what ever has happened to the map ( google map if I remember right )

Re: [Emc-users] Controller to Amp Cable

2007-08-15 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: > Typically, how long can the cable be between the UniversalPWM controller > and servo amps? The amps have differential PWM and direction inputs. I > assume they are RS-422 compatible? (Just keep below 10 mA through 1 > kOhms?) My servo amps have opto-coupled inputs. Depending

[Emc-users] Encoder Transmitter (was Just a Thought)

2007-08-15 Thread Javid Butler
Kirk- Most of what I have is based around a single data link so nothing in stock will do what you need here. However, my PCB house will do a single sided panel with as many copies of an image as will fit for about $60. That would be about 20 2"x2" boards. I just shear them apart. Do you have a

[Emc-users] EMC2 and Macro capability

2007-08-15 Thread Jeff Pollard
Hi, In the DONE section of the following wiki EMC page: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?action=browse&id=EmcFeatures&revision=25 It suggests that macro capabilites have been added to EMC (item 3 in the done section), however I can't find any mention of macros in the documentati

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper dirves drom bsjd.com

2007-08-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 16 August 2007, Jason Cox wrote: >On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 00:09 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 15 August 2007, Jason Cox wrote: >> >hi all, >> >just wondering if anyone has used a Q2HB44MA stepper drive >> >( http://www.bsjd.com/_en/products_show.asp?Productid=424 ) as I h

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper dirves drom bsjd.com

2007-08-15 Thread Jason Cox
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 00:09 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 15 August 2007, Jason Cox wrote: > >hi all, > > just wondering if anyone has used a Q2HB44MA stepper drive > >( http://www.bsjd.com/_en/products_show.asp?Productid=424 ) as I have > >just acquired some for my new mill. > >whi

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper dirves drom bsjd.com

2007-08-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 15 August 2007, Jason Cox wrote: >hi all, > just wondering if anyone has used a Q2HB44MA stepper drive >( http://www.bsjd.com/_en/products_show.asp?Productid=424 ) as I have >just acquired some for my new mill. >which is best a step/dir signal or CW/CCW signaling for steppers? >

[Emc-users] Stepper dirves drom bsjd.com

2007-08-15 Thread Jason Cox
hi all, just wondering if anyone has used a Q2HB44MA stepper drive ( http://www.bsjd.com/_en/products_show.asp?Productid=424 ) as I have just acquired some for my new mill. which is best a step/dir signal or CW/CCW signaling for steppers? Jason Cox ---

Re: [Emc-users] MAX_DIO

2007-08-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 21:59 -0500, Chris Radek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 07:57:26PM -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote: > > I take it that EMCMOT_MAX_DIO is compiled into EMC (emcmotcfg.h). So if > > I need more than four m64pX's I would need to compile my own EMC? I > > suppose being able to compile

Re: [Emc-users] MAX_DIO

2007-08-15 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 07:57:26PM -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote: > I take it that EMCMOT_MAX_DIO is compiled into EMC (emcmotcfg.h). So if > I need more than four m64pX's I would need to compile my own EMC? I > suppose being able to compile my own EMC would be a good thing, but I'm > trying to put it

[Emc-users] MAX_DIO

2007-08-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
I take it that EMCMOT_MAX_DIO is compiled into EMC (emcmotcfg.h). So if I need more than four m64pX's I would need to compile my own EMC? I suppose being able to compile my own EMC would be a good thing, but I'm trying to put it off for later. Thank you. Kirk Wallace

Re: [Emc-users] Just a Thought

2007-08-15 Thread Jason Cox
This could also be because Adobe havent released a 64bit version and the 32bit dosn't play nicely with any 64bit browsers. It has killed some things for me, but thats there loss Jason On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 21:56 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 15 August 2007, Jon Elson wrote: > >ben

Re: [Emc-users] Just a Thought

2007-08-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 15 August 2007, Jon Elson wrote: >ben lipkowitz wrote: We tried to make a map where the users could place a pin at their location, I don't know what has happened to it. >>> >>>what ever has happened to the map ( google map if I remember right ) >>>that even had pic's of users e

Re: [Emc-users] Real amp-enable?

