Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Hi ! I think LinuxCNC is better ... look like many others say.. Just when searching on the web if i put Linux and cnc the result will be more top and first on Linuxcnc than EMC that's is a name acronym ... which is use more and more now... try it on google and see the result The lack is if in future it become runing on other OS... like Androïd... we could name LAMWB-CNC ( Linux Android Mac Win Beos CNC ) To clone the naming convention look like Lamp , Wamp ( linux,apache,mysql,php ; windows apache mysql php) So for starting just linux give LCNC and if add Androïd support become LACNC .. And after the name will becoming Universe-CNC... or UnivesalCNC ??? Or Multiver-CNC or MultosCNC Or Futur-CNC... or Infinite-CNC So Nice futur...to LinuxCNC... or ULinuxCNC for Universal Linux CNC... Have a nice day... Le jeudi 19 janvier 2012, Peter Blodow a écrit : Gentlemen, apparently this change is committed and fixed, so I'm not discussing the basic fact. This software and what belongs to it - a good documentation and a vivid community - is excellent, regardless of its name. I understand that people are angry about being bullied, but the proposed new name LinuxCNC seems to be an even better choice than the old one. Both of its constituents are self-explanatory which EMC, as I experienced, was not. At least, when friends asked me about my hobby activities I always had to describe what EMC literally meant and how it came about historically. I wasn't even sure if EMC or EMC2 was correct - one an acronym, the other a name, or what? Let's be happy with the new name and accept the sweet coincidence of system name and website name. I'd like to know just in time how to adjust my mail filters in order to get EMC mail into the right mailbox. Peter Blodow Chris Radek schrieb: In the spring of 2011, the LinuxCNC Board of Directors was contacted by a law firm representing EMC Corporation (www.emc.com) about the use of EMC and EMC2 to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org. EMC Corporation has registered various trademarks relating to EMC and EMC^2 (EMC with superscripted numeral two). After a number of conversations with the representative of EMC Corporation, the final result is that, starting with the next major release of the software, linuxcnc.org will stop identifying the software using emc or EMC, or those terms followed by digits. To the extent that the LinuxCNC Board of Directors controls the names used to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org, the board has agreed to this. As a result, it was necessary to choose a new name for the software. Of the options the board considered, there was consensus that LinuxCNC is the best option, as this has been our website's name for years. In preparation for the new name, we have received a sub-license of the LINUX(R) trademark from the Linux Foundation (http://www.linuxfoundation.org), protecting our use of the LinuxCNC name. (LINUX(R) is the registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in the U.S. and other countries.) The rebranding effort will include the linuxcnc.org website, the IRC channels, and versions of the software and documentation starting with 2.5.0. Rebranding will begin right away. If you like, you can help us by updating name references on the wiki (http://wiki.linuxcnc.org), or by contributing graphics such as a new splash screen image or a new cover for the manual. There is no need for anything like a legal defense fund or a letter writing campaign to the EMC Corporation. They have absolutely treated us with respect and they are not bad guys. We urge you to see this as an opportunity for the LinuxCNC project and for all users and contributors. Our new name clearly and concisely explains what the software is. The renaming process will create positive buzz about the project. Thank you for your continuing support of the LinuxCNC project. Yours, The LinuxCNC Board of Directors: Jeff Epler Alex Joni John Kasunich Stephen Wille Padnos Chris Radek - - Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users --- --- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3,
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: In the spring of 2011, the LinuxCNC Board of Directors was contacted by a law firm representing EMC Corporation (www.emc.com) about the use of EMC and EMC2 to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org. EMC Corporation has registered various trademarks relating to EMC and EMC^2 (EMC with superscripted numeral two). After a number of conversations with the representative of EMC Corporation, the final result is that, starting with the next major release of the software, linuxcnc.org will stop identifying the software using emc or EMC, or those terms followed by digits. Since the EMC corporation is taking over the web links to EMC(2)?, are they going to extend us the courtesy of linking to LinuxCNC, in the customary form we are EMC but if you are looking for CNC it's at LinuxCNC? It'll be confusing if they didn't---right now, googling 'emc cnc' returns links to linuxCNC, and even 'emc' returns links to us on the first page. Did they commit to anything like that? -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Mach3 is relatively safe from attack. If I have learned anything from my years working with lawyers and the law system, it is that the law is applied in shades of gray. Very little is black and white. If Gillette launched a lawsuit against Mach3 with vigor they would likely win. Too often the entity with the biggest legal fund wins. Backup software is a long ways from CNC machine control. Their audience is not the general public. Look at what the EMC.com corp sells. Unless you are fluent in computers, you would have no way of identifying what their products actually do. The EMC corp was stretching to make a connection between their products and the EMC2 software. I see it as a cheap-easy shot. I think the EMC corporation should be ashamed of their actions. But apparently any debate is over, so we might as well move on and get back to it! The software isn't changing, just the name. Dave On 1/18/2012 8:21 PM, Mike Payson wrote: FWIW, Mach3 is relatively safe from attack. Trademarks apply to a particular domain only, and razor blades and software are quite different domain. In addition, there must be reasonable reason to believe that the consumer would be confused by the use of the term, and it is highly unlikely that anyone believes that Mach3 CNC controller is a product of Gillette. EMC was at risk because both organizations provide software, and there is a reasonable reason to expect the consumer to be confused. Honestly, I am surprised it took EMC this long to take action. LinucCNC is a good name. It has been the projects domain for ages. It is much more descriptive of what the software actually does than EMC (granted, Enhanced Machine Controller was descriptive, but how many people used the full name? How many users could not have even told you what EMC stood for?). It seems to me that, regardless of the motivation, the name change is actually a positive change for the community. There are plenty of real bad things to worry about in the world, and on the grand scale of injustices, this one is pretty trivial. My two cents, lets run with the new name and all the free publicity that will come along with the changeover and work on making LinuxCNC a better program. On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jack Coatsj...