Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 00:50:06 -0600, you wrote: I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future. The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated merge candidates, joints-axes and unified-build-candidate. It is my (unpopular) opinion that both of these branches require additional work to be release-ready, and i don't want to hold up the 2.6 release any longer. It's been two years since 2.5.0 and that's way too long. There are good features that are ready to release today, so I want to get those out to users while we finish up the next round of features for the next release. What good features are those Seb? Steve Blackmore -- -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] What hardware to interface with these linear scales and rotary encoder?
On 4/2/2014 11:11 AM, Jon Elson wrote: On 04/01/2014 11:27 PM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: Oops, didn't read to the end. Or is there a single board that plugs into one parallel port, can run up to four stepper drives, read up to four TTL quadrature scale/encoder inputs, has an e-stop input, limit switch inputs for 3 or 4 axes, can control spindle on/off and a lube pump *and nothing more than that*? Yes, see our Universal Stepper Controller http://pico-systems.com/osc2.5/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=4products_id=30 It does all of these things. It has a couple more digital inputs and outputs than you strictly need, but is almost a perfect fit to what you describe. That looks like it would work, and be simple/easy since it's a single board. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Threading Re: What hardware to interface with these linear scales and rotary encoder?
On 4/2/2014 1:25 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: All this talk about doing manual threading, along with the pitfalls if ones reflexes aren't spot on, makes me want to see both the G76 and g33.1 (and possibly other spindle/zmotion locked canned cycles, get a little smarter. I like the tool holders for internal and external threading shown in the first four videos here https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=threading+flip+tool+holder Don't have to back the cross slide out at all with those. Just flip the tool and go back to the start, then advance for the next cut. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] What hardware to interface with these linear scales and rotary encoder?
Thanks, Jon, this was very illuminating after many decades of lathe turning practice! Peter Am 02.04.2014 19:22, schrieb Jon Elson: On 04/02/2014 08:39 AM, Peter Blodow wrote: I don't even know what threading dials are and where they are installed, sorry. I usually cut a thread up to a given length, then stop and retract the tool in one instance. It's a two hand job. I can put the drive directly in reverse for a fraction of a second instead of a brake. OK, this apparently is big difference between US and metric practice. US (and old British) lathes in the unified Imperial system had standard threads that were all multiples of 8. So, we had 20, 24, 32, 40 TPI. You could disengage the half nuts and re-engage on any thread for most of the standard thread pitches. For some odd pitches such as pipe threads, you could only engage at one inch intervals. The thread dial had various marks so you could be sure to engage at the right multiple for the thread you are cutting. It is much faster to open the half nuts, back up the carriage with the handwheel and re-engage at the right mark on the dial. I could usually do this in about 2 seconds, including backing up the X and feeding back in. I'm sure reversing the spindle and then going back to forwards would have to take longer. But, with the various metric standard pitches, this nice multiple relationship probably doesn't hold for practical leadscrew pitches. Jon -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I am very disheartened to read this. The fact that the new Trajectory planner/ubc work, will not be included . Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will get tested properly. Or is it a case of the guys have put all the hard work in,And it will be shelved again!! I now remember why i turned away from Emc a good few year ago. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 April 2014 12:30, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will get tested properly. If there was an inner circle that made this decision, then I wasn't part of it. But: Something as big as a new TP would always be expected to live in the master branch for a while where adventurous users could experiment with it and shake out the bugs. The Released versions are meant to be tested and known-good. 2.6 will introduce the things introduced to Master since the 2.5 release (which was 31st March 2012, quite a long time ago). This includes things such as G-code remapping (including Python access to interp state), a couple of new GUIs (gscreen and gmoccapy) and some more HAL components. I think there was a list somewhere, it is more than you might guess, but less than was expected. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 Apr 2014, at 13:17, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 12:30, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will get tested properly. If there was an inner circle that made this decision, then I wasn't part of it. But: Something as big as a new TP would always be expected to live in the master branch for a while where adventurous users could experiment with it and shake out the bugs. The Released versions are meant to be tested and known-good. 2.6 will introduce the things introduced to Master since the 2.5 release (which was 31st March 2012, quite a long time ago). This includes things such as G-code remapping (including Python access to interp state), a couple of new GUIs (gscreen and gmoccapy) and some more HAL components. I think there was a list somewhere, it is more than you might guess, but less than was expected. For me, the most important part of what is proposed is that it seems as though it will provide a straightforward way to achieve an installation compatible with Ubuntu 12, without having to tweak, tease or persuade LinuxCNC. That, on its own, would be enough to qualify as a worthwhile incremental