[Enigmail] Thunderbird:OpenPGP:2020 - MozillaWiki

[Ian Mann]

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:OpenPGP:2020

Ian Mann
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Re: [Enigmail] revoked key and other questions

[Ian Mann]

What version of Thunderbird are you running?
What version of enigmail are you using?
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 20:24, Doris Behrendt
 wrote:
>
> Hi list,
>
> first I want to say hello, I am a new subscriber.
>
> I have been using enigmail on a windows 7 machine with thunderbird for
> half a year now.
>
> I have two key-pairs, one of length 2048 and one of length 4096.
>
> About two weeks ago I got error messages telling me that my key (the
> longer one) had missing trust, out of nowhere, I did not change anything.
>
> Then I made updates and klicked everything to >>ultimate<< (though I
> didn't have to do that before, it just worked before).
>
> Now the larger key has status >>validity: revoked<<, but I never revoked
> that key by myself.
>
> This morning, when I opened an encrypted mail sent to me by someone, I
> got another enigmail-error-message:
>
> <\beginquote>
>
> Decrypted message
>
> Error - no matching secret key found to decrypt message
>
> Note: The message is encrypted for the following user ID's / Keys>
>
> ... (Doris Behrendt) ...,
>
> ... (the name of the sender of the mail) ...
>
> <\stopquote>
>
> Yesterday I openend this message without any error message. After
> restarting, the error message doesn't reemerge, it seems.
>
> So here are my questions:
>
> 1. Why do I have two keys? (perhaps I don't remember generating 2 keys,
> perhaps it is the default to get 2?)
>
> 2. Why is my key revoked without me actively revoking it? It seems that
> I cannot re-revoke it?
>
> 3. What mechanism is telling enigmail, which key to take, if there are
> more than one?
>
> 4. What could be the reason for the error message telling me >>no
> matching secret key found<
>
> Thanks in advance, I must admit, I am a little bit confused ... I'm
> going to do another restart, perhaps the reason is only some windows
> updates?
>
> Doris
>
>
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Re: [Enigmail] The Dear Leader speaks!

[Ian Mann]

​You guys do amazing work. So glad you exist and work so hard at
maintaining Enigmail.

Thank you


On Sat, 19 May 2018 at 03:12, Robert J. Hansen  wrote:

> Patrick, the Dear Leader of Enigmail,[1] has an interview with Heise.de.
>  (I apologize if this is a repeat, but looking in my email spool I don't
> think this has been posted here before.)
>
>
> https://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Enigmail-Chefentwickler-im-Interview-Efail-Veroeffentlichung-war-unueberlegt-4049783.html
>
>
> [1] Guido van Rossum is the Benevolent Dictator for Life of Python.
> Enigmail can have a Dear Leader, can't we?  :)
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Fwd: Fwd: [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and thunderbird

[Ian Mann]

​Try having/selecting the PIA server in your own country​


On Thu, 17 May 2018 at 21:28, christophe salomon via enigmail-users <
enigmail-users@enigmail.net> wrote:

>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: christophe salomon 
> To: enigmail-users@enigmail.net
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 13:27:34 +0200
> Subject: Fwd: Fwd: [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and thunderbird
>
>
> sending it again i am a member now
>
>  Message transféré 
> Sujet : Fwd: [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and thunderbird
> Date : Thu, 17 May 2018 13:23:39 +0200
> De : christophe salomon  
> Pour : enigmail-users@enigmail.net
>
> Dear support and users,
>
> As you will see below , Pia is not letting send encrypted enigmail.
>
> Does anyone have a solution to use enigmail with vpn pia.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Message transféré 
> Sujet : [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and thunderbird
> Date : Wed, 16 May 2018 07:20:21 +
> De : Jason V. (Private Internet Access)
> 
> 
> Répondre à : Private Internet Access
> 
> 
> Pour : Csalomon26  
>
> ##- Please type your reply above this line -##
>
> Your request (654860) has been updated. To add additional comments, reply
> to this email.
>
> *Jason V.* (Private Internet Access)
>
> May 16, 01:20 MDT
> Hello Salomon,
>
> Any VPN provider that does not retain logs must block outgoing SMTP
> traffic due to rampant spam associated with usage of VPN services. This is
> necessary for the security and privacy of our customers, and we apologize
> for any inconvenience this may cause.
>
> With that said, we can whitelist (allow) any outgoing email server that a)
> require authentication, and b) is correctly setup so as not to be an open
> relay.
>
> Unfortunately at this time we have temporarily suspended whitelisting SMTP
> servers.
>
> This is due to extreme excessive abuse and as a result we are currently
> making some technical and policy changes to prevent it from occurring again.
>
> We will make an announcement regarding our new policy and procedure in the
> near future.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jason V.
> Customer Support Agent
> Private Internet Access™
>
> Private Internet Access: We've Got Your Back
> Links: Security Best Practices
> 
> | Private Internet Access: FOSS Repositories 
>
> *Csalomon26*
>
> May 15, 12:54 MDT
>
> Hi i cant send emails from thunderbird when i use pia
>
> i get messages "L’envoi du message a échoué.
> Le message n’a pas pu être envoyé en utilisant le serveur sortant (SMTP) «
> smtp-mail.outlook.com » pour une raison inconnue. Veuillez vérifier que
> les paramètres de votre serveur sortant (SMTP) sont corrects et essayez à
> nouveau." which means in french outgoing smtp server could not be used to
> send the email , it asks me to check the parameters of my outgoing smtp
> server and then try again
> i have tried and tried the pia settings but they seem tobe refused by
> thunderbird, can you help me
> This email is a service from Private Internet Access. Delivered by Zendesk
> 
> [5L3MW7-Y302]
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: christophe salomon via enigmail-users 
> To: enigmail-users@enigmail.net
> Cc: christophe salomon 
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 13:27:34 +0200
> Subject: [Enigmail] Fwd: Fwd: [Private Internet Access] Re: pia and
> thunderbird
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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.9.9 available

[Ian Mann]

Many thanks Patrick & Seasons Greetings to you – Ian Mann (Australia)



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10




From: enigmail-users <enigmail-users-boun...@enigmail.net> on behalf of Patrick 
Brunschwig <patr...@enigmail.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:45:29 PM
To: Enigmail user discussion list
Subject: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.9.9 available

I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.9.9 for
Thunderbird version 52.x and SeaMonkey 2.46.