@coats.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Seeing that EMC2 has been stung by the EMC Corporation for trademark infringment, why isn't Gillette pursuing Mach3 CNC ??? Or is it only a matter of time? Open projects and individuals are easy targets. A friend had 'Penguin.com' for several years, then Penguin Books sent him a letter and told him to turn it over to them without compensation. Scared him enough, so he did. Deep pockets could have fought and probably won, but IMHO the software is the focus not the name. The name is just nice to keep the same for continuity sake. It also lets big companies think that they can get away with whatever they want. But unless someone is willing to pay to fight in court, it doesn't matter. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
It should be obvious to anyone that PC software and razors are entirely unrelated. Apparently you use only high quality software.. for low quality software it is advisable to keep all sharp and pointy objects (such as razors) away from a user for their own protection ;-) So there you go... I just made a logical connection between PC software and razors... I know, I know... I should have been a lawyer. :-) Dave On 1/18/2012 7:57 PM, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: I know it's tongue-in-cheek, but since several people have mentioned this I thought I'd reply. EMC corp has a trademark in a very related field. I don't recall the specific area, but it had to do with computer hardware and a particular area of computer software (backup most likely). Though we as a group understand the differences, it may seem related or the same to a non-expert observer. It should be obvious to anyone that PC software and razors are entirely unrelated. I hope this helps. - Steve Davee...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Seeing that EMC2 has been stung by the EMC Corporation for trademark infringment, why isn't Gillette pursuing Mach3 CNC ??? Or is it only a matter of time? On 1/18/2012 3:05 PM, dave wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:46:01 -0500 Kent A. Reedknbr...@erols.com wrote: On 1/18/2012 2:39 PM, Jack Coats wrote: Open Machine Controller or OpenCNC would have been better name. Still holding out hope that the software could be supported on different platforms. For now, LinuxCNC is the monniker. At least it isn't GNUCNC Or, in classic Unix fashion, YACNC. Just to be picky ... yacnc Dave But I really like your pun. yes, at times this group can be pretty punny. Regards, Kent -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
I love the 'LinuxCNC' software! I love the 'LinuxCNC' software! I love the 'LinuxCNC' software! I love the 'LinuxCNC' software! I love the 'LinuxCNC' software! I love the 'LinuxCNC' software! I love the 'LinuxCNC' software! I love the 'LinuxCNC' software! I don't care what we call it - just keep it going did I mention? I love the 'LinuxCNC' software! thanks Stuart -- dos centavos -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 18/01/2012 16:28, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: It's no good, we'd just get sued by the Large Magellanic Cloud… Who are they going to sue in an open source project - the developers ( who are they? anyone who has ever mage any alteration to the software? ), everyone who usues the software? or who? Ian -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
I am not fond of the LinuxCNC name. I like Andy Pugh have had fond hopes of someday getting EMC2 to run on MacOS (unix instead of Linux). It seems to me unlikely that the trademark for EMC should have ever been granted absent a qualification based on font expression, color etc. However, coulda, shoulda, and woulda aside, Linux is free and runs on lots of hardware, MacOS is not free and runs on relatively expensive hardware. I have come to enjoy working with my Linux boxes and I definitely like the LinuxCNC software. Maybe we should get over the unfairness of the problem and drive on with making LinuxCNC the best CNC controller software on the planet (assuming that it isn't already that???). I used to practice law and my general opinion is that lawsuits generally benefit no-one but the lawyers (win or lose). That is not the way that I would choose to spend my time. Alan --- Alan Condit 1085 Tierra Ct. Woodburn, OR 97071 Email -- acon...@ipns.com Home-Office (503) 982-0906 -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012, Ian W. Wright wrote: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:55:30 + From: Ian W. Wright watchma...@talktalk.net Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller On 18/01/2012 16:28, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: It's no good, we'd just get sued by the Large Magellanic Cloud… Who are they going to sue in an open source project - the developers ( who are they? anyone who has ever mage any alteration to the software? ), everyone who usues the software? or who? Ian No telling who a Large Magellanic Cloud might sue :-) Peter Wallace -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:57:31 -0800 Alan Condit acon...@ipns.com wrote: I am not fond of the LinuxCNC name. I like Andy Pugh have had fond hopes of someday getting EMC2 to run on MacOS (unix instead of Linux). It seems to me unlikely that the trademark for EMC should have ever been granted absent a qualification based on font expression, color etc. However, coulda, shoulda, and woulda aside, Linux is free and runs on lots of hardware, MacOS is not free and runs on relatively expensive hardware. I have come to enjoy working with my Linux boxes and I definitely like the LinuxCNC software. Maybe we should get over the unfairness of the problem and drive on with making LinuxCNC the best CNC controller software on the planet (assuming that it isn't already that???). I used to practice law and my general opinion is that lawsuits generally benefit no-one but the lawyers (win or lose). That is not the way that I would choose to spend my time. Alan --- The is NOTHING lawyers like better than two parties that have money and want to fight. Dave Alan Condit 1085 Tierra Ct. Woodburn, OR 97071 Email -- acon...