release. The larger changes would be very welcome, of course, but can wait for a subsequent release (from my own personal point of view - and reflecting my own perceived priorities). Marcus -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 4/3/2014 7:17 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 12:30, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will get tested properly. If there was an inner circle that made this decision, then I wasn't part of it. But: Something as big as a new TP would always be expected to live in the master branch for a while where adventurous users could experiment with it and shake out the bugs. The Released versions are meant to be tested and known-good. 2.6 will introduce the things introduced to Master since the 2.5 release (which was 31st March 2012, quite a long time ago). This includes things such as G-code remapping (including Python access to interp state), a couple of new GUIs (gscreen and gmoccapy) and some more HAL components. I think there was a list somewhere, it is more than you might guess, but less than was expected. I agree, the new TP should definitely be in master as an option. I guess the big question for me is how soon will 2.7 be released that includes UB ? If it is a few months, that is a lot different than a few years. And yes, I know putting this all together is a lot of work and I truly appreciate that. :-) Dave -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
As much as we all want the big features, not one of us who use and test the Master branch on a regular basis has seen any of these for general use or testing. I for one cannot wait to get the new TP but I will not use it in any installation before it has been tested by myself and a lot of other users. Unfortunately there are many lurkers and lesser informed people out there that spread rumours about things that are not to be. I had a tensed discussion with an unsuspecting user two days ago that insisted that the new TP will be in the release. So I will support the merger of these major features into the master branch as soon as possible so we can start testing :) But I also support the notion that untested stuff does not go for release until tested. On 2014-04-02 08:50, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future. The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated merge candidates, joints-axes and unified-build-candidate. It is my (unpopular) opinion that both of these branches require additional work to be release-ready, and i don't want to hold up the 2.6 release any longer. It's been two years since 2.5.0 and that's way too long. There are good features that are ready to release today, so I want to get those out to users while we finish up the next round of features for the next release. Both branches are candidates for a future 2.7 release (as is Robert Ellenberg's new trajectory planner). I intend for the 2.7 release cycle to be much shorter than 2.6 was, and i intend to keep working with everyone's help to make ready the features in the pipeline for 2.7. But for now I ask for everyone's help in getting 2.6 out. Breaking with tradition, the 2.6 branch is called, simply, 2.6. Bug fixes are welcome in 2.6 (or in v2.5_branch if appropriate), as are new components and drivers, but commits that potentially destabilize existing functionality should be reviewed before being pushed to the release branch. The 2.6 release is targeting the following platforms: Realtime (RTAI): Ubuntu Lucid (32-bit, Linux 2.6.32) Ubuntu Precise (32-bit, Linux 3.4) Debian Wheezy (32-bit, Linux 3.4) Simulation: Ubuntu Lucid Ubuntu Precise Debian Wheezy Ubuntu Hardy (RTAI and simulation) is not currently supported because of a build dependency of the new xhc-hb04 driver. If there is user desire for 2.6 on Hardy we can disable that driver on Hardy (while still shipping that driver on the newer platforms). Work remaining/request for help: Testing - especially be on the lookout for any needed config changes Squashing of bugs (https://sf.net/p/emc/bugs/milestone/2.6/) Building of new Live CDs (for both Precise and Wheezy) Proof-reading the docs -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. Machinekit is an overhaul of the real-time and glue infrastructure which supports LinuxCNC. Machinekit is intended to be broadly applicable to real-time control applications. Non-CNC systems such as general automation and robotics are potential target applications for Machinekit, as is more traditional CNC machine control. Messaging API support to enable distributed operation across a broad range of platforms including tablets, traditional desktop machines, and embedded systems has progressed considerably and shows first results [4][5][6]. Machinekit will be based on the unified-binary code from the start. The intent is to adopt innovation at a rapid pace while remaining a stable baseline, enable wider adoption by simplifying usage and the contribution process, as well as providing the lowest cost realtime control application supporting ubiquitous UI hardware. Active community involvement is a critical part of our vision for this peer project so we are adopting the Collective Code Construction Contract (C4) [7]. Our desire is to make it easy for anyone to contribute to the project and to provide objective guidelines for the acceptance and merging of changes. For an excellent discussion of the C4 contract rationale and building a community around an open source project, see Chapter 6 of the 0MQ guide [8]. Sincerely, The Machinekit team members: Michael Haberler John Morris Charles Steinkuehler Kent Reed Alexander Rössler Links: [1] Machinekit website: http://www.machinekit.io [2] Machinekit blog: http://blog.machinekit.io [3] Github repository: https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit [4] Status update: https://github.com/mhaberler/asciidoc-sandbox/wiki/statusupdate-032014 [5] Android app and Gladevcp both controlling HAL remotely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z9Cw_1hqRg [6] BeagleBone controlling 3D printer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdMcdjUPyes [7] Collective Code Construction Contract (C4): http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22 [8] The ØMQ Community: http://zguide.zeromq.org/page:chapter6 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