This version addresses a number of security vulnerabilities discovered
by Cure53 during an audit of Thunderbird with Enigmail. The audit report
covers both Thunderbird and Enigmail. As some vulnerabilities are still
unfixed on the side of Thunderbird, we currently only publish an excerpt
of the report with the issues found in Enigmail [1].

Enigmail is one of the most widely used tool for OpenPGP email
encryption. Yet it took 16(!) years of development until the first
security audit was performed. It was more than overdue, and I would like
to thank Posteo (www.posteo.de<http://www.posteo.de>) for taking the initiative 
and
co-financing an audit report together with the Mozilla Foundation. Not
very surprising for such an old project, the audit report revealed a
number of important issues that were addressed now.


Changes
===

See the Pentest Report for Enigmail by Cure53 [1].
In addition, Bug 709 was fixed [2].


Obtaining Enigmail
==
Enigmail can be downloaded from
<https://www.enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/>

The changelog is available from
<https://www.enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog>


Additional Remarks
==
Beta versions of Thunderbird require a nightly build of Enigmail,
i.e. Enigmail v1.9.x will not work with Thunderbird 56b1 and newer.

-Patrick



[1]
<https://enigmail.net/download/other/Enigmail%20Pentest%20Report%20by%20Cure53%20-%20Excerpt.pdf>
[2] <https://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/bugs/709/>

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Re: [Enigmail] Thunderbird and Enigmail on multiple computers?

[Ian Mann]

Yes, perhaps I did do that manually. I also had uploaded my Public Keys to
the server.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Robert J. Hansen 
wrote:

> > I have Thunderbird with enigmail on three machines and I just saved the
> > private/Public keys onto a USB and installed them on the two other
> > machines and set the same settings for use. Never worried about
> > config/agent etc, and all works just fine.
>
> You didn't copy your trustdb file, which means GnuPG had no way of
> knowing your private certificate should have implicit trust attached to
> it, which means all your trust calculations were (maybe still are) off.
>
> Now, maybe you edited the certificate later and manually set the trust
> level.  But it isn't true that you can just import a private cert into a
> new environment and have things work correctly.
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Re: [Enigmail] Thunderbird and Enigmail on multiple computers?

[Ian Mann]

I have Thunderbird with enigmail on three machines and I just saved the
private/Public keys onto a USB and installed them on the two other machines
and set the same settings for use. Never worried about config/agent etc,
and all works just fine.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Robert J. Hansen 
wrote:

> > indeed you can; available optione on [gpg2]:
> >
> > --export-secret-keys [ names ], --export-secret-subkeys [ names ]
>
> This is insufficient.  He needs to migrate his entire GnuPG profile,
> including his gpg.conf and gpg-agent.conf files.
>
> Migrating just the private certificates is insufficient.
>
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Re: [Enigmail] Got a question

[Ian Mann]

On 24/07/2016 19:41, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
>>> How do you find out which gpg4win you have currently installed?
>> >
>> > Found the answer
> Would you please share it? Thanks!

Looked under control panel, programs, uninstall and the list displayed the 
version

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Re: [Enigmail] Got a question

[Ian Mann]

On 24/07/2016 18:43, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
> You can do this manually instead. Fetch
> https://files.gpg4win.org/gpg4win-vanilla-2.3.2.exe and start it.

Found the answer

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Re: [Enigmail] Got a question

[Ian Mann]

On 24/07/2016 18:43, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
> You can do this manually instead. Fetch
> https://files.gpg4win.org/gpg4win-vanilla-2.3.2.exe and start it.

How do you find out which gpg4win you have currently installed?

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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.9.3 available

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On 04/06/16 01:09, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.9.3 for
> Thunderbird versions 38, 45 and newer, and SeaMonkey 2.35 and newer.

Thanks for all the work you do - Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] NOT DOWNLOADING GnuPG

[Ian Mann]

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On 8/05/2016 6:56 PM, Sebastian wrote:
> Hi Todd,
> 
> Please explain in more detail, what does not work. Are you talking about
> the installation of the Enigmail extension?

Todd seems to have vanished Sebastian, it was a cryptic issue he described. Not 
much to go on.

Ian
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Re: [Enigmail] Asking for password many times?

[Ian Mann]

On 2/05/2016 7:01 AM, Olav Seyfarth wrote:
> I have set Enigmail to remember the password for the maximum time but, if I 
> send an e-mail it asks for it and then if I go to the "sent" folder and click 
> in the encrypted e-mail I sent, it asks again. Couldn't Enigmail be improved 
> to avoid that? Just asking one time in the period selected.

Try just ticking "encrypt" rather than checking both "sign" and "encrypt", the 
request for the pass phrase on "send" is usually to sign the "signature", which 
if you receive a singed email it will state signed at a certain time on a 
certain date. That is my understanding.

After sending the initial email in a series of chats back and forth it seems 
pointless to sign each piece of correspondence.


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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.9.2 available

[Ian Mann]

On 26/04/2016 1:13 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.9.2 for
> Thunderbird 38 and newer, and SeaMonkey 2.35 and newer.

Many Thanks - Ian



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Re: [Enigmail] Is Adele down?

[Ian Mann]

On 6/04/2016 11:57 AM, B00ze/Empire wrote:
> believe it or not, Hotmail blocks Adele's emails completely,

That is strange - glad it is resolved

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 6:13 PM, anatak wrote:
> enigmail works, he can receive,send, encrypt and decrypt mails so I am
> going to stop trying to get this solved.
> thank again for trying to help me.
Check out the second video clip I sent, NOTE WELL hit the restart displayed, do 
not hit the X, wait the 40 or so seconds for it to install correctly, otherwise 
enigmail will be corrupted.

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:44 PM, anatak wrote:
> yes it was on the lower toolbar when I first dragged it.

well, that is the correct place...

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:43 PM, anatak wrote:
> Yes I have decrypt on my other machines. but they are both linux mint
> computers.
I run Ubuntu as well with Thunderbird and two W10 with Thuderbird, all seem 
fine, but I am using english. Don't see how wording could cause a problem, 
Thunderbird must be the same software wise.