@ipns.com Home-Office (503) 982-0906 -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 01/19/2012 11:35 AM, dave wrote: The is NOTHING lawyers like better than two parties that have money and want to fight. Dave Exactly! I have told people getting divorced a similar thing - the only ones who ever wins a divorce are the lawyers. This is sort of a hidden blessing anyway - LinuxCNC is really a better name. I originally had trouble finding EMC2 - my google search for - Linux CNC - came up with other hits.. Now it returns a much better hit. Lawsuits are mostly a game of chicken played at speeds approaching $1000/hour.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 The reason pragmatism is so evil, is that there is never just a single compromise of principals. The first compromise always causes many unintended problems each requesting further compromise. This explains our foreign policy: In supporting the dictatorship of Saudi Arabia, the US has gone down a trail, one pragmatic step at a time, that led to the practice of torture. -kps -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 19/01/2012 16:20, Peter C. Wallace wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012, Ian W. Wright wrote: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:55:30 + From: Ian W. Wright watchma...@talktalk.net Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller On 18/01/2012 16:28, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: It's no good, we'd just get sued by the Large Magellanic Cloud… Who are they going to sue in an open source project - the developers ( who are they? anyone who has ever mage any alteration to the software? ), everyone who usues the software? or who? Ian No telling who a Large Magellanic Cloud might sue :-) Peter Wallace Hi Peter, Since I wrote a couple of bits of code way back, do you think they might extradite me to the US - I could do with a holiday Ian -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Ed wrote: Kent A. Reed wrote: No telling who a Large Magellanic Cloud might sue :-) Peter Wallace With our luck they'll just build a hyperspatial express route through our neighborhood, knowing that actions speak louder than words. Nah, they'd just lob a supernova into our solar system, and EVERYTHING would be gone. Of course, galactic collisions take billions of years to happen. Jon -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Chris Radek wrote: As a result, it was necessary to choose a new name for the software. Of the options the board considered, there was consensus that LinuxCNC is the best option, as this has been our website's name for years. This does seem to be something of a mouthful ... Did nobody consider simply 'LMC' Linux Machine Controller ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
I would have expected some public discussion about new names etc before a final decision From when I went to get a trade mark it only covers an area this allows multiple entities to own the same letters. Dave Caroline On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Chris Radek wrote: As a result, it was necessary to choose a new name for the software. Of the options the board considered, there was consensus that LinuxCNC is the best option, as this has been our website's name for years. This does seem to be something of a mouthful ... Did nobody consider simply 'LMC' Linux Machine Controller ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 18.01.12 16:39, Geoff wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:16:13 pm Chris Radek wrote: In the spring of 2011, the LinuxCNC Board of Directors was contacted by a law firm representing EMC Corporation (www.emc.com) about the use of EMC and EMC2 to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org. EMC Corporation has registered various trademarks relating to EMC and EMC^2 (EMC with superscripted numeral two). After a number of conversations with the representative of EMC Corporation, the final result is that, starting with the next major release of the software, linuxcnc.org will stop identifying the software using emc or EMC, or those terms followed by digits. To the extent that the LinuxCNC Board of Directors controls the names used to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org, the board has agreed to this. This could get interesting. I just did a company search for companies named EMC here in Australia. There are 3 named EMC or a variation of that. There are 108 entries containing the word EMC. I;'d love to see results from Europe and Japan et al. The claim seems spurious, even in USA. It would have no standing in Australia, despite the Trade-Free Agreement, AIUI. It's not as if our name is EMC. It is Enhanced Machine Control. In a dispute, that is what would have to be objected to, and forbidding the English speaking world from using abbreviations seems ambitious. Enrico Caruso could not legitimately have complained that Erik Christiansen conflicts with his name, just because of the initials. The objection is so preposterously ludicrous that it seems offensive to logic to submit. However, it's not me who would have to endure all the lawyer's letters. What a pity that we aren't constituted in another country. Then the loony litigators could go hop. Erik -- Schwimmer gegen den Strom dürfen nicht erwarten, daß dieser seine Richtung ändert. - Stanislaw Jerzy Lec (eig. S. J. de Tusch-Letz) Swimmwers against the stream may not expect that it will change its direction. - My translation. (German version snaffled from a post by Christian Brabandt) -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 18.01.12 09:06, Dave Caroline wrote: I would have expected some public discussion about new names etc before a final decision Yes, but it was probably frustrating enough to haggle with the litigious lot, without becoming the meat in a sandwich. After we've all blown off steam, I kinda figure we'd rather get back to making swarf or fiddling with Opto-interrupters. (A rose by any name ... ) From when I went to get a trade mark it only covers an area this allows multiple entities to own the same letters. Yes, if a corporation could deny others the right to any name, whether a thousand characters long, which had the same initials, and it actually were international law, then there could only be 17576 companies in the English-speaking world with three word names. Look at the fancy font used by General Electric. That's to differentiate themselves from Greasy Earwax, or whatever company name you choose. Even in USA, it has to count