I applaud you, the keepers of the code! Exciting times in the LinuxCNC world! Ray --J. Ray Mitchell Jr. jrmitche...@gmail.com (818)324-7573 Normal people ... believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet. -- Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert comic strip On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. Machinekit is an overhaul of the real-time and glue infrastructure which supports LinuxCNC. Machinekit is intended to be broadly applicable to real-time control applications. Non-CNC systems such as general automation and robotics are potential target applications for Machinekit, as is more traditional CNC machine control. Messaging API support to enable distributed operation across a broad range of platforms including tablets, traditional desktop machines, and embedded systems has progressed considerably and shows first results [4][5][6]. Machinekit will be based on the unified-binary code from the start. The intent is to adopt innovation at a rapid pace while remaining a stable baseline, enable wider adoption by simplifying usage and the contribution process, as well as providing the lowest cost realtime control application supporting ubiquitous UI hardware. Active community involvement is a critical part of our vision for this peer project so we are adopting the Collective Code Construction Contract (C4) [7]. Our desire is to make it easy for anyone to contribute to the project and to provide objective guidelines for the acceptance and merging of changes. For an excellent discussion of the C4 contract rationale and building a community around an open source project, see Chapter 6 of the 0MQ guide [8]. Sincerely, The Machinekit team members: Michael Haberler John Morris Charles Steinkuehler Kent Reed Alexander Rössler Links: [1] Machinekit website: http://www.machinekit.io [2] Machinekit blog: http://blog.machinekit.io [3] Github repository: https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit [4] Status update: https://github.com/mhaberler/asciidoc-sandbox/wiki/statusupdate-032014 [5] Android app and Gladevcp both controlling HAL remotely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z9Cw_1hqRg [6] BeagleBone controlling 3D printer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdMcdjUPyes [7] Collective Code Construction Contract (C4): http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22 [8] The ØMQ Community: http://zguide.zeromq.org/page:chapter6 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 04:26:41PM +0200, Michael Haberler wrote: We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. This is great! I wish the very best for both ongoing projects. Chris -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 4/2/14 15:56 , Michał Geszkiewicz wrote: Hi Seb, Hi Michal, Few questions: Who made decision about not including ubc and when? As release manager, I did. It was a few days before i made the 2.6 branch announcement. Where are the emails that invite developers to irc meeting to vote this? There were none - as release manager i made the decision. Why voting about need to integrate ubc before 2.6 from irc meeting http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Meeting201306 was ignored? The vote was not ignored. The vote was a general agreement that UB was a desirable feature that we should try to get into 2.6. Several of us worked on that branch (and on our infrastructure) to move it towards a state where we would feel comfortable merging UB for the 2.6 release. This work is ongoing, but it is my (unpopular) opinion that UB is not currently ready for release. I know the exclusion of UB for 2.6 is a disappointment for everyone. It's a big disappointment for me too, as one of the folks who have worked to include it. In retrospect we should have probably branched 2.6 back in July, but i was hopeful back then that we were close to merging UB and i wanted to wait for it... Why you ignoring mhaberler when he pointed out that all noted ubc issues was fixed? I didn't reply because i have a history of not having effective communication with Michael Haberler when the conversation is that emotional. I did not know about the commits he's referencing. Saying the issue is fixed because there's a commit in this other branch over here is a bit disingenuous. I dont follow all of Michael Haberler's branches. We have a branch that we were trying to get ready to merge, unified-build-candidate-3, that's where bug fixes for that branch belong. If the fixes had been made on the shared branch we were all trying to make release-ready, then i would have known about them, i would have known that the other developers were still making forward progress towards merge readiness, i could have closed the open bug tickets on the bug tracker, and we'd have been closer to merging UB for 2.6. Why are you ignoring fastest than ever rising group of users with small budget who want to use linuxcnc with stuff like beagleboard, raspberrypi with 3d printing?. I'm not ignoring them, on the contrary i've worked for a long time to try to include support for ARM platforms in LinuxCNC. I intend to continue to work towards this goal. I and lots of my friends have Beagle Bones and are looking forward to better support for them in LinuxCNC. What i do not want to do is hold up the 2.6 release any more while this work progresses. 2.6 is not the final release of LinuxCNC (i hope!). Additionally realtime ethernet is what could make linuxcnc project competitive with industrial cnc controllers. and it's only possible with ubc code. I understand, 7i80 support requires realtime ethernet, which requires rt-preempt or xenomai. I'm optimistic that the LinuxCNC developer community will continue to work on adding support for these realtime systems, and that when it's ready we will make another release that includes this support. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On 3 April 2014 15:26, Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. I have no idea what this means. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 04:26:41PM +0200, Michael Haberler wrote: We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. This is great! I wish the very best for both ongoing projects. Chris I must agree! Anything extending or enhancing is very positive. many thanks to all the developers and contributors you are greatly appreciated!!! Stuart -- Addressee is the intended audience. If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence. Thank you for honoring my wish. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On 3-4-2014 17:20, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 15:26, Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. I have no idea what this means. Progress (I hope). -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