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:32 PM, anatak wrote:
> I hope you understand the problem

I think I do...

So do you have 'decrypt' on the other two machines just fine?

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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:20 PM, anatak wrote:
> but still no decrypt button in the toolbar customization menu

right click on menu, select customise and drag the 'decrypt' to the menu bar.

It will only work when you have an encrypted message to decrypt



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Re: [Enigmail] Decrypt button not visible in Japanese

[Ian Mann]

On 11/03/2016 5:13 PM, anatak wrote:
> how can I manually update enigmail ?
1. Download new version of enigmail

2. Three bars on top right of Thunderbird click left
3. select 'add ons' click left
4. cog at top, pull down menu, install from file select
5. Browse to file and click

note it will say restart, click that 'restart' word.

Be patient it may take 40 seconds before it restarts then by itself



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Re: [Enigmail] [Off-topic] France

[Ian Mann]

On 14/11/2015 9:58 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> To all our users in France, please know that we're with you.  There are
> no words for such a thing as has happened today in Paris

Watching it live in Australia. Terrible. This is an attack on all the free world

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 25/09/2015 1:05 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> I know nothing more about this than what's in the page.  Figured some
> people here might find it interesting, though

Yes, I use that encrypted message service.

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Re: [Enigmail] No more "Untrusted Good Signature"s

[Ian Mann]

On 24/09/2015 6:54 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> I'm fine with this approach. I'd suggest that once the deadline is
> over, you create a bug that describes to conclusions.

As a non technically minded user I would like a conclusion and summary so I can 
understand where this is heading, once this discussion is finalised. 

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Key Management Owner Trust

[Ian Mann]

As an elderly user of Enigmail the biggest issue has been finding folks to use 
it with.

I did not find it difficult to install or to set up using the wizard. Some new 
terms and notions threw me for a bit, key trust and key signing was one area 
that I did not realise the implications of. I have most things set to manual, 
as I wasn't happy with the automated features.

I am always amazed by the wonderful work the developers here perform. A lot of 
thought and effort goes into each revision. I tend to use the nightly builds to 
stay abreast of developments and features.

Like most men, reading the user manual was a last resort, more reference book 
really. Had I have actually read the User Manual I might have avoided earlier 
mistakes. That said, Enigmail is pretty intuitive. I love the new icons and 
layout, especially in the 'write' window. This has been a huge step forward.

A few short "How To' videos on the Enigmail web site might be an adjunct to the 
User Handbook. However, the User at some point must take responsibility for 
informing themselves on the best use of the application.

I have also learnt a great deal from joining the forum. There are useful tips 
that surface from time to time in the forum comments and remarks.

Thanks for all the hard work you folks do to bring this application to us.

Ian

 






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Re: [Enigmail] Key Management Owner Trust

[Ian Mann]

On 19/09/2015 6:57 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> After thinking about this for a time, I'd rather suggest to
>> > completely remove the feature "Display untrusted keys".
> After thinking about this and the poor-language issue in general, I've
> come to the following conclusions:

I am a new user, had Enigmail for about 12 months. I like the current system 
that is in place. It did take time to understand what it meant when those 
things were displayed.




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Re: [Enigmail] Weird behaviour using "Import Key" button

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

How do we turn on support for encrypted subject and other headers in the 
nightly build of V1.9

support encrypted subject and other headers [[Done]]
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[Enigmail] Enigmail V1.9

[Ian Mann]

http://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/wiki/Planning%20for%20version%201.9/


How do we turn on support for encrypted subject and other headers in the 
nightly build of V1.9

support encrypted subject and other headers [[Done]]

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Re: [Enigmail] Unexpected order of questions

[Ian Mann]

On 12/06/15 01:09, Lachezar Dobrev wrote:
   Hello all,
   Xubuntu 15.04 @ x86-64
   Thunderbird 31.7.0
   Enigmail 1.8.2 (from Mozilla Extensions, not OS package)
 
   When writing a message I can see, that the encrypt and sign buttons
 are toggled on based on my rules. Nice!
   When I (try to) send the message (using CTRL+ENTER mostly) I am
 asked for the password for my key (from the pinentry I suppose), and
 *THEN* I am asked if I want to send an encrypted and signed mail.
   This looks like a bit inverse. I believe it should ask me for the
 password AFTER I have instructed it to do so (by choosing Yes).
 
   Confirm before sending = Always

I think you are asked for your 'pass phrase' because you have 'sign' ticked. 
This is in the PIN ENTRY pop up. It sets the date and time the 'sign' took 
place and by whom. This is my understanding. I have everything set to manual 
and do not use the rules method.

Ian 



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Re: [Enigmail] enigmail blocks sending mails

[Ian Mann]

On 06/06/15 01:27, François Patte wrote:
 Le 05/06/2015 13:19, Ian Mann a écrit :
  Bonjour,
  
  I have an issue with enigmail: if I want to send a signed mail, it
  is impossible, thunderbird does nothing and the window of the mail
  stay opened. If I untick the box sign the message, I can send the
  mail
  
  Strange: the only signed messages I can send, are messages to my
  own mail address! They are crypted, but when I receive them,
  enigmail cannot decrypt them.
  
  thunderbird 31.7.0
  
  enigmail 1.8.2
  
  Thank you for any help.
  
  You don't mention entering your 'pass phrase' in the Pin Entry pop
  up.
  
  When a person signs an email you get the Pin Entry pop up when you
 press 'send' and you have to enter your pass phrase. The same with
 decryption, you get the Pin entry pop up when you hit 'decrypt'.
 
 
 Thank you for answering.
 
 I said that thunderbird does nothing: even asking for the passphrase!
 Asolutely nothing!

Have you just installed Thunderbird/enigmail at this is your first experience 
or are you saying you have used it for a while and now it is performing badly?