as a major try-on, with their money and legal hit-men being the only merit their case has. I'm fine with going along with the change on the grounds that our board has better things to do with their remaining trips around our star. I'm only having trouble pretending that their case has any legitimacy. Erik -- Rear Admiral Morisetti recalled that when commanding an aircraft carrier, it took a gallon of oil to move just 12 inches (30cm), while as many as 20 tonnes per hour were burned during a period of intensive take-off and landing. - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15342682 -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 01/17/2012 09:16 PM, Chris Radek wrote: In the spring of 2011, the LinuxCNC Board of Directors was contacted by a law firm representing EMC Corporation (www.emc.com) about the use of EMC and EMC2 to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org. EMC Corporation has registered various trademarks relating to EMC and EMC^2 (EMC with superscripted numeral two). snippage Thank you for your continuing support of the LinuxCNC project. Yours, The LinuxCNC Board of Directors: Jeff Epler Alex Joni John Kasunich Stephen Wille Padnos Chris Radek Well, that's a real bummer. EMC2 just kinda rolled off the tongue. Guess that means we're actually getting some exposure. Mark -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:02:01 AM Lester Caine did opine: Chris Radek wrote: As a result, it was necessary to choose a new name for the software. Of the options the board considered, there was consensus that LinuxCNC is the best option, as this has been our website's name for years. This does seem to be something of a mouthful ... Did nobody consider simply 'LMC' Linux Machine Controller ... Humm, that does have a certain poetic sound to it. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene I love ROCK 'N ROLL! I memorized the all WORDS to WIPE-OUT in 1965!! -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
I just wanted to say that I agree with this decision! EMC was always too short, and such a common letter combination to make an effective search term on the internet. LinuxCNC is also much more descriptive of the software's purpose as Chris' message said. It's sort of a milestone for this project too! We're well known enough to make a big outfit like EMC have their lawyers call us! That's got to count for something :) I'm glad to see the board is still active and effective. Thanks, Matt -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On Jan 18, 2012, at 08:02 , gene heskett wrote: On Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:02:01 AM Lester Caine did opine: Did nobody consider simply 'LMC' Linux Machine Controller ... Humm, that does have a certain poetic sound to it. It's no good, we'd just get sued by the Large Magellanic Cloud… -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:38:39 AM Sebastian Kuzminsky did opine: On Jan 18, 2012, at 08:02 , gene heskett wrote: On Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:02:01 AM Lester Caine did opine: Did nobody consider simply 'LMC' Linux Machine Controller ... Humm, that does have a certain poetic sound to it. It's no good, we'd just get sued by the Large Magellanic Cloud… Well now, since that is somewhere near 180 million light years away, it is not something we need to worry about for a very lng time. :-) Just the postage to send the notice would be astronomical. If not funny, at least ludicrous. :) Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Why must you tell me all your secrets when it's hard enough to love you knowing nothing? -- Lloyd Cole and the Commotions -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
In all seriousness, I'm perfectly happy with the Board's decision to rename the project to LinuxCNC. It's a good name, and we've already been using it in our web presence, which is perhaps the most important moniker. Is there a shorter version of our new name that we can use in parallel with the full name? For example, i renamed the buildmaster's irc login from emc2-buildmaster to linuxcnc-buildmaster, but that overflowed some name-length limit and it's showing up as linuxcnc-buildma (16 characters). I can work around it (linuxcnc-builder fits, just), but it might be nice to have shorter name available in other situations too. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 18 January 2012 18:55, Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote: In all seriousness, I'm perfectly happy with the Board's decision to rename the project to LinuxCNC. It's a good name, and we've already been using it in our web presence, which is perhaps the most important moniker. Is there a shorter version of our new name that we can use in parallel with the full name? For example, i renamed the buildmaster's irc login from emc2-buildmaster to linuxcnc-buildmaster, but that overflowed some name-length limit and it's showing up as linuxcnc-buildma (16 characters). I can work around it (linuxcnc-builder fits, just), but it might be nice to have shorter name available in other situations too. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky For the sake of brevity, I suppose it will soon be LCNC ? Oh, hang on, I get 138 000 hits for LCNC. Regards Roland -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 18 January 2012 02:16, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: LinuxCNC is the best option, as this has been our website's name for years. Ah well, I was probably never going to get it to compile on MacOS anyway…. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Matt Shaver wrote: I just wanted to say that I agree with this decision! EMC was always too short, and such a common letter combination to make an effective search term on the internet. Well, I don't fully agree, but ElectroMagnetic Compatibility is another EMC that causes confusion in the literature. But, EMC was EASY to say! LinuxCNC is also much more descriptive of the software's purpose as Chris' message said. It's sort of a milestone for this project too! We're well known enough to make a big outfit like EMC have their lawyers call us! That's got to count for something :) Oh, great! Next it will be Haas or Hurco suing us for the use of CNC. Jon -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Open Machine Controller or OpenCNC would have been better name. Still holding out hope that the software could be supported on different platforms. For now, LinuxCNC is the monniker. At least it isn't GNUCNC -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 1/18/2012 2:39 PM, Jack Coats wrote: Open Machine Controller or OpenCNC would have been better name. Still holding out hope that the software could be supported on different platforms. For now, LinuxCNC is the monniker. At least it isn't GNUCNC Or, in classic Unix fashion, YACNC. But I really like your pun. Regards, Kent -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