I am just hoping that we see things move a lot faster than linuxcnc development. I moved away from linuxcnc many years ago to the other one But as soon as the beaglebone/machinekit was announced i thought wow things are moving on. But unfortunately it seems this is not the case. I remember complaining about the TP then, and it has not moved on at all. And i summize it still would not have, if it were not for Rob's code and Sam's Debugging. Anyway i am sure that this announcement will only make things better for everyone,just a shame it could not have been a bit more of a collaberation rather than two separate things. I am trying to give the linuxcnc/machinekit setup a fair crack of the whip but it really does seem to be held up by the inner circle of Linuxcnc developers. I still greatly appreciate The many developers on both projects but there does seem to be a total breakdown when it comes to collaberation. I am only an end user that want's to make chip's but at the end of the day that is what it is all about. So i say good luck to the new machinekit project and i will be following every step as usual. On 03/04/14 16:49, Bas Laarhoven wrote: On 3-4-2014 17:20, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 15:26, Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. I have no idea what this means. Progress (I hope). -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On 3 April 2014 17:34, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: I am trying to give the linuxcnc/machinekit setup a fair crack of the whip but it really does seem to be held up by the inner circle of Linuxcnc developers. Who do you imagine this Inner Circle is? Can you have a circle of one? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
Judging by what is being said and from what i have seen Yes On 03/04/14 17:47, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 17:34, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: I am trying to give the linuxcnc/machinekit setup a fair crack of the whip but it really does seem to be held up by the inner circle of Linuxcnc developers. Who do you imagine this Inner Circle is? Can you have a circle of one? -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
I am a circle of one! :) If I want something bad enough I either pay to have it done OR do it myself. :) Just saying Stuart On Apr 3, 2014 11:50 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2014 17:34, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: I am trying to give the linuxcnc/machinekit setup a fair crack of the whip but it really does seem to be held up by the inner circle of Linuxcnc developers. Who do you imagine this Inner Circle is? Can you have a circle of one? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:45:15 +0200, you wrote: As much as we all want the big features, not one of us who use and test the Master branch on a regular basis has seen any of these for general use or testing. I for one cannot wait to get the new TP but I will not use it in any installation before it has been tested by myself and a lot of other users. Unfortunately there are many lurkers and lesser informed people out there that spread rumours about things that are not to be. I had a tensed discussion with an unsuspecting user two days ago that insisted that the new TP will be in the release. So I will support the merger of these major features into the master branch as soon as possible so we can start testing :) But I also support the notion that untested stuff does not go for release until tested. It will NEVER get tested sufficiently hiding away in something you have to jump through hoops to get. I was very vociferous about broken CV / TP years ago, nothing happened - now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. I suspect a lot of other prospective users wont bother testing either because, like me, they are a machinist, not a Linux guru. Nothings changed, decision's all down to one or two guys who seem to go out of their way to delay, prevaricate and dream up excuses why we shouldn't rather than why we should. Steve Blackmore -- -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 11:54:26 -0500, you wrote: I am a circle of one! :) If I want something bad enough I either pay to have it done OR do it myself. :) :) Done that to some extent here Stuart, abandoned Mach and Linux for Bert Edings offering - it's based heavily on LinuxCNC code but amazingly jog while paused and CV/TP work fine and have done for some time. I'm still stuck lathe wise though, I may just have to bite the bullet and get a Siemens or Fanuc control otherwise I may well be in the grave before it gets released here or Mach 4 turn materialises. Steve Blackmore -- -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Long Term Release - was Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Regarding the 2.6 branch (thank you) and the new tp (thank you) and the machine kit (thank you); How about a 2.6 stable release, and a 2.7-pre1 release, that has the newer features, maybe not bleeding edge, but fairly stable? Ubuntu does this quite well, from my experience. That would keep the stable versions out there, but allow people to push the envelope without becoming a LinuxCNC guru. Put the TP into 2.7-pre-1, and whatever else is deemed to be of general interest, and put it out as may break your machine - use with caution type of release. I'd be more than happy testing a 2.7-pre1 release, for instance, to give a broader feedback to you great developers. (another thank you) Just my 0.02c Canadian. JohnS. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