If you have just installed it I presume you have set, use a specific Open PGP 
Key

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

attached is an uncorrupted version of your Public Key, I got it from the Ubuntu 
Key server, other servers seem to now have a corrupted version of this key

The text below is your public key, you need to copy this and paste it into the 
location Facebook provides, from the first --at thop left to the last -- bottom 
right

This is what FB is expecting to be given


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Version: SKS 1.1.5
Comment: Hostname: keyserver.ubuntu.com

mQENBFC6BkUBCADjWI4CqM1+YopY3HwBmh7kRa0mpYYMaHgWRU+EptjEWm3h8Ol3hH2f90Uu
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sPwY+FlTW/WiV+OmsaFGlmvogf54oxefw/mMcmga2cb5LAuCTOU1ZDd5CqTS4dQj6fVZMq66
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wgl2r4FMxCO+OQw=
=YRc+
-END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-


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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 22:08, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 Now back to why it will not remember that I have entered my passphrase...

There is a time limit, which you can change

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 22:29, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 I tried that one, and it did not work. The one I got that worked was the
 one that started like this:

Well at least it is all fine now, you said. Thank Goodness for that mate.

I am in Goulburn NSW Australia, I see you are in New Jersey. I have been there, 
Morris Town and East Hanover and Hacketts Town, back in 1985.

Ian



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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 00:30, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 Facebook has just this morning announced limited support for OpenPGP.
 At present, it's limited to allowing users to upload an OpenPGP
 certificate, and Facebook using that certificate to encrypt all email
 communications between Facebook and the user.
 
 It's a small step forwards, but an exceptionally welcome one.
 
 Also, thanks to the individual in Facebook's security team[*] who tipped
 me off to this minutes after the release was official.  I had no advance
 notice of it, but the very instant it got rolled out FB made contact --
 with the expectation, I think, that I would spread the word, although no
 one asked me to do anything.
 
 Thanks, Facebook.  We really appreciate not just the new feature, but
 your reaching out to make sure the people who would most love this new
 feature know about it.  :)
 
 
 
 [*] This individual has requested his affiliation with Facebook not be
 published, lest he start getting 50,000 emails a day from people asking
 him to reset their passwords.  If you know or have figured out who he
 is, please honor his request.  They've done us a favor: the least we can
 do is return it.

added my P{ublic Key, thanks for the alert - Ian


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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 13:07, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 the tricks you
 suggested seem to make no difference.

No tricks Jean,
Just grab (copy) the key correctly and place it in the space provided and it 
all works fine for me after checking the encryption box and saving. Pretty 
straight forward. I get encrypted email from Facebook now.

You key I grabbed from the server and sent an email direct to you, that seemed 
to work. So your public key seems fine.





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[Enigmail] This is your public key add this to the box, all of it.

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Version: SKS 1.1.5
Comment: Hostname: keyserver.ubuntu.com

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=YRc+
-END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 12:10, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 Do you mean I should use
 
 166D840A 0C610C8B

Are you telling me you are trying to stuff two keys in the space provided? Just 
select one key and add one.

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] Facebook and OpenPGP

[Ian Mann]

On 02/06/15 12:10, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 Do you mean I should use
 
 166D840A 0C610C8B

You also have to tick the check box, Use encrypted
then save.

In order to activate the process.

Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] thunderbird - Which is the correct GnuPG executable to use to configure Enigmail? - Ask Ubuntu

[Ian Mann]

Under OpenPGP - Preferences, check Override with and put in the following in 
the link next to it:

/usr/bin/gpg2

If it gives you a further error message, install gnupg2

sudo apt-get install gnupg2

Note, do NOT uninstall gnupg. This is still used by many other parts of the 
operating system, including aptitude itself.

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[Enigmail] thunderbird - Which is the correct GnuPG executable to use to configure Enigmail? - Ask Ubuntu

[Ian Mann]

http://askubuntu.com/questions/55236/which-is-the-correct-gnupg-executable-to-use-to-configure-enigmail

This may help some Ubuntu users move to gpg2 required for enigmail greater than 
1.8. I tried it and it worked ok for me, I use 14.04LTS

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Re: [Enigmail] thunderbird - Which is the correct GnuPG executable to use to configure Enigmail? - Ask Ubuntu

[Ian Mann]

On 15/04/15 23:33, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA256
 
 On 15.04.15 15:19, Ian Mann wrote:
  Under OpenPGP - Preferences, check Override with and put in the
  following in the link next to it:
  
  /usr/bin/gpg2
 This is actually NOT required. It's fully sufficient to install
 gnupg2. If both gpg2 and gpg are available, Enigmail will
 _automatically_ prefer gpg2.

I wasn't aware of that, thanks Patrick

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Re: [Enigmail] Anyone else having problems refreshing keys with 1.8.1 on Linux?

[Ian Mann]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

enigmail 1.9a1pre

Refresh all Public Keys works fine from mit.

Ian

On 14/04/15 07:23, Anthony Papillion wrote:
 I usually update my keys once a week from within Enigmail since it's
 convenient. As of the last update, every time I try to interact with a
 keyserver (send or receive), it fails. If I drop to the terminal and
 issue the commands manually, they succeed.
 
 Anyone else having this problem with Enigmail?
 
 Thanks!
 Anthony
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Re: [Enigmail] Anyone else having problems refreshing keys with 1.8.1 on Linux?

[Ian Mann]

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126 keys 

On 14/04/15 12:32, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
  * how many keys are in your keyring (roughly)?
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Re: [Enigmail] Anyone else having problems refreshing keys with 1.8.1 on Linux?

[Ian Mann]

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correct

On 14/04/15 12:32, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
 * which keyserver are you using exactly, via what protocol?  Ian, i
think mit means hkp://pgp.mit.edu , right?
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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail 2.0.x upgrade

[Ian Mann]

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For Ubuntu

I think it is under enigmail, preferences, Basic, tick 'override with' and type 
in /usr/bin/gpg2

Just in case it doesn't work, write down what is in there now.

I am pretty sure GPG2 is already in Ubuntu, just needs to be selected. It 
worked for me doing the above, I run Ubuntu 14.04LTS

Ian




On 05/04/15 21:40, garlicxsa...@distruzione.org wrote:
 hi everyone,

 My enigmail just informed me that:

 This is the last version of Enigmail to support this version of GnuPG.
 Future version only work with GnuPG 2.0 and newer.
 We therefore recommend that you upgrade to the latest version of GnuPG
 2.0.x

 With an ubuntu OS and using KGpg as encrypting software how to i do
 that? Can i do it directly from Thunderbird and Enigmail?

