Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/23/2019 09:05 PM, Joe Hildreth wrote: Jon, I guess you just have to 'love' standards huh? heh. Not to give away my age, but the last 'standard' I tried to decipher was NAPLPS. Well, that was a well-defined standard that never seemed to go anywhere. Now, overlook my ignorance here, ple

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
Jon, I guess you just have to 'love' standards huh? heh. Not to give away my age, but the last 'standard' I tried to decipher was NAPLPS. Now, overlook my ignorance here, please. What boards do you make? Mesa boards? Joe - On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
Thank you Dave, I have it in the list. Joe > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 4:40 PM Dave Matthews wrote: >> >> This is what I am running. >> >> 03:06.0 Communication controller [0780]: MosChip Semiconductor >> Technology Ltd. PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller [9710:9835] (rev 01) >> >> It is a Rosewell (N

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
Andy, Thank you for follow up. I have them added to the list. One last question, are these all PCI cards? Joe > On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 21:03, Joe Hildreth > wrote: > > Vendor ID: 1415 > Device ID: 8403 > Chipset: OX9162 > Manufacturer: Oxford Semiconductor > Model: PCI-1284 > Notes: Works

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/23/2019 11:21 AM, Joe Hildreth wrote: Jon, I make boards that use the parallel port as a communications channel for motion control. These use the IEEE-1284 (EPP) mode for faster communication. How do you test if a card works properly in EPP mode? This would be good information to add t

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 April 2019 18:59:22 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 03:25, bari wrote: > > The RTAI.org stuff is all beta and you're in for weeks of cleanup > > before it is stable. > > So, RTAI 5.1 is Beta? More like alpha. The real work today is being done on the linux-rt list. > > Is

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-23 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
If you need height clearance for a cross shaft, mount the shaft up high and run 1:1 belts or roller chains down the ends. Or if the table is stiff enough to only need supports at the ends you can run the shaft under the table, and have the racks on the bottom so dust and crud can't fall into the

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-23 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Rack teeth are easy to machine because they have straight sides to mesh with involute gear teeth. Another method like using the belt is a roller chain stretched between anchor points and looped under two idlers and over a drive sprocket between and above or below the idlers. With any rack or ra

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 03:25, bari wrote: > The RTAI.org stuff is all beta and you're in for weeks of cleanup before > it is stable. So, RTAI 5.1 is Beta? Is there a stable version that runs with any 4.xx kernel? -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed

[Emc-users] Vacuum bed for router Re: Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-23 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
On Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 2:06:27 AM MDT, Les Newell wrote: What sort of work are you going to use this router for? If you are processing sheet materials I would strongly recommend using a vacuum bed. If you are using blanks, vacuum pods work well. Les Somewhere I saw a very clever design f

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Dave Matthews
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 4:40 PM Dave Matthews wrote: > > This is what I am running. > > 03:06.0 Communication controller [0780]: MosChip Semiconductor > Technology Ltd. PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller [9710:9835] (rev 01) > > It is a Rosewell (NewEgg brand). Looking through my order history it > lo

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 21:03, Joe Hildreth wrote: Vendor ID: 1415 Device ID: 8403 Chipset: OX9162 Manufacturer: Oxford Semiconductor Model: PCI-1284 Notes: Works well in EPP mode with Mesa 7i43 Vendor ID: 4651 Device ID: 5073 Chipset: PCI 60806A Manufacturer: Model: Notes: Does not work. May be

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Dave Matthews
This is what I am running. 03:06.0 Communication controller [0780]: MosChip Semiconductor Technology Ltd. PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller [9710:9835] (rev 01) It is a Rosewell (NewEgg brand). Looking through my order history it looks like I got it in 2009 and they still sell it. https://www.newegg

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
Thanks Andy. I should bite the bullet and scrape up a little money for some Mesa cards. They will be an excellent addition to the tutorial series. Joe - On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:52 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 17:24, Joe Hildreth > wrote: > >> How do

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 17:24, Joe Hildreth wrote: > How do you test if a card works properly in EPP mode? This would be good > information to add to the list for those using your hardware. I have tested by plugging it in to a Mesa 7i43. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium at

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Joe its PCI tomp On 04/23/2019 11:18 PM, Joe Hildreth wrote: Tomp, Perfect, the chipset is MCS9865IV and looking at the specification sheet looks like it can be configured in a number of formats. Since yours has a header available for the second PP and no UART populated I just listed it as 2

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
Jon, > I make boards that use the parallel port as a communications > channel for motion control. > These use the IEEE-1284 (EPP) mode for faster communication. How do you test if a card works properly in EPP mode? This would be good information to add to the list for those using your hardware.

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
Tomp, Perfect, the chipset is MCS9865IV and looking at the specification sheet looks like it can be configured in a number of formats. Since yours has a header available for the second PP and no UART populated I just listed it as 2 parallel ports. One last question and I will leave you alone.