2007-08-15 Thread Jeff Epler
You'd connect the commanded position to change-detect, and the output would be the "full current enable" that you are requesting. You could stretch its output with the "oneshot" component so that the amplifier current limit doesn't go down instantly when there is a programmed pause or the like. y

Re: [Emc-users] Real amp-enable?

2007-08-15 Thread Sven Mueller
Sam Sokolik schrieb: > My only question would be - how are the stepper drives shut off? Is the > power removed from them? The stepper driver itself is not shut down. Only the reference voltage (which stears the output current) is lowered to approx. 10% of the original reference voltage. > When

Re: [Emc-users] Real amp-enable?

2007-08-15 Thread Sven Mueller
Jeff Epler schrieb: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 10:31:49PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote: >> >> Due to the way our machine drives the axes, we would like to turn off >> the amplpifiers when no axis moves (even when the spindle is on), since >> the steppers get really hot if they don't move but are driven

Re: [Emc-users] Real amp-enable?

2007-08-15 Thread Sam Sokolik
My only question would be - how are the stepper drives shut off? Is the power removed from them? When they turn back on - will they be at the right phase sequence as when they where shut off? You could be as much as 4 full steps off if I am thinking correctly. sam - Original Message ---

Re: [Emc-users] Real amp-enable?

2007-08-15 Thread Jeff Epler
On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 10:31:49PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote: > Hi. > > Due to the way our machine drives the axes, we would like to turn off > the amplpifiers when no axis moves (even when the spindle is on), since > the steppers get really hot if they don't move but are driven at full > current.

[Emc-users] Real amp-enable?

2007-08-15 Thread Sven Mueller
Hi. Due to the way our machine drives the axes, we would like to turn off the amplpifiers when no axis moves (even when the spindle is on), since the steppers get really hot if they don't move but are driven at full current. However, axis.*.amp-enable-out goes true as soon as the machine is enabl

Re: [Emc-users] Single Step'n

2007-08-15 Thread alex . joni
Quoting Kirk Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > For the first run of a part, I recall reducing the feed rate and then > single stepping through the program. I think there was a single step > button you could activate before you hit the cycle start, so that the > program would single step right from the

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Features

2007-08-15 Thread John Kasunich
Chris Radek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 01:08:26PM -0400, John Kasunich wrote: >> G33 threading passes are one way to sync "tool" motion with the spindle, >> but maybe not what you want, since each G33 pass waits for an index >> pulse - in a winding application you will still be winding fiber

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders with steppers

2007-08-15 Thread Jeff Epler
On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 11:40:35AM -0500, RogerN wrote: > Instead of PID speeding up the stepper, could it be connected to feed > rate override and slow the feed until the stepper caught up? emc2 offers "feedhold" and "adaptive-feed" pins in HAL (the latter is activated by M52, not on by default)

Re: [Emc-users] Pluto (is not a planet)

2007-08-15 Thread Jeff Epler
The change in emc2.2 will be to allow any number of counts per index, so long as the maximum number of counts per servo cycle is within the permitted range. I made this change for sam and his 10160-count encoder, but I am not sure he's actually tested it with the updated version. Jeff --

Re: [Emc-users] Need help getting my machine to work.

2007-08-15 Thread Sven Mueller
John Kasunich schrieb: > Sven Mueller wrote: > Found the problem: > > The following is in your "pinout" file: > > >net Xenable axis.0.amp-enable-out => or2.0.in0 > >net Yenable axis.1.amp-enable-out => or2.0.in1 > >net XYenable or2.0.out => or2.1.in0 > >net Zenable axis.2.amp-enable-out => or

Re: [Emc-users] 5i20 Counter

2007-08-15 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Kirk Wallace wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:33:44 -0700 > From: Kirk Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: [Emc-users] 5i20 Counter > > Does anyone know off hand how fast th

Re: [Emc-users] Macro Language

2007-08-15 Thread Sven Mueller
Alex Joni schrieb: >> Ask user to define minimum and maximum X, Y and Z positions by moving >> the tooltip to the relevant positions manually or by entering the values >> numerically. Then use a procedural (possibly recursive) approach to scan >> the work pieces surface with a touch probe. > > Not