 I know it sounds like a silly question but it's a while that i dont
 upgrade and i have no idea how to do it manually

 Many thanks in advance

 Enrico

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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail 1.8.2 - Beta 3

[Ian Mann]

Have installed beta version Patrick, will let you know if any issues arise.

On 03/04/15 03:32, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 I fixed a few bugs over the last couple of days. As some of the
 changes were not straight forward, I have uploaded a new beta version
 for public testing.

 The fixed bugs mainly cover message composition, saving (encrypted)
 drafts and improvements to the Decrypt Permanently / Create
 decrypted copy message filters.

 Please let me know of any regressions compared to v1.8.0 / v1.8.1

 https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.8.2-pre3.xpi

 Thanks,
 Patrick

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Re: [Enigmail] PGP/MIME in web mail clients ( was: Re: some thoughts about usability)

[Ian Mann]

Thanks for that feedback Olav, especially that it works in Gmail, I tested and 
it does now work there.



On 31/03/15 18:23, Olav Seyfarth wrote:
 Hi Ian,

  I wonder how it looks in Outlook now.

 Outlook shows body text fine, and an attachment. OK.

 Windows 8.1 Desktop Mail App ignores signature.asc (appears not to be there at
 all). Not nice, but OK.

 Olav

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Re: [Enigmail] PGP/MIME in web mail clients ( was: Re: some thoughts about usability)

[Ian Mann]

Your right Olav, bow using PGP/Mime the body can be read now. I wonder when 
Gmail changed. I can recall my friends complaing there was nothing in the 
message. I wonder how it looks in Outlook now.

In Line can look 'ugly' , but I have got use to it now. I will gibe PGP/Mime a 
try again.

On 31/03/15 02:38, Olav Seyfarth wrote:
 Hi Ian,

  I started off using PGP/MIME, it seemed neat. However, some contacts read
  their mail in web browsers, eg Gmail, and all they saw was the signature
  and could not view content of the message.

 It is true that web mail clients often do not handle PGP/MIME (or PGP at all).
 But what you describe above is that Google Mail would not display the message
 body AT ALL. I just tried to reproduce this but cannot!

 Gmail inbox DOES show the CONTENT of the message body for all PGP/MIME 
 messages
 (plain text, HTML only, mixed) I sent to myself.

 It cannot display the SIGNATURE properly, though! (Your receipient may not
 verify the message within the Google mail web interface. But that applies to
 ALL non PGP-enabled mail clients.)

  It was a hassle trying to remember which contacts used the web browser to
  read email in.

 You could have used per-receipient rules for that...

  Switching to in-line solved the issue for me. Now the see the signature
  and email content.

 Sure. That's the beauty of INLINE. It ALWAYS works (with plain text). But 
 looks
 ugly ;-)

  It is nice we have the choice to select from.

 Sure. And this will stay in Enigmail. You may set your personal preference,
 let Enigmail automatically change this personal per-identity setting using
 per-receipient rules and you may switch while composing messages. But the
 program default will be PGP/MIME in our next release.

 Olav

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Re: [Enigmail] PGP/MIME in web mail clients ( was: Re: some thoughts about usability)

[Ian Mann]

Your right Olav, now using PGP/Mime the body can be read now in the gmail web 
browser. I wonder when Gmail changed. I can recall my friends complaints that 
there was nothing in the message. I wonder how it looks in Outlook now.

In Line can look 'ugly' , but I have got use to it now. I will gibe PGP/Mime a 
try again.

On 31/03/15 02:38, Olav Seyfarth wrote:
 Hi Ian,

  I started off using PGP/MIME, it seemed neat. However, some contacts read
  their mail in web browsers, eg Gmail, and all they saw was the signature
  and could not view content of the message.

 It is true that web mail clients often do not handle PGP/MIME (or PGP at all).
 But what you describe above is that Google Mail would not display the message
 body AT ALL. I just tried to reproduce this but cannot!

 Gmail inbox DOES show the CONTENT of the message body for all PGP/MIME 
 messages
 (plain text, HTML only, mixed) I sent to myself.

 It cannot display the SIGNATURE properly, though! (Your receipient may not
 verify the message within the Google mail web interface. But that applies to
 ALL non PGP-enabled mail clients.)

  It was a hassle trying to remember which contacts used the web browser to
  read email in.

 You could have used per-receipient rules for that...

  Switching to in-line solved the issue for me. Now the see the signature
  and email content.

 Sure. That's the beauty of INLINE. It ALWAYS works (with plain text). But 
 looks
 ugly ;-)

  It is nice we have the choice to select from.

 Sure. And this will stay in Enigmail. You may set your personal preference,
 let Enigmail automatically change this personal per-identity setting using
 per-receipient rules and you may switch while composing messages. But the
 program default will be PGP/MIME in our next release.

 Olav

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Re: [Enigmail] some thoughts about usability

[Ian Mann]

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I am relatively new to enigmail. I started off using PGP/MIME, it seemed neat. 
However, some contacts read their mail in web browsers, eg Gmail, and all they 
saw was the signature and could not view content of the message. It was a 
hassle trying to remember which contacts used the web browser to read email in. 
Switching to in-line solved the issue for me. Now the see the signature and 
email content.

It is nice we have the choice to select from.

Ian


On 30/03/15 03:55, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 29.03.15 18:44, Mike Acker wrote:
 [...]
  Fixed in v1.9.
  I think we need to re-think this protocol question: if the user
  selects either (a PGP Signature or PGP Encryption or both) and (the
  message is in HTML format) then the user needs to use PGP/MIME and
  that should be the automatic default.   certainly OK to have a
  switch to change the message to plain-text and shift to PGP/Inline
  but at this point I think most eMail messages are written in HTML.

  as things stand I have to go back to the Enigmail dialog and
  re-select PGP-MIME each time I want to use it.   Not Good.

 The protocol question has already been decided. Enigmail 1.9 will use
 PGP/MIME by default.

 Furthermore, you can change the default to PGP/MIME in the account
 settings, and you can specify PGP/MIME to be the protocol for certain
 specific email addresses using per-recipient rules. I doubt that more
 automatic changes would make things easier.

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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.8.1 available

[Ian Mann]

Thanks Patrick

Ian

On 24/03/15 04:19, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.8.1 for
 Thunderbird 31, and SeaMonkey 2.29 and newer.


