Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread TJoseph Powderly
555 ( hahaha in Thai ) no! use old hammond organ for that buzzy sound reminds me of herbie hancock 'rockit' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHhD4PD75zY tomp On 03/21/2016 01:50 AM, bari wrote: > It sounds like it's more fun than practical. My Android phone hardly > works as a phone. I can't imagin

Re: [Emc-users] 64 bit question

2016-03-20 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 03/20/2016 04:18 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 20 March 2016 16:12:00 Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > >> On 03/20/2016 12:50 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Greetings all; >>> >>> I have an impending amanda drive failure, and my browsers are all >>> suffering from a lack of 32 bit support to boo

Re: [Emc-users] 64 bit question

2016-03-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 20 March 2016 16:12:00 Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > On 03/20/2016 12:50 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I have an impending amanda drive failure, and my browsers are all > > suffering from a lack of 32 bit support to boot, so I am finally > > considering installing a 6

Re: [Emc-users] 64 bit question

2016-03-20 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 03/20/2016 12:50 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > I have an impending amanda drive failure, and my browsers are all > suffering from a lack of 32 bit support to boot, so I am finally > considering installing a 64 bit debian jessie. > > Can I still run the sim axis version on that

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
Then it come to telephones real buttons are at an advantage then dialing. The touch screen is however nice for other purposes. On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:50:44 -0500 bari wrote: > It sounds like it's more fun than practical. My Android phone hardly > works as a phone. I can't imagine using it to

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
It might also be as simple as company selling BBB employ people to make it work well on their hardware. I got the impression BBB is good hardware for 3D printers and similar. For a CNC machine with an computer screen I am however not sure. On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:19:07 + Ralph Stirling wro

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
Micro controllers with SPI or UART is the cheap stuff for control of switches for servo motors. Ether with or without cat is the expensive stuff at least compared to the cost of a cheap micro controller. One important point is also communication distances within a CNC machine is usually short.

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
Same problem as ordinary software except the emergency stop. I expect there would be big red hard wired button for emergency stop as usual. The problem solved is demand for GUI is same or at least similar as for other software. On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:57:18 -0500 bari wrote: > How real time

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> > > > I am thinking about split in two with real time threads on micro > > > > controller and the computer for the user interface. It would also be a > > > > flexible solution then it come to choice of user interface but require > > > > extra hardware. > > > > > > > > > > If I were designing this

[Emc-users] 64 bit question

2016-03-20 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all; I have an impending amanda drive failure, and my browsers are all suffering from a lack of 32 bit support to boot, so I am finally considering installing a 64 bit debian jessie. Can I still run the sim axis version on that? Or better yet, have you respun the install image for a

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/20/2016 12:02 PM, bari wrote: > How have they lowered the cost of the control and GUI hardware? > > Pololu-style drivers are under $5 from China, I use the 8825 version, good up to about 2 A at modest voltage. The CRAMPS board (that I make to Charles Steinkuehler's design) is $79.95, and m

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/20/2016 11:51 AM, Ralph Stirling wrote: > The MachineKit folk are a year or two ahead of you guys > in thinking about the distributed control approach. You > ought to go over to their site and study their roadmap in > detail before spending lots of time reinventing wheels again. > They use z

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/20/2016 11:57 AM, bari wrote: > How real time do you want the GUI? Is a few second lag behind the > machines state ok? How about E-stop or Start/Stop from the UI? What's > safe? 1 second max, 10 seconds? If you are milling while at the beach > miles away does it matter? What problem are we so

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread bari
It sounds like it's more fun than practical. My Android phone hardly works as a phone. I can't imagine using it to control a VMC. I'd like to see an old 60's TV as a GUI with a re-purposed Calliope used for a keyboard or similar. On 03/20/2016 12:19 PM, Ralph Stirling wrote: > I don't think the

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Ralph Stirling
I don't think their immediate focus is lowering cost, but in reorganizing the system for distributed modularity. The basic BBB implementation is pretty low cost, though, and is in use by a lot of people for 3d printing. They have a gui running on Android devices, so you can have a $40 BBB, a $70

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 03/16/2016 08:25 AM, W. Martinjak wrote: > It's emty. > > http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/wheezy/2.7-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/ > http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/wheezy/master-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/ We build and test on arm, but we currently don't produce debian packages. LinuxCNC 2.7 and

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread bari
How have they lowered the cost of the control and GUI hardware? I'd like to have a machine controller and GUI for less than the cost of a new low cost x86 PC and display. Is there a working BOM yet for this? On 03/20/2016 11:51 AM, Ralph Stirling wrote: > The MachineKit folk are a year or two ah

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread bari
How real time do you want the GUI? Is a few second lag behind the machines state ok? How about E-stop or Start/Stop from the UI? What's safe? 1 second max, 10 seconds? If you are milling while at the beach miles away does it matter? What problem are we solving? On 03/20/2016 02:10 AM, Nicklas K

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Ralph Stirling
The MachineKit folk are a year or two ahead of you guys in thinking about the distributed control approach. You ought to go over to their site and study their roadmap in detail before spending lots of time reinventing wheels again. They use zeromq and protobuf for communication between the various

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Nicklas Karlsson < nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am thinking about split in two with real time threads on micro > > > controller and the computer for the user interface. It would also be a > > > flexible solution then it come to choice of user inter

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> Preempt-RT will be mainlined into stock linux fairly soon now so its just > becomes a kernel config option but I doubt real time kernels will ever be > standard for common desktop distributions as they typically have > lower performance (excluding latency) than non RT kernels There exist nat

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Erik Friesen
FYI, the nxgen controller runs around $15K. On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:10 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 16 March 2016 at 15:52, W. Martinjak wrote: > > >> The problem with the Pi is that the obvious choice for IO, Ethernet, > >> is connected via the USB bus. > >> > > > > But SPI works well and in

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread andy pugh
On 16 March 2016 at 12:17, Erik Friesen wrote: > I have been doing some work with an i.mx6 of late, and wonder why the quad > couldn't do linuxcnc? It seems there is some obscure reason I read > somewhere. http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ Shows that we are building an armhf variant of LinuxCNC fo

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 20 March 2016 04:28:35 Gregg Eshelman wrote: > Somewhere back in the archives of thedailywtf.com is one about when > the company that wrote Wireshark got bought by another company. During > integration of the two companies systems, the Wireshark guys used it > to help sort things out, th

Re: [Emc-users] Rewire Question?

2016-03-20 Thread Todd Zuercher
Bringing back an older thread. Went to start ordering the things I need for the update and noticed that the conduit to the machine isn't big enough for the new wiring. Right now the 9 single phase circuits are run through two 3/4" conduits (4 in one 5 in the other). would it be a really bad i

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Gregg Eshelman
Somewhere back in the archives of thedailywtf.com is one about when the company that wrote Wireshark got bought by another company. During integration of the two companies systems, the Wireshark guys used it to help sort things out, then one day it and some of their other software tools were ban

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on arm

2016-03-20 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> > I am thinking about split in two with real time threads on micro > > controller and the computer for the user interface. It would also be a > > flexible solution then it come to choice of user interface but require > > extra hardware. > > > > If I were designing this in the current century (th