OpenCNC already exists. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: Open Machine Controller or OpenCNC would have been better name. Still holding out hope that the software could be supported on different platforms. For now, LinuxCNC is the monniker. At least it isn't GNUCNC _ Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:46:01 -0500 Kent A. Reed knbr...@erols.com wrote: On 1/18/2012 2:39 PM, Jack Coats wrote: Open Machine Controller or OpenCNC would have been better name. Still holding out hope that the software could be supported on different platforms. For now, LinuxCNC is the monniker. At least it isn't GNUCNC Or, in classic Unix fashion, YACNC. Just to be picky ... yacnc Dave But I really like your pun. yes, at times this group can be pretty punny. Regards, Kent -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
2012/1/18 Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro: OpenCNC already exists. Yes, here is something about it: http://www.mdsi2.com/solutions/cnc_controls/ BTW do I understand correctly that emc.com guys do not have a problem with the official name - Enhanced Machine Controller? If that is true then I would not be surprised finding out that managers of that company do not know anything about this situation, because they would understand that it is pointless to monopolize the use of abbreviation EMC - it has already been pointed out that it is used just too widely. It just seems like some bastard in legal department tries to earn a bonus by showing off to bosses, how he managed to stop infringement of their copyright rights and who would be the best target for that? A non-profit project, because, if there is no profit, then most likely there is no funds for lawyers... Well, the whole thing seems to be very very similar to something like this: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/right-click/apple-threatens-sue-small-german-cafe-logo-205037880.html Anyway, EMC2 is dead, long live LinuxCNC!!! Viesturs P.S. What is version number of next release going to be? Changing the name, so starting it over? -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Seeing that EMC2 has been stung by the EMC Corporation for trademark infringment, why isn't Gillette pursuing Mach3 CNC ??? Or is it only a matter of time? On 1/18/2012 3:05 PM, dave wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:46:01 -0500 Kent A. Reedknbr...@erols.com wrote: On 1/18/2012 2:39 PM, Jack Coats wrote: Open Machine Controller or OpenCNC would have been better name. Still holding out hope that the software could be supported on different platforms. For now, LinuxCNC is the monniker. At least it isn't GNUCNC Or, in classic Unix fashion, YACNC. Just to be picky ... yacnc Dave But I really like your pun. yes, at times this group can be pretty punny. Regards, Kent -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
I know it's tongue-in-cheek, but since several people have mentioned this I thought I'd reply. EMC corp has a trademark in a very related field. I don't recall the specific area, but it had to do with computer hardware and a particular area of computer software (backup most likely). Though we as a group understand the differences, it may seem related or the same to a non-expert observer. It should be obvious to anyone that PC software and razors are entirely unrelated. I hope this helps. - Steve Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Seeing that EMC2 has been stung by the EMC Corporation for trademark infringment, why isn't Gillette pursuing Mach3 CNC ??? Or is it only a matter of time? On 1/18/2012 3:05 PM, dave wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:46:01 -0500 Kent A. Reedknbr...@erols.com wrote: On 1/18/2012 2:39 PM, Jack Coats wrote: Open Machine Controller or OpenCNC would have been better name. Still holding out hope that the software could be supported on different platforms. For now, LinuxCNC is the monniker. At least it isn't GNUCNC Or, in classic Unix fashion, YACNC. Just to be picky ... yacnc Dave But I really like your pun. yes, at times this group can be pretty punny. Regards, Kent -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
FWIW, Mach3 is relatively safe from attack. Trademarks apply to a particular domain only, and razor blades and software are quite different domain. In addition, there must be reasonable reason to believe that the consumer would be confused by the use of the term, and it is highly unlikely that anyone believes that Mach3 CNC controller is a product of Gillette. EMC was at risk because both organizations provide software, and there is a reasonable reason to expect the consumer to be confused. Honestly, I am surprised it took EMC this long to take action. LinucCNC is a good name. It has been the projects domain for ages. It is much more descriptive of what the software actually does than EMC (granted, Enhanced Machine Controller was descriptive, but how many people used the full name? How many users could not have even told you what EMC stood for?). It seems to me that, regardless of the motivation, the name change is actually a positive change for the community. There are plenty of real bad things to worry about in the world, and on the grand scale of injustices, this one is pretty trivial. My two cents, lets run with the new name and all the free publicity that will come along with the changeover and work on making LinuxCNC a better program. On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Seeing that EMC2 has been stung by the EMC Corporation for trademark infringment, why isn't Gillette pursuing Mach3 CNC ??? Or is it only a matter of time? Open projects and individuals are easy targets. A friend had 'Penguin.com' for several years, then Penguin Books sent him a letter and told him to turn it over to them without compensation. Scared him enough, so he did. Deep pockets could have fought and probably won, but IMHO the software is the focus not the name. The name is just nice to keep the same for continuity sake. It also lets big companies think that they can get away with whatever they want. But unless someone is willing to pay to fight in court, it doesn't matter. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