 Changes
 ===
 This is a bugfix release addressing some disturbing regressions
 introduced in the last release.


 Important Note
 ==
 Enigmail v1.8.x is the last branch of Enigmail to support GnuPG v1.4.x.
 Future version of Enigmail (v1.9 and later) will require GnuPG 2.0.7
 or newer.


 Obtaining Enigmail
 ==
 Enigmail can be downloaded from
 https://www.enigmail.net/download/index.php
 The changelog is available from
 https://www.enigmail.net/download/changelog.php


 Additional Remarks
 ==
 As usually, it will take up to 2 weeks until the version will be
 available on addons.mozilla.org.


 -Patrick




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Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

A few thoughts on my own experience...

My friends who do not encrypt all say they have nothing to hide, or I only 
email regular stuff and the government are welcome to read it and get bored, 
that's the standard response I get.

Only one commented, Will I have to do anything different from what I do now?

What convinced me was the idea of putting email in an envelope to improve 
privacy.

I had no one to guide me. Some articles were confusing and sounded complicated 
when I read them. I spent about 7-10 days researching before I had a go at 
setting up encryption using Thunderbird and Enigmail.

I am an elderly, law abiding, Old Aged Pensioner with little computer knowledge 
who just thinks folks are entitled to privacy.

If everyone who emailed was required to have a certificate I can imagine spam 
would vanish, and if everyone encrypted then encryption would not be extra 
ordinary. This should be easy to achieve as almost all people put their surface 
mail in an envelope, and few send Postcards.

Ian

On 19/03/15 08:34, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
 On Wed 2015-03-18 15:24:50 -0400, Doug Barton wrote:
 I've done what you've done in the past, sit down with a room full of 
 people and explain to them how PGP works, the barest of fundamentals 
 they need to know in order to get started, and walked through some demo 
 e-mails. I've done this with groups, and I've done it with individuals. 
 I have a near-zero uptake percentage on these presentations. When I ask 
 people later why they aren't using the tools, they give a variety of 
 reasons ... Too hard, Confusing, Weird, No one else I know uses it, etc.
 We're currently trying to address the Too hard, Confusing, Weird
 aspects by making the tool easier to use for novices.  If it's easier,
 some of the folks who rejected it on these grounds might use it.  If
 more people use it, this will in turn start to address the No one else
 I know uses it aspect.

 I could make a very persuasive argument that social engineering isn't 
 enigmail's job. We've already committed to social engineering for the 
 transition to GnuPG 2.x, and now we're doing more social engineering to 
 try and attract new users? This is a very disturbing trend.
 If by social engineering you mean trying to change something about
 how society works for the better, then i agree that enigmail is trying
 to do this, but i don't find it disturbing at all.

 As tool developers and distributors, we do have an influence on what's
 possible and what's easy for people to do.  i think it's only
 responsible to try to use that influence for good.

 Yes, more of them know, AND THEY STILL DON'T CARE. I saw a report on 
 post-snowden user behavior the other day that said that among people who 
 were knowledgeable about what Snowden is revealing that less than 10% 
 had previously done anything to secure their communication, and less 
 then 30% were doing *anything* new, and the steps they were taking were 
 weak. I apparently didn't even bookmark the page, which I vaguely recall 
 thinking wasn't necessary because it just demonstrated stuff I already 
 knew.
 yes, it's pretty sad, and i've seen the same results.

   
 http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/03/16/Americans-Privacy-Strategies-Post-Snowden/

 i'm not sure i reach the same conclusion that you do from it, though:

 You are making the typical security nerd mistake of thinking that IF 
 PEOPLE ONLY KNEW that their communication was insecure that they would 
 do something about it. But studies and experience have shown over and 
 over again that this is not true at all. People either know that their 
 communication is insecure, and don't care; or they don't know, and don't 
 care after it's pointed out to them.

 No amount of making tools easier is going to change that.
 I'm not just a security nerd -- i'm a transit infrastructure nerd!

 I think life is better for more people when more people bike or use mass
 transit instead of driving private automobiles.  When biking or mass
 transit is clunky, difficult, slow, ugly, dangerous, or expensive,
 people tend to avoid these modes of transit.  That's why i am involved
 with groups that try to improve the experience for bikers and mass
 transit riders in the city where i live.  It makes life better for
 everyone!

 And it's not that people near me don't know that mass transit is
 probably better for public health than individual automobiles, or even
 that they don't care at all (though i admit they probably don't care as
 much as i wish they would).  It's that they're busy, distracted, and
 they have other priorities.  So any hurdle (however small) that makes
 biking/transit worse is enough to turn off some set of people who decide
 meh, i can't be bothered.

 Increasing the frequency of trains, keeping them clean, lowering the
 fares, providing indicators so we know when the bus will arrive, having
 bike lanes, etc -- all these things make using bikes or transit nicer,
 so more people (even people who 

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

I like the 'Attach My Public Key' button, its so handy where it now is...

Ian

On 19/03/15 06:35, Doug Barton wrote:
 On 3/18/15 7:53 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 But what percentage of overall enigmail users are they, and how
 likely are they to blindly send their key to a keyserver rather then
 blindly click a button to attach their public key?

 Try turning your question around.  Consider if one of them were to ask,
 But what percentage of overall Enigmail users live in liberal Western
 democracies, and how likely are they to use this 'send to keyserver'
 option rather than the sensible 'attach public key' button?

 That's a totally non-sequitur argument, as you're positing a number of 
 straw-men that I didn't put up. (You're also not answering my question about 
 what percentage of the user base these people form.)

 Do we
 really need to make it easy to send keys to the keyserver?

 The answer is, both groups are very important to us.

 I'm not saying that either group is unimportant. In fact I would argue that 
 people who are actually using cryptography for real, meaningful purposes are 
 far more important than the dilettantes like us.

 But the question is not, Which group is important? the question is, What 
 should the defaults be?

 If you don't like the button, great.  Don't use it.  :)

 Well that's not only non-sequitur, it's childish. But I'll give you a 
 smiley-based pass. :)

 I have said repeatedly now that I'm not concerned with what experts can or 
 cannot do. I think the new defaults are bad on several levels, and will lead 
 to bad outcomes.