[Emc-users] Controller to Amp Cable

2007-08-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
Typically, how long can the cable be between the UniversalPWM controller and servo amps? The amps have differential PWM and direction inputs. I assume they are RS-422 compatible? (Just keep below 10 mA through 1 kOhms?) - Thi

Re: [Emc-users] 5i20 Counter

2007-08-15 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
The rating for the SoftDMC configuration is "~3 MHz if the filter is enabled", and faster if the filter is disabled. SoftDMC is not the config used with EMC2, but I think the encoder counter is the same, so I'd think it could count at 3 MHz or better, depending on noise filtering. - Steve Kirk

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Features

2007-08-15 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 01:08:26PM -0400, John Kasunich wrote: > > G33 threading passes are one way to sync "tool" motion with the spindle, > but maybe not what you want, since each G33 pass waits for an index > pulse - in a winding application you will still be winding fiber during > that wait.

[Emc-users] 5i20 Counter

2007-08-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
Does anyone know off hand how fast the Mesa 5i20 encoder counters are? Kirk Wallace - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configu

Re: [Emc-users] Pluto (is not a planet)

2007-08-15 Thread Sam Sokolik
'I think' that jepler has already increased that - I have 2540 line encoders/w index which are 10160 count that I have not tested yet but I think will work now.. I actually think he went about the encoder counting different so it isn't an issue. I am sure jepler will chime in here. :) sam

[Emc-users] Pluto (is not a planet)

2007-08-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
How hard is the 8191 count per index limit on the Pluto controller? In other words, what are the chances of the count per index being increased? Kirk Wallace - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping th

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Features

2007-08-15 Thread John Kasunich
Ryan Hulsker wrote: > Some of the recent discussion on "wish lists" and silent users etc. has > prompted me to chime in here. I have been a lurker on this list for a > long time, have played with EMC several times, and have dreamt of > building a CNC machine (mill, drill, filament winder, or foam

[Emc-users] EMC Features

2007-08-15 Thread Ryan Hulsker
Some of the recent discussion on "wish lists" and silent users etc. has prompted me to chime in here. I have been a lurker on this list for a long time, have played with EMC several times, and have dreamt of building a CNC machine (mill, drill, filament winder, or foam cutter, depending on which

[Emc-users] Single Step'n

2007-08-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
I have a confession to make. The only real CNC experience I have had was a three month stint a couple of years ago, mostly with a Fadal. (I really liked that machine, except for the tool changer randomly getting chips under the tool holder.) For the first run of a part, I recall reducing the feed

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders with steppers

2007-08-15 Thread RogerN
- Original Message - From: "John Kasunich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Encoders with steppers > PID's response to feedback falling behind command is to drive > the motor harder. With a

Re: [Emc-users] Just a Thought (a reply to Javid)

2007-08-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2007-08-14 at 20:45 -0500, Javid Butler wrote: > > I have been meaning to ask you about who fabricates your pcb's. I need > > to have a few RS-422 transmitter and receiver boards made. > > Kirk- > > Can you elaborate on what you need? ...snip > Anyway, please tell us more about what you n

Re: [Emc-users] Just a Thought

2007-08-15 Thread Jon Elson
ben lipkowitz wrote: >>>We tried to make a map where the users could place a pin at >>>their location, I don't know what has happened to it. >> >>what ever has happened to the map ( google map if I remember right ) >>that even had pic's of users equipment ? > > > the map is here: > http://www.fra

Re: [Emc-users] Macro Language

2007-08-15 Thread Jeff Epler
On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 03:16:35PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote: > Ask user to define minimum and maximum X, Y and Z positions by moving > the tooltip to the relevant positions manually or by entering the values > numerically. Then use a procedural (possibly recursive) approach to scan > the work piec

Re: [Emc-users] Macro Language

2007-08-15 Thread Hansjakob Rusterholz
Cool! (I should read the Manual ;-)) Thanks anyway for telling me this feature. Hansjakob Am 15.08.2007 um 16:04 schrieb Jeff Epler: > In emc2, these are known as "parameters". The "#" character is > used to > set them or use their values. > > A parameter can be set with gcode like > #4