What exactly did they copyright? EMC? or /Enhanced Machine Controller/? EMC is just an acronym - can they actually claim an acronym? As someone else said - their lawyers are trying to justify their jobs. What about all of the - Electric Membership Corporations - EMC? I belong to and get my power from Jackson EMC. There are dozens if not hundreds of power company EMCs in the USofA, do they plan on suing them also? Just wondering. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Dave Panetta(The Spam Catcher) thespamcatc...@bellsouth.net wrote: What exactly did they copyright? EMC? or /Enhanced Machine Controller/? EMC is just an acronym - can they actually claim an acronym? As someone else said - their lawyers are trying to justify their jobs. What about all of the - Electric Membership Corporations - EMC? I belong to and get my power from Jackson EMC. There are dozens if not hundreds of power company EMCs in the USofA, do they plan on suing them also? Just wondering. It is not a copyright, it is a trademark. You cannot copyright an acronym, but you can trademark one. A copyright protects a work, such as a novel, a song or a piece of computer software from illegal duplication. A trademark is a brand name, logo, or other distinguishing mark that consumers recognize as part of your branding, and allows companies to protect their name and reputation in the marketplace. Trademarks can be very broad. For example, you can even tradmark a color. For example, no soft drink can use the same shade of green that Mountain Dew uses for their bottles, and in the tool industry, the respective shades of Red, Yellow and Blue used by Lincoln, ESAB, and Miller are all trademarked. Everlast Welders recently had to change from yellow to green to avoid a lawsuit by ESAB. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Interestingly, if you google emc opensource, buried among all the excellent enhanced machine controller articles, there is reference to the other emc and their foray into open source. Maybe this is how they get their google search rating up. -Original Message- From: Stephen Wille Padnos [mailto:spad...@sover.net] Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2012 11:57 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller I know it's tongue-in-cheek, but since several people have mentioned this I thought I'd reply. EMC corp has a trademark in a very related field. I don't recall the specific area, but it had to do with computer hardware and a particular area of computer software (backup most likely). Though we as a group understand the differences, it may seem related or the same to a non-expert observer. It should be obvious to anyone that PC software and razors are entirely unrelated. I hope this helps. - Steve Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Seeing that EMC2 has been stung by the EMC Corporation for trademark infringment, why isn't Gillette pursuing Mach3 CNC ??? Or is it only a matter of time? On 1/18/2012 3:05 PM, dave wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:46:01 -0500 Kent A. Reedknbr...@erols.com wrote: On 1/18/2012 2:39 PM, Jack Coats wrote: Open Machine Controller or OpenCNC would have been better name. Still holding out hope that the software could be supported on different platforms. For now, LinuxCNC is the monniker. At least it isn't GNUCNC Or, in classic Unix fashion, YACNC. Just to be picky ... yacnc Dave But I really like your pun. yes, at times this group can be pretty punny. Regards, Kent --- --- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 01/18/2012 07:30 AM, Matt Shaver wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:50:41 +1100 Erik Christiansendva...@internode.on.net wrote: I'm only having trouble pretending that their case has any legitimacy. It's not legitimate. Unfortunately, many recent activities originating in the U.S. are governed by a might makes right attitude rather than one of fairness, morality, or even basic human decency. For this I can That's not recent but an ongoing human activity going on since Adam and Eve. However, it's more likely you'll win the case in the US than anywhere else. At least we have freedom of speech, open Internet (so far), and can always (?) find a lawyer for your side. only apologize and beg your patience while we in the U.S. try to recover our traditional common sense. Thanks, Matt That will take a while but don't hold your breath. As a matter of principle, not all options about EMC2 have been exhausted IMO. EMCII (Roman numerals) is one of them. Moving domain to other country would be another. So we all know, or speculate at this point, their case has no legitimacy, but it's impossible to tell unless we see what was presented to the LinuxCNC board by the Extremely Miserable Company. Questions arise: who are they going to sue or who they were threatening to sue? Developers? Board members? Mailing list members? Companies that use or plan to use EMC2? I see no reason to keep that correspondence private. As a matter of fact, it should be open to the members to see what's in it? Or is it going to be Nancy way Pass the (health care) bill so we can see what's in it. While the name to me doesn't matter as much as the well proven quality of the software, it's annoying to see such legal test cases or practice to go on as that will be used for more intimidation in the future. We've seen too much of that going on in the last few years. Remember Lindows? Another victim of corporate bullying by a convicted OS manufacturer. Lindows was a real company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_vs._Lindows I'm all for $20 mil to be paid to LinuxCNC nonprofit for further software/hardware development. Like the case above, EMC company should pay the time that people need to spend to make changes on this open source project. Renaming everything including IRC channels is just crazy and very time consuming! My first reaction would be to fight fire with fire, i.e. have http://www.fsf.org/ experts look into this. If nothing else, they should be aware of this bullying case. -- Rafael http://www.linwin.com/rafael/get_up_stand_up.mp3 Linux Is Not WINdows . com -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