 But we did get
 feedback from a large number of trainers at the Circumvention
 conference, and I did not hear one single complaint about the 1.8 beta I
 showed them with the Attach public key button.

 Sure, but again, non-sequitur. I would definitely expect that if you show the 
 feature to a group for whom the feature would be wildly useful that they 
 would approve. :)  What percentage of the overall user population was 
 represented, and should we tailor the defaults for that tiny group?

 As always, Patrick's in the driver's seat and gets to make the final
 decisions on everything... but my feeling is the Attach public key
 button is something that an important fraction of our users approve of,
 and for that reason we're not going to get rid of it.  We might figure
 out better ways to present it or make it fit in the UI, but we're going
 to continue to make it extremely easy for users to attach public keys to
 an email message.

 It already was easy. There is already an option to attach it to every 
 message, and there is already a menu item to attach it to individual 
 messages. I'm not hearing any rationale for putting an attractive nuisance 
 button in every user's face for a feature that most of them do not need.




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Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

It just seems common sense to send your key to a new contact. I use it all the 
time when making a new contact.


On 18/03/15 17:03, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
 On Wed 2015-03-18 01:39:06 -0400, Doug Barton wrote:
 I buy that argument, but it seems much more reasonable to me to make 
 sign and encrypt buttons that show up in the composition toolbar. This 
 would mean that we get the same usability improvement, but no additional 
 screen real estate would be necessary.
 My composition toolbar currently already has:

  Send | Spelling | Attach | S/MIME | Save

 Depending on how you select icons and text, these can take up a fair
 amount of width already.  The four enigmail features
 (encrypt,sign,pubkey,status) would also need to be effectively grouped
 somehow conceptually (though i understand it sounds like you don't
 particularly want pubkey or status at all).

 The Attach My Public Key button is almost certainly a bad idea, as
 it will cause new users to think that this is an action that should
 be done frequently, rather than rarely.
 This is one of the most common actions that new users *should* take,
 Um, since when? Hasn't the CW always been to have the user upload their 
 key to a key server? If they are corresponding with someone who isn't 
 smart enough to get the key Id from the signature, the new user can 
 simply send the fingerprint to their correspondent, and they can 
 download the key that way.
 I used to think so too.  I'm not as sure any more, and attaching the
 public key like this avoids a lot of uncertainty and doubt for new
 users.  in particular, i've seen these questions during training
 sessions:

  * What's a keyserver?

  * how do i tell enigmail to send my key to the public keyservers?

  * Wait, which keyserver should i publish to?

  * You mean my e-mail address will be listed up there publicly? i don't
 feel comfortable with this...

  * You think i should e-mail my friend with my fingerprint?  what's my
fingerprint?  how do i get enigmail to put it in the message for me?

  * ok, i've uploaded my public key to the keyservers, and sent my
friend my fingerprint; how does my friend get my key now?

  * hm, my friend is trying to get it, but the keyserver says it doesn't
 have it; how long do we have to wait?  (this is often caused by
 pool propagation delay)

 and so on.

 I'm not saying all of these concerns are dealbreakers, or even that any
 of them are unanswerable.  But the mechanism enigmail 1.8 is providing
 avoids basically all of them.

 S/MIME by default includes the user's certificate in each message, iirc,
 perhaps to try to short-circuit this entire process as well.

 I don't particularly *want* users to attach their keys willy-nilly, and
 i don't want everyone to stop using the keyservers (they're quite useful
 for initial contact and search), but i think ithis is a useful
 complement to that approach.

 I see this as comparable to browsers degrading the UI for http:

http://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/marking-http-as-non-secure
 Um, no, that's not the same thing at all. It's quite disturbing that you 
 don't see the many ways that they are different.

 Routine *encryption* has some similarities to deprecating http vs. 
 https, but we already have the opportunistic encryption feature. That 
 feature should be enabled by default (if it isn't already).
 Opportunistic encryption *is* enabled by default, and it clears the red
 warning when it gets turned on.  i'm curious to hear details of why this
 is so radically different from 


 This is entirely a good thing.  The red warning will go away if you
 encrypt, even if you don't sign.

 If we don't want to encourage routine signing, maybe the warning could
 stay red as long as it's unencrypted?  Or maybe it could be:
 I'm sorry, but this is total nonsense. Routine signing is a BAD idea. 
 Messages sent to mailing lists cannot be encrypted. And I use 
 thunderbird for business communication where I cannot do either, ever.
 fwiw, i agree with you that associating RED with unsigned and NOTRED
 with signed maybe doesn't seem important to me.  I'd prefer the warning
 color/font to be used with unencrypted mail, and the non-warning
 color/font to be used with encrypted mail, regardless of signing.

 Unencrypted mail will be in the clear, just like the many web sites we
 still use that are in the clear (for routine business communications
 like http://amazon.com/, for example).  Users should know about this.

 I am conducting an experiment in the efficacy of PGP/MIME signatures. 
 This message should be signed. If it is not, or the signature does not 
 validate, please let me know how you received this message (direct, or 
 to a list) and the mail software you use. Thanks!
 Message received on-list and signature validated properly (albeit with
 mailman's appended footer outside the signature) :)

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Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.8 Available

[Ian Mann]

Was very keen to get the final version and in my haste did not read all the 
email and missed the new handbook remark, have now downloaded it and it is 
beautiful. Thanks Ludwig, you did a great job on it.

Ian

On 18/03/15 04:15, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.8 for
 Thunderbird 31, and SeaMonkey 2.29 and newer.


 Major Changes
 =
 * Improved user interface for message composition
 * Simplified setup wizard
 * Possibility to permanently decrypt messages via filter rules
 * Improved support for PGP/MIME messages from GPGTools sent from MS
 Exchange Server
 * Many fixed bugs


 Important Note
 ==
 This is the last major version of Enigmail to support GnuPG v1.4.x.
 Future version of Enigmail (v1.9 and later) will require GnuPG 2.0.7
 or newer.


 Obtaining Enigmail
 ==
 Enigmail can be downloaded from
 https://www.enigmail.net/download/index.php
 The changelog is available from
 https://www.enigmail.net/download/changelog.php

 Additional Remarks
 ==
 We also released an updated version of the Handbook that matches the
 current version of Enigmail. Special thanks to Ludwig for this!