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders with steppers

2007-08-15 Thread Alex Joni
> I'm > sure there is a way to solve that problem, but nothing springs to mind > right now. > how about a long limit switch (between 2 encoder indexes), just use a latch to toggle the state. to summarize: actual switch AND encoder index -> toggle signal for the latch. latch output -> emc home-s

Re: [Emc-users] Macro Language

2007-08-15 Thread Jeff Epler
In emc2, these are known as "parameters". The "#" character is used to set them or use their values. A parameter can be set with gcode like #43=4000 and used like this: X10 Y10 F#43 Math is supported: #43=[sin[45] * 300] and can be used anywhere a number would be used: X10 Y10 F[

Re: [Emc-users] Macro Language

2007-08-15 Thread Alex Joni
> Ask user to define minimum and maximum X, Y and Z positions by moving > the tooltip to the relevant positions manually or by entering the values > numerically. Then use a procedural (possibly recursive) approach to scan > the work pieces surface with a touch probe. Not the most advanced waz to d

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders with steppers

2007-08-15 Thread John Kasunich
Michel Gouget wrote: > Dear All, > > I am considering adding encoders and home switches to my Sherline CNC mill. > > I see 2 benefits: > 1) Being *sure* of not loosing steps (estop, ...) > 2) Using (low precision) home switches and the index of the encoder, I get > *excellent* repeatability when

Re: [Emc-users] Macro Language

2007-08-15 Thread Hansjakob Rusterholz
Hi EMC2 pros I was using 12 years IBH CNC: http://www.ibh-cnc.com They had so called "Parameter sentences". A parameter sentence was always one Line, and startet with a star, for example: *N10 P43=4000 With this lines you could perform simple math like *+-/, sqr, If, goto etc, you had about

Re: [Emc-users] Macro Language

2007-08-15 Thread Sven Mueller
Kenneth Lerman schrieb: > What is it that you imagined? Other than the fact that o-words are numeric > (on my list of work to do is allowing them to be alphanumeric), what else > would you like? I don't know what Fenn would like to see, but here is a use case for such a language which I currently

Re: [Emc-users] Macro Language

2007-08-15 Thread Andre' Blanchard
He is probably looking for something a bit more industry standard. Like G65 simple macro call and G66 modal macro call with G67 cancel, with more normal looking argument assignment. Like this one using argument assignment type I. G65 P1001 Z-0.750 R0.100 D#101 A#100 F#9 Then there is assignment ty

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders with steppers

2007-08-15 Thread Lester Caine
Michel Gouget wrote: > Dear All, > > I am considering adding encoders and home switches to my Sherline CNC mill. > > I see 2 benefits: > 1) Being *sure* of not loosing steps (estop, ...) > 2) Using (low precision) home switches and the index of the encoder, I get > *excellent* repeatability when

[Emc-users] Encoders with steppers

2007-08-15 Thread Michel Gouget
Dear All, I am considering adding encoders and home switches to my Sherline CNC mill. I see 2 benefits: 1) Being *sure* of not loosing steps (estop, ...) 2) Using (low precision) home switches and the index of the encoder, I get *excellent* repeatability when homing. The mill is equipped with re

Re: [Emc-users] Just a Thought-standards

2007-08-15 Thread Javid Butler
> I mean it's really hard to actually read it, once you've paid the $15k or > so to actually get the documents. (You can get an idea by looking at the > draft standards.) This is done so the people who wrote the standards get > to keep their jobs as the people who read and explain the standards to

Re: [Emc-users] Macro Language

2007-08-15 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Hi Fenn, What is it that you imagined? Other than the fact that o-words are numeric (on my list of work to do is allowing them to be alphanumeric), what else would you like? Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Kenny Products Company, LLC 55 Main Street Voice: (888)ISO-SEVO (888)476-7386 Newtown, CT

Re: [Emc-users] Just a Thought

2007-08-15 Thread Ray Henry
Hi Ben On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 04:09 +, ben lipkowitz wrote: > I want to make sure people are aware that these _are_ two distinct ideas > and that one is not reliant on the other. I think it would be a bad idea > for the two to be directly associated as there will eventually be > conflicts o