In the spring of 2011, the LinuxCNC Board of Directors was contacted by a law firm representing EMC Corporation (www.emc.com) about the use of EMC and EMC2 to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org. EMC Corporation has registered various trademarks relating to EMC and EMC^2 (EMC with superscripted numeral two). After a number of conversations with the representative of EMC Corporation, the final result is that, starting with the next major release of the software, linuxcnc.org will stop identifying the software using emc or EMC, or those terms followed by digits. To the extent that the LinuxCNC Board of Directors controls the names used to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org, the board has agreed to this. As a result, it was necessary to choose a new name for the software. Of the options the board considered, there was consensus that LinuxCNC is the best option, as this has been our website's name for years. In preparation for the new name, we have received a sub-license of the LINUX(R) trademark from the Linux Foundation (http://www.linuxfoundation.org), protecting our use of the LinuxCNC name. (LINUX(R) is the registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in the U.S. and other countries.) The rebranding effort will include the linuxcnc.org website, the IRC channels, and versions of the software and documentation starting with 2.5.0. Rebranding will begin right away. If you like, you can help us by updating name references on the wiki (http://wiki.linuxcnc.org), or by contributing graphics such as a new splash screen image or a new cover for the manual. There is no need for anything like a legal defense fund or a letter writing campaign to the EMC Corporation. They have absolutely treated us with respect and they are not bad guys. We urge you to see this as an opportunity for the LinuxCNC project and for all users and contributors. Our new name clearly and concisely explains what the software is. The renaming process will create positive buzz about the project. Thank you for your continuing support of the LinuxCNC project. Yours, The LinuxCNC Board of Directors: Jeff Epler Alex Joni John Kasunich Stephen Wille Padnos Chris Radek -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 1/17/2012 9:16 PM, Chris Radek wrote: In the spring of 2011, the LinuxCNC Board of Directors was contacted by a law firm representing EMC Corporation (www.emc.com) about the use of EMC and EMC2 to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org. EMC Corporation has registered various trademarks relating to EMC and EMC^2 (EMC with superscripted numeral two). After a number of conversations with the representative of EMC Corporation, the final result is that, starting with the next major release of the software, linuxcnc.org will stop identifying the software using emc or EMC, or those terms followed by digits. To the extent that the LinuxCNC Board of Directors controls the names used to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org, the board has agreed to this. As a result, it was necessary to choose a new name for the software. Of the options the board considered, there was consensus that LinuxCNC is the best option, as this has been our website's name for yearssnip... Thank you for your continuing support of the LinuxCNC project. Yours, The LinuxCNC Board of Directors: Jeff Epler Alex Joni John Kasunich Stephen Wille Padnos Chris Radek Gentle persons: I've often wondered about this. There's a large office building just down the road from me with EMC emblazoned on the side facing Interstate 270, a road thousands drive every day. It sounds like the Board and EMC Corp worked out a workable solution and I'll be happy to help effect it. I just hope that steps are being taken to be sure we protect the LinuxCNC mark. Regards, Kent PS - and now this old nitpicker no longer has to worry about whether the docs should call it EMC or EMC2 :-) -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Chris Radek wrote: In the spring of 2011, the LinuxCNC Board of Directors was contacted by a law firm representing EMC Corporation (www.emc.com) about the use of EMC and EMC2 to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org. EMC Corporation has registered various trademarks relating to EMC and EMC^2 (EMC with superscripted numeral two). Who knows if EMC will still exist by the time we finish this conversion? (Just that there is so much corporate merging going on.) The only downside is the confusion factor, there are thousands of people who have heard of our EMC2 as another CNC control program, and now will not know what happened to it. For instance, there is an EMC forum on CNCZone. I suppose that needs to be renamed, too. Jon -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
We have registered new IRC channels on freenode that reflect the new project name. Please join us on #linuxcnc or #linuxcnc-devel. For the time being, users joining the old channels will be forwarded, but this may not be possible indefinitely. Jeff -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 1/17/2012 10:20 PM, Jeff Epler wrote: We have registered new IRC channels on freenode that reflect the new project name. Please join us on #linuxcnc or #linuxcnc-devel. For the time being, users joining the old channels will be forwarded, but this may not be possible indefinitely. Jeff And these two email lists? Regards, Kent -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
IMHO, we need to keep references to EMC and EMC2 on the web site as 'historical artifacts', and also reference the NIST project that started the initial 'Enhanced Machine Controller' project and named it. Like in http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/projects/rcslib/emc_links.html It will also allow links from around the internet and search engines to still logically link back to LinuxCNC in the future. I doubt EMC Corp would have issue with that, since it is for 'educational and historical' purposes. Just some thoughts. ... -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 17.01.12 21:31, Jack Coats wrote: IMHO, we need to keep references to EMC and EMC2 on the web site as 'historical artifacts', and also reference the NIST project that started the initial 'Enhanced Machine Controller' project and named it. Like in http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/projects/rcslib/emc_links.html It will also allow links from around the internet and search engines to still logically link back to LinuxCNC in the future. I doubt EMC Corp would have issue with that, since it is for 'educational and historical' purposes. IANAL It seems unimaginable that even under perverse American law, one corporation can own all rights to every use of an abbreviation. In most countries, it is sufficient for the activities of the separate users to be significantly distinguishable for courts to dismiss a litigant's claim to be the only one on the planet with the name Bob. If our current full name conflicted, then there would be grounds for discussion, but coincidence of abbreviation (EMC) is no ground for complaint. And both parties have adapted Albert's little equation, so neither can claim originality or exclusivity there. That said, the board's decision is the board's to make, and it avoids distractions other than whether or not to make any changes in the wiki. If we place on the home page LinuxCNC was historically known as EMC2, then the job's done, innit? /IANAL As always, genuine thanks for all the work done on our behalf. Erik -- lawsuit, n.: A machine which you go into as a pig and come out as a sausage. - Ambrose Bierce -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