Steve; I'm still stuck lathe wise though, I may just have to bite the bullet and get a Siemens or Fanuc control otherwise I may well be in the grave before it gets released here or Mach 4 turn materialises. I thought the new Tormach lathe runs LinuxCNC? Or are the reports out there wrong? JohnS. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I have to agree here. The instructions to install is on the wiki and not hard to do. I have not used production release (2.5.3) for a long time. I only use and test on master. Once it is set up it is three commands and you running On 2014-04-03 21:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull form the branch to stay up to date. If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just leave it at that. Have a look here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote: Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On 04/03/2014 12:03 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Steve; I'm still stuck lathe wise though, I may just have to bite the bullet and get a Siemens or Fanuc control otherwise I may well be in the grave before it gets released here or Mach 4 turn materialises. I thought the new Tormach lathe runs LinuxCNC? Or are the reports out there wrong? There might be a hint here at the bottom of the page: http://www.tormach.com/lathe_specs.html -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On Thursday 03 April 2014 15:25:49 Steve Blackmore did opine: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 11:54:26 -0500, you wrote: I am a circle of one! :) If I want something bad enough I either pay to have it done OR do it myself. :) :) Done that to some extent here Stuart, abandoned Mach and Linux for Bert Edings offering - it's based heavily on LinuxCNC code but amazingly jog while paused and CV/TP work fine and have done for some time. I'm still stuck lathe wise though, I may just have to bite the bullet and get a Siemens or Fanuc control otherwise I may well be in the grave before it gets released here or Mach 4 turn materialises. Steve Blackmore What is the holdup Steve? Admittedly I have had to reinvent some wheels, and my .hal file is almost 300 LOC, but its working well enough to run the G76 for either internal threads or external, and while I see a bug when trying to write a peck cycle wrapper for G33.1 rigid tapping, that also is working for _most_ values of working. The bug is that my homing routine, which works by electrical contact with a gauge I set on the ways, with its left face touching the chuck jaws, and which also sets the left z limit about 5 thou short of carving on the chuck jaws (with that tool mounted), this limit is honored while doing the G33.1, so as the tap is being driven into the pre-drilled hole, which is usually going to be left of the chuck face, so it stops at the z limit while the spindle continues on for 1 to 4 turns, either pulling the tap in two, or pulling it out of the holder jamming it back in. For something like that, G33.1 needs to disable the limit. Perhaps an optional argument switch could be added? Unforch, hal show config does not expose a pin or signal to allow that to be done. :( No problem as long as I have enough stickout, but that seems easy enough to forget. Can you describe your lathe? Spindle speed direction control in particular? Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 April 2014 20:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. I do think that falls into the Linux Guru category though. Setting up an alternative software source (which I haven't found any problems with) is only a small extension of the normal way of getting software. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On 04/03/2014 12:46 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: On 04/03/2014 12:03 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Steve; I'm still stuck lathe wise though, I may just have to bite the bullet and get a Siemens or Fanuc control otherwise I may well be in the grave before it gets released here or Mach 4 turn materialises. I thought the new Tormach lathe runs LinuxCNC? Or are the reports out there wrong? There might be a hint here at the bottom of the page: http://www.tormach.com/lathe_specs.html A little bit more here: http://www.tormach.com/blog/tormach-lathe-update-winter-2014/ -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Marius You have missed the point. I also run master from the git repository. But master fom the buildbot does not work correctly for me (wrong keys when updating). Which means i had to install from git and as steve said only the linux adept can get it. It is a case of oh load that version from here,but if you want that particular part to work you have to load it from another place. Oh and that place is a git to get it from On 03/04/14 20:31, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull form the branch to stay up to date. If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just leave it at that. Have a look here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote: Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ (BTW, I found that by googling how to get linuxcnc master branch) Agreed. Doing git and compiling falls under linux guru. But even I can follow the above instructions. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:01 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2014 20:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. I do think that falls into the Linux Guru category though. Setting up an alternative software source (which I haven't found any problems with) is only a small extension of the normal way of getting software. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