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Joe On 04/23/2019 10:27 PM, Joe Hildreth wrote: Tomp, Can you give me the chipset ID and what IO the card has? (# Parallel Ports and # serial Ports) Joe lspci -vknn reports snip... 04:00.0 Parallel controller [0701]: NetMos Technology PCI 9865 Multi-I/O Controller [9710:9865] (prog-if 03 [I

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
Tomp, Can you give me the chipset ID and what IO the card has? (# Parallel Ports and # serial Ports) Joe - On Apr 22, 2019, at 10:49 PM, TJoseph Powderly tjt...@gmail.com wrote: > On 04/23/2019 10:07 AM, bari wrote: >> LSPCI >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lspci >> >> http://www.tuto

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 April 2019 10:47:29 bari wrote: > TheĀ  3.16.52 kernel is the latest kernel supported by > https://github.com/ntulinux/rtai and works with Stretch. > > The later RTAI.org is all beta and will takes weeks of work to be > stable. The main developer there does not want outside help and s

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-23 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
> > Since you're going to machine the 'rack', the type of belt is no longer an > issue in terms of profile matching. > But the advantage of your choice of HTD is that all you'll need is a ball > nose cutter to machine a mating profile. > Well, as I told Andy, I've been reading about the round prof

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
Jon, I have it added to the list, can you give me the chipset numbers? Joe - On Apr 22, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: > OK, so the Siig dual-port PCI card is 131f : 2021 > > I'll try to get some of the other IDs shortly. > > Jon > > > __

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 April 2019 10:05:45 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 14:59, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Since my only software stepper, the original micro HF being replaced > > by this 6040 headache has now been replaced with a 5i25/7i76D > > lashup, > > You should definitely switch to the pr

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-23 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
> > You are looking at reducers on Aliexpress, so why not use T5 belt from > the same source? Then you have the option of using the Servobelt > system or something else? > Incidentally, I have the correct gear hob for T5 timing belt so can > tooth custom sprockets if that helps. > https://www.youtu

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
> I make boards that use the parallel port as a communications > channel for motion control. > These use the IEEE-1284 (EPP) mode for faster communication. > > Right now, I'm selling the Syba SD-PEX10005 board with > MOSCHIP MCS9900CV-AA. > It appears that the MOSCHIP MCS9901 chips also work fine.

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Hildreth
> > I bought some parport cards from Amazon and eBay a while ago to do > something of a survey along these lines. > One turned out to be a SCSI card :-) > One turned out to need a driver download every restart (without which > it had an uncommitted generic IO chip. Which might potentially be a > r

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 15:49, bari wrote: > > The 3.16.52 kernel is the latest kernel supported by > https://github.com/ntulinux/rtai and works with Stretch. That may be the way forward then: 1) The existing and well-tested Stretch / Preempt-RT ISO as the recommended option for best hardware s

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread bari
TheĀ  3.16.52 kernel is the latest kernel supported by https://github.com/ntulinux/rtai and works with Stretch. The later RTAI.org is all beta and will takes weeks of work to be stable. The main developer there does not want outside help and seems to resent anyone that cleans up and fixes his code.

[Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-23 Thread Roland Jollivet
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 15:16, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > Well I think gluing a belt that long and wide with a proper jig or the > right equipment could be a pain in the ass so I'm thinking about what > Roland sugested. To machine the rack in wich the belt will be running. That > way I can guaran

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 14:59, Gene Heskett wrote: > Since my only software stepper, the original micro HF being replaced by > this 6040 headache has now been replaced with a 5i25/7i76D lashup, You should definitely switch to the preempt-RT Stretch version. But we still need a more up-to-date RT

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 April 2019 06:52:28 Rene Hopf via Emc-users wrote: > > On 23. Apr 2019, at 12:39, andy pugh wrote: > > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 11:37, andy pugh wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 03:25, bari wrote: > >>> If you want an RTAI kernel that just works with LCNC just use > >>> https:

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-23 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 14:16, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > The only thing that I need to decide yet is the belt profile for the > system, since I don't need the belts to fit into each other I can make the > racks with any profile. I'm thinking about using HTD or GT2 but that's not > decided yet.

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-23 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Well I think gluing a belt that long and wide with a proper jig or the right equipment could be a pain in the ass so I'm thinking about what Roland sugested. To machine the rack in wich the belt will be running. That way I can guarantee zero strecth and perfect engagament. I plan to make the racks

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 11:54, Rene Hopf via Emc-users wrote: > I dont understand whats wrong with stretch. I run all my machines with 64 bit > stretch. Which kernel? Which Realtime? -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechani

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread Rene Hopf via Emc-users
> On 23. Apr 2019, at 12:39, andy pugh wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 11:37, andy pugh wrote: >> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 03:25, bari wrote: >> >>> If you want an RTAI kernel that just works with LCNC just use >>> https://github.com/ntulinux/rtai for 3.16.52 kernel. > >> (Or maybe Jessi

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 11:37, andy pugh wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 03:25, bari wrote: > > > If you want an RTAI kernel that just works with LCNC just use > > https://github.com/ntulinux/rtai for 3.16.52 kernel. > (Or maybe Jessie, as that is LTS?) Hmm, and Jessie comes with 3.16. That mi

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-23 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 03:25, bari wrote: > If you want an RTAI kernel that just works with LCNC just use > https://github.com/ntulinux/rtai for 3.16.52 kernel. Does stretch work with that kernel? Also, some newer hardware is already struggling with Wheezy and it's as-shipped kernel. Moving to

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 April 2019 23:05:26 Jon Elson wrote: > On 04/22/2019 09:58 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 22 April 2019 22:03:21 Jon Elson wrote: > >> Sorry, I don't have the Vendor ID and Device ID's handy at > >> the moment. Is there a way to show this P&P info on a > >> running system? > >

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-23 Thread Les Newell
I quite like the servo belt idea but I think it needs pretty accurate clearance between the fixed and moving belts. Note that you can't clamp the fixed belt. Clamps cover the teeth. If I was doing this I'd look into polyurethane based adhesives. For instance the stuff they use to bond in car wi