I wonder when EMC, Inc was incorporated and initially copywrited EMC and EMC^2 (superscript that is). ... I need to get over it and just go along, but I hate feeling like we are being muscled out by the force of money/clout. ... That is probably my hangup. I'd feel much better if EMC would offer at least some money to advertise the name migration on their nickle, and possibly a donation to the CNC cause... even if it wound up being getting appropriate equipment in lots of schools (like high-school tech shops). ... Like I said, that's probably just my thing. If I would have been active enough, I would have been on the board, and it is really just their vote that mattered on this. ... now ... on to the future. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 01/17/2012 08:12 PM, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 17.01.12 21:31, Jack Coats wrote: IMHO, we need to keep references to EMC and EMC2 on the web site as 'historical artifacts', and also reference the NIST project that started the initial 'Enhanced Machine Controller' project and named it. Like in http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/projects/rcslib/emc_links.html It will also allow links from around the internet and search engines to still logically link back to LinuxCNC in the future. I doubt EMC Corp would have issue with that, since it is for 'educational and historical' purposes. IANAL It seems unimaginable that even under perverse American law, one corporation can own all rights to every use of an abbreviation. In most countries, it is sufficient for the activities of the separate users to be significantly distinguishable for courts to dismiss a litigant's claim to be the only one on the planet with the name Bob. If our current full name conflicted, then there would be grounds for discussion, but coincidence of abbreviation (EMC) is no ground for complaint. And both parties have adapted Albert's little equation, so neither can claim originality or exclusivity there. That said, the board's decision is the board's to make, and it avoids distractions other than whether or not to make any changes in the wiki. If we place on the home page LinuxCNC was historically known as EMC2, then the job's done, innit? /IANAL As always, genuine thanks for all the work done on our behalf. Erik I join this opinion based on the facts that this (EMC2) project has a long history under its current name. It's ridiculous to see a not exceptionally successful company (http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=EMC) terrorize nonprofit organization especially when the product has absolutely nothing to do with their core business. My feeling is that their lawyers have nothing else to do, like protect employees of their spinoff VMware etc. Quick search for EMC2 on Google brings LinuxCNC.org in the third place. That's due to the fact that EMC Corp is advertising on the top. Google also delivers other links that one would expect to be more offensive to EMC Corp lawyers than LinuxCNC open source product. http://www.emc2.com/ http://www.emc2fusion.org/ http://emc-squared.net/ http://www.aimprogram.com/ http://www.emc-sq.com http://www.emc2architects.com/ http://www.emctwo.com/ http://www.emcsquared.com/ http://www.emc2acne.com/ http://www.emc2interiors.com/ http://emc2payouts.com/ http://www.facebook.com/pages/EMC2/174903925885899?v=info Other (Google) Searches related to emc2: emc2 cnc software linux emc2 e=mc2 emc2 wiki emc2 engineering emc2 fusion emc2 architects emc2 bikes so EMC2 CNC software comes up twice in this section alone. Fact: search for emc2 returns more links related to LinuxCNC EMC2 on the first 3 pages than EMC company. I respect LinuxCNC board decision but wonder about EMC legal department. My guess is that generic search for their products turns up little or nothing and they want more free advertising. http://www.emc.com/about/investor-relations/faqs.htm Q: What does EMC stand for? A: The founders of EMC are Richard Egan and Roger Marino, the E and M behind the naming of EMC. EMC Corporation is the Company's full name. So they were sitting on the fact, and did nothing, all these years that a nonprofit org openly used EMC2 (Enhanced Machine Controller 2) for the project name. There is statue of limitation somewhere, even in the US law one would think. Perhaps they need some http://www.emcpic.info Imagine how many links are going to be broken if LinuxCNC wiki page changes every instance of EMC2? That's censorship IMO and I'm against it. -- Rafael -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:16:13 pm Chris Radek wrote: In the spring of 2011, the LinuxCNC Board of Directors was contacted by a law firm representing EMC Corporation (www.emc.com) about the use of EMC and EMC2 to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org. EMC Corporation has registered various trademarks relating to EMC and EMC^2 (EMC with superscripted numeral two). After a number of conversations with the representative of EMC Corporation, the final result is that, starting with the next major release of the software, linuxcnc.org will stop identifying the software using emc or EMC, or those terms followed by digits. To the extent that the LinuxCNC Board of Directors controls the names used to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org, the board has agreed to this. This could get interesting. I just did a company search for companies named EMC here in Australia. There are 3 named EMC or a variation of that. There are 108 entries containing the word EMC. I;'d love to see results from Europe and Japan et al. Cheers, Geoff. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
On 01/17/2012 07:31 PM, Jack Coats wrote: IMHO, we need to keep references to EMC and EMC2 on the web site as 'historical artifacts', and also reference the NIST project that started the initial 'Enhanced Machine Controller' project and named it. Like in http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/projects/rcslib/emc_links.html It will also allow links from around the internet and search engines to still logically link back to LinuxCNC in the future. I think it important that the names of web pages stay the same even if the names include emc, or at least put in redirects from the old page names. Otherwise links in past emails will break. Even if links in the email archives are changed, it won't change people's local email stores. Karl -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller
Do you think the other mob are in danger of being lawyered by a company that makes razors? -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