I might add the developers and other contributors were very helpful when I asked for help on any subject related to LinuxCNC. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On 04/03/2014 12:03 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote: Steve; I'm still stuck lathe wise though, I may just have to bite the bullet and get a Siemens or Fanuc control otherwise I may well be in the grave before it gets released here or Mach 4 turn materialises. I thought the new Tormach lathe runs LinuxCNC? Or are the reports out there wrong? There might be a hint here at the bottom of the page: http://www.tormach.com/lathe_specs.html -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Addressee is the intended audience. If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence. Thank you for honoring my wish. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Mark, I sure identify with you on your frustration. The first time to attempt a download is fraught with horror. Ask your questions - someone will help with an answer - you will get there. Simple questions get simple answers. One subject/question at a time will get you there a lot quicker than attempting to see the bottom of the rabbit hole on the first day. BTDT - I have the t-shirt - in fact I have the entire wardrobe! :) thanks Stuart On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Marius You have missed the point. I also run master from the git repository. But master fom the buildbot does not work correctly for me (wrong keys when updating). Which means i had to install from git and as steve said only the linux adept can get it. It is a case of oh load that version from here,but if you want that particular part to work you have to load it from another place. Oh and that place is a git to get it from On 03/04/14 20:31, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull form the branch to stay up to date. If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just leave it at that. Have a look here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote: Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Addressee is the intended audience. If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence. Thank you for honoring my wish. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Hi everyone! On 04/03/2014 05:15 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: On 4/2/14 15:56 , Michał Geszkiewicz wrote: Hi Seb, Hi Michal, [... some flaming ...] Additionally realtime ethernet is what could make linuxcnc project competitive with industrial cnc controllers. and it's only possible with ubc code. I understand, 7i80 support requires realtime ethernet, which requires rt-preempt or xenomai. I'm optimistic that the LinuxCNC developer community will continue to work on adding support for these realtime systems, and that when it's ready we will make another release that includes this support. Why is rt-preempt or Xenomai required for realtime ethernet? I'm running a machine with a homebrew board connected over a realtime UDP connection for a few months now without any problems. LinuxCNC handles the user frontend (AXIS with a custom panel), G-Code processing, and so on and talks to the board through a HAL module. This module is based mainly on the code from the RT-8p8c project (https://code.google.com/p/rt-8p8c/) and therefore uses RTnet (http://www.rtnet.org/) for the underlying stuff. I'm not using RTnet's TDMA facilities but standard UDP packets, as the PC has a dedicated NIC with only a straight cable to the board (which I'd recommend anyways, do not let a switch ruin the deterministic latency). The installation is just plain (X)Ubuntu 12.04 (10.04 does work as well, but I needed some of the newer packages for other things) with the LinuxCNC installation. No custom kernel or anything like this. Anyways, I probably just talk of a different thing than you. Regards, Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
On 3 April 2014 21:09, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ Yes, though you can add the same info to the package manager in the GUI. In Lucid you can find Synaptic from the Administration menu. In Precise this is probably most easily done (because Unity is just strange) by: Click Dash Home and look for Synaptic using the search box. (blame Canonical for that one, not LinuxCNC). (You might also need to install Synaptic from the Ubuntu Software Centre. I hadn't realised that) In the package manager select Settings - Repositories - other software and Add. Then paste the required line from buildbot.linuxcnc.org I just tried this and got a sim version on Precise-64. The RT version wouldn't install without the RT kernel. (itself available using: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. (You can use the deb line in the Package Manager gui, but it doesn't like that it is unsigned, and the GUI key manager wants a file) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] probe program
A requirement has popped up for digitizing an object, so I started looking for a sample program to adapt. There is one reference in the wiki to a program called emcProbe, which is dated 2005. No (at least on the first few pages) references to that program show up on internet searches, and no alternatives show up in the wiki or on the forum. Is there a sanctioned sample probe program anywhere in the LCNC universe? Or is someone willing to share a program? Thanks in advance -ldw -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
For those wanting to install LinuxCNC on Precise 12.04, search the old messages in the emc-users list for messages with this subject line: LinuxCNC on Ubuntu Precise 12.04 with RTAI Seb made the announcement of a way to install this months ago and it worked well except for a couple of issues that I ran into that I sent back to the list in an email.So whoever wants to install LinuxCNC on 12.04 can do it NOW. No excuses. Read the message string first, then do the install. I'm no Linux Guru (although a wannabe), but there is plenty of information out there on how to do a git pull and compile of the master. Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity. Someone smoked too much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did Unity. Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to install it. (A glaring ommision ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. Already figured out. The how to is in the same message string that I mentioned above. This list is a huge wealth of information. (Thanks everyone! :-) Here is a hint on how to get by the fear of screwing up when it comes to LinuxCNC; Once you get something running, or you make significant progress, make a backup of your systems hard drive! That way if you fat finger a command and screw things up, you can revert to what you had before and not lose your work. If you are a Newbie, and fear DD (as I did originally) then pull the hard drive and use a Windows machine to image the hard drive contents to another drive. The windows program called R-Drive Image works fine to backup Linux disks. It is as easy to use as Acronis. A full image backup of LinuxCNC installed on 12.04 takes about 10 minutes.A restore takes about the same amount of time. Dave On 4/3/2014 4:45 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 21:09, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ Yes, though you can add the same info to the package manager in the GUI. In Lucid you can find Synaptic from the Administration menu. In Precise this is probably most easily done (because Unity is just strange) by: Click Dash Home and look for Synaptic using the search box. (blame Canonical for that one, not LinuxCNC). (You might also need to install Synaptic from the Ubuntu Software Centre. I hadn't realised that) In the package manager select Settings - Repositories - other software and Add. Then paste the required line from buildbot.linuxcnc.org I just tried this and got a sim version on Precise-64. The RT version wouldn't install without the RT kernel. (itself available using: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. (You can use the deb line in the Package Manager gui, but it doesn't like that it is unsigned, and the GUI key manager wants a file) -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project
On 04/03/2014 09:26 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. Machinekit is an overhaul of the real-time and glue infrastructure which supports LinuxCNC. Machinekit is intended to be broadly applicable to real-time control applications. Non-CNC systems such as general automation and robotics are potential target applications for Machinekit, as is more traditional CNC machine control. Messaging API support to enable distributed operation across a broad range of platforms including tablets, traditional desktop machines, and embedded systems has progressed considerably and shows first results [4][5][6]. Machinekit will be based on the unified-binary code from the start. The intent is to adopt innovation at a rapid pace while remaining a stable baseline, enable wider adoption by simplifying usage and the contribution process, as well as providing the lowest cost realtime control application supporting ubiquitous UI hardware. Active community involvement is a critical part of our vision for this peer project so we are adopting the Collective Code Construction Contract (C4) [7]. Our desire is to make it easy for anyone to contribute to the project and to provide objective guidelines for the acceptance and merging of changes. For an excellent discussion of the C4 contract rationale and building a community around an open source project, see Chapter 6 of the 0MQ guide [8]. Sincerely, The Machinekit team members: Michael Haberler John Morris Charles Steinkuehler Kent Reed Alexander Rössler Congratulations Thank You, Best of success to your project. I wish the same for the LinuxCNC crew. You have all done remarkable work. TomP (tjtr33) -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] probe program
On Thursday 03 April 2014 22:01:14 lloyd wilson did opine: A requirement has popped up for digitizing an object, so I started looking for a sample program to adapt. There is one reference in the wiki to a program called emcProbe, which is dated 2005. No (at least on the first few pages) references to that program show up on internet searches, and no alternatives show up in the wiki or on the forum. Is there a sanctioned sample probe program anywhere in the LCNC universe? Or is someone willing to share a program? Thanks in advance -ldw Most such time killers are generally written by whoever has the itch, Lloyd. How long it takes is a function of the grid resolution you want, and to some extent the type of probe used. The only one I wrote was to copy the faces of a rifle magazine floor plate for an old P17 of mine that I thought might be a little easier to carry afield if I made an alu floor plate, thereby lightening a 14 lb monster to 13 lbs 15 oz. About a week into the project I balanced the books and the pieces are still in the shop drawer, in the white. I could carry one less spare round and lighten the load about the same, for a P.O. Ackley-06. Never needed more than 3 anyway that time was because I needed a sighter shot at 640 yards. I put the 2nd and 3rd rounds through him about 2 apart. He ate well. Nice rack too, wish I still had it. I still have the P17, but its due for the 2nd new barrel since then, 4000 rounds a barrel usually, but this one has some rust pits near the muzzle so its well on its way to another new Douglas now, but I'm about wore out too as I come up on 80yo this fall, so I'll likely let one of my boys worry about it. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I was not a linux person before I found linuxcnc (emc2 at the time). It was an unknown. (and I work in computers). After playing with linuxcnc for a while - I dual-booted my laptop between linuxcnc (ubuntu 6.04 iirc) and XP. Well - I started booting into windows less and less. I got the new laptop - installed the latest ubuntu LTS (12.04 at the time) dual booting between windows 7 and linux. Well - by that time - I rarely booted into windows. I thought unity was crap originally - but thought I would give it a go. I actually like it now.. (don't make fun). A lot of my testing is done on this laptop - I just got a SSD and decided to give 14.04lts a try. http://imagebin.org/303217 Didn't even install window nativly on the drive.. All linux. (I do have a few virtual machines that I use when needed..) http://imagebin.org/303503 So far (even though it isn't officially realeased until the middle of april) - I love it. This laptop - which alway ran way too hot - runs cool. Everything I have installed/transferred from 12.04 runs.. It too will be a good linuxcnc distro. It wasn't painful at all to install linuxcnc simulator on it. (which did suprise me - but all the work has made things easier..) (Hi - my name is sam - happy linuxcnc user) :) BTW - the unity 'synaptic package manager' is the ubuntu software center. (acts the same) sam On 04/03/2014 10:07 PM, Dave Cole wrote: For those wanting to install LinuxCNC on Precise 12.04, search the old messages in the emc-users list for messages with this subject line: LinuxCNC on Ubuntu Precise 12.04 with RTAI Seb made the announcement of a way to install this months ago and it worked well except for a couple of issues that I ran into that I sent back to the list in an email.So whoever wants to install LinuxCNC on 12.04 can do it NOW. No excuses. Read the message string first, then do the install. I'm no Linux Guru (although a wannabe), but there is plenty of information out there on how to do a git pull and compile of the master. Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity. Someone smoked too much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did Unity. Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to install it. (A glaring ommision ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. Already figured out. The how to is in the same message string that I mentioned above. This list is a huge wealth of information. (Thanks everyone! :-) Here is a hint on how to get by the fear of screwing up when it comes to LinuxCNC; Once you get something running, or you make significant progress, make a backup of your systems hard drive! That way if you fat finger a command and screw things up, you can revert to what you had before and not lose your work. If you are a Newbie, and fear DD (as I did originally) then pull the hard drive and use a Windows machine to image the hard drive contents to another drive. The windows program called R-Drive Image works fine to backup Linux disks. It is as easy to use as Acronis. A full image backup of LinuxCNC installed on 12.04 takes about 10 minutes.A restore takes about the same amount of time. Dave On 4/3/2014 4:45 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 21:09, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ Yes, though you can add the same info to the package manager in the GUI. In Lucid you can find Synaptic from the Administration menu. In Precise this is probably most easily done (because Unity is just strange) by: Click Dash Home and look for Synaptic using the search box. (blame Canonical for that one, not LinuxCNC). (You might also need to install Synaptic from the Ubuntu Software Centre. I hadn't realised that) In the package manager select Settings - Repositories - other software and Add. Then paste the required line from buildbot.linuxcnc.org I just tried this and got a sim version on Precise-64. The RT version wouldn't install without the RT kernel. (itself available using: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise ) But that seems to require linux-guru work to set up the key. (You can use the deb line in the Package Manager gui, but it doesn't like that it is unsigned, and the GUI key manager wants a file) -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Tool changer
Thanks for all the help everyone gave me getting my rack toolchanger going. It's working well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mwmas6hFRQ -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Tool changer
What spindle is that? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Rod Fitzsimmons Frey rodf...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for all the help everyone gave me getting my rack toolchanger going. It's working well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mwmas6hFRQ -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Tool changer
It's a no-name Chinese spindle I got from alibaba.com. 24000 RPM, 1.5kW, ISO20 toolholders, water cooled. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.comwrote: What spindle is that? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Rod Fitzsimmons Frey rodf...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the help everyone gave me getting my rack toolchanger going. It's working well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mwmas6hFRQ -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] probe program
On 04/03/2014 07:12 PM, lloyd wilson wrote: A requirement has popped up for digitizing an object, so I started looking for a sample program to adapt. There is one reference in the wiki to a program called emcProbe, which is dated 2005. No (at least on the first few pages) references to that program show up on internet searches, and no alternatives show up in the wiki or on the forum. Is there a sanctioned sample probe program anywhere in the LCNC universe? In the nc_files directory there's a sample program called gridprobe.ngc that might be useful as a starting place for you. The comment at the top says: ( This program repeatedly probes in a regular XY grid and writes the) ( probed location to the file 'probe-results.txt' in the same directory ) ( as the .ini file ) I've never run it... Give it a try and let us know if you get it to work! -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
Mark I also only ever run from the master. I dont use the buildbot since I found it to be unreliable some time ago. It might have bee fixed by now but it is not my preferred method. I dont usually install from git unless it is a special case to test. Hence my request to Seb to get the new stuff into the master so that more of us can get to test it. But I do understand the guru issue although I think it is more of a problem because people are historically scared of linux. There's an old saying Nothing ventured nothing gained. It is not as hard as what you think once you get to know it. We are never to old to learn and learning is the only resistance to getting senile. :) On 2014-04-03 22:07, Mark Tucker wrote: Marius You have missed the point. I also run master from the git repository. But master fom the buildbot does not work correctly for me (wrong keys when updating). Which means i had to install from git and as steve said only the linux adept can get it. It is a case of oh load that version from here,but if you want that particular part to work you have to load it from another place. Oh and that place is a git to get it from On 03/04/14 20:31, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull form the branch to stay up to date. If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just leave it at that. Have a look here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote: Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch
I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :) On 2014-04-03 22:01, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 20:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. I do think that falls into the Linux Guru category though. Setting up an alternative software source (which I haven't found any problems with) is only a small extension of the normal way of getting software. -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