 Starting with this release, the Enigmail packages are no longer signed
 with the old key from 2004, but with my current key ID 0xDD5F693B.

 As usually, it will take about 2 weeks until the version will be
 available on addons.mozilla.org.

 -Patrick

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Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

[Ian Mann]

I second that

On 18/03/15 14:00, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
 On Tue 2015-03-17 22:51:18 -0400, Ian Mann wrote:
 I have used the beta, and participated in nightly, and 1.8 is perfect to me. 
 I like it just how it is.
 I also think the message composition toolbar is a great usability
 improvement.  Thanks for all the hard work that went into making
 something that looks this simple :)

 On 18/03/15 12:43, Doug Barton wrote:
 Were the buttons for encrypt and sign moved up to their own toolbar
 instead of the old icons at the bottom because the latter was too
 subtle? Would it not make more sense to put them in as default
 buttons on the Composition toolbar? Also the icons used seem very
 fuzzy to me.
 the icons at the bottom were two small for most people to notice, and it
 was not clear that users could interact with them.  The toolbar is an
 improvement, even at the cost of extra screen real estate.

 The Attach My Public Key button is almost certainly a bad idea, as
 it will cause new users to think that this is an action that should
 be done frequently, rather than rarely.
 This is one of the most common actions that new users *should* take,
 since their correspondents don't have their key yet.  I've hesistated in
 the past to ask people to send me their key because i didn't want to
 have to ask them to dig in the menu.  This makes it much esier.

 And given that most of my messages are unsigned and unencrypted I
 find the big red message to be ... offputting to say the least. Do we
 really want to encourage routine signing?
 I see this as comparable to browsers degrading the UI for http:

   http://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/marking-http-as-non-secure

 This is entirely a good thing.  The red warning will go away if you
 encrypt, even if you don't sign.

 If we don't want to encourage routine signing, maybe the warning could
 stay red as long as it's unencrypted?  Or maybe it could be:

  This message will be signed redbut is not encrypted/red ?

  --dkg

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Re: [Enigmail] Version 1.8 release

[Ian Mann]

Thanks..


Ian

My Public Key 0xD6EE9490 for PGP Encryption can found at
https://pgp.mit.edu/

Setting up PGP encryption is simple



On 09/03/15 17:40, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 09.03.15 02:06, Ian Mann wrote:
  Is this version close to release? Love what I see in the Nightly
  version, especially the User Interface changes, thanks for all the
  hard work

 Yes. I still have to fix some small bugs and improvements, and I'm
 waiting for the translations to be completed.

 -Patrick


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[Enigmail] Version 1.8 release

[Ian Mann]

Is this version close to release? Love what I see in the Nightly version, 
especially the User Interface changes, thanks for all the hard work


Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] General Opinion and unverified bug

[Ian Mann]

I had no problems installing and implementing PGP via Enigmail and Thunderbird 
all on my own. Granted the new user interface in 1.8 is heaps more intuitive 
than the 1.7 version. What I am struggling to say is that if an older. 
inexperienced, person like me can install and use it, why should it be an issue 
for the journalists this lassie is training.

I just don't have the issues this lassie is talking about, and I am bewildered 
by her remarks. I don't know technically how encryption works, and I don't much 
care to find out. All I know is it works fine and is simple to use. I suppose 
you have to get your head around the idea of a two key process, and get folks 
Public Keys to encrypt to them, but that isn't a big issue in my opinion.

Maybe I am missing her point somehow.

Ian

My Public Key 0xD6EE9490 for PGP Encryption can found at
https://pgp.mit.edu/

Setting up PGP encryption is simple
https://whyencryptemail.net/


On 09/03/15 14:32, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 I know that, there were already discussions about the (GnuPG) 
 terminology of Enigmail. I don't think that an addon, which should 
 easily provide signing and encrypting mails for the masses, should
 use very technical terms, which are coming from a low-level tool
 for rather tech-savy people like GnuPG. Just use abstractions. The
 users on Layer 8 just wants to know, if they can trust an e-mail or
 not. Or if they are doing it right or not.
 This is your prejudice.  Until and unless you've done a statistically
 significant polling of a representative cross-section of users, you just
 don't know.  If the people you're training are like this, great, but
 please don't assume your experiences are representative of either the
 userbase or the trainerbase.

 When recieving a signed email there are only four possibilities: 1.
 the message is manipulated (wrong signature)
 No.  99% of bad signatures are actually attached to untampered emails.
 This is why we cannot conclude based on a bad sig that the message has
 been changed.

 In the first case, you can just show a huge red bar, telling the
 user, that the message can't be trusted.
 No.  You show them a message saying the integrity is not assured.  This
 is semantically different.

 This makes not much sense to me. It's even irrational to me. And I
 tell you why:
 At this point it has been explained to you many times, in great detail.
 I no longer care whether you understand it, and I never cared about
 your approval of my choice.  Drop it.

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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail v1.8 Beta 1

[Ian Mann]

How do I get a new copy of 1.8 beta that is fixed on master?


On 08/03/15 05:05, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 01.03.15 22:07, Philip Jackson wrote:
  Hi Patrick :

  On 26/02/15 18:36, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
  I have created the first *beta* release of Enigmail v1.8. It
  contains many changes to the user interface, especially message
  composition, and quite a lot of bugs were fixed.
 
  I would appreciate to get as many bugs reported as possible such
  that we will have a stable release.
 
  I've found a glitch in enigmail 1.8beta  connected with sender's
  key options.

  If the mail has been signed, you have 3 ways to be offered some
  options for the sender's key :

  1. from the 'Details' button in the message header 2. from the menu
  bar Enigmail/ Sender's key/ 3. from the strange little icon (3
  small horizontal bars) on the right hand end of Thunderbird's Mail
  Toolbar.

  It is this latter which gives most often defective options.

  If there is no PhotoID with the key concerned, the PhotoID option
  is not greyed out, clicking it does however provide the message
  that no such id is available.

  If the message has not been signed at all, the Details button of
  course is not present and the other two ways still provide a range
  of options.

  The menu bar Enigmail/Senders key/ provides four options not greyed
  out (only the photoID is greyed out).  Whether any response is
  received from clicking on any of these items depends on whether the
  message is 'stand-alone' or a reply within a thread.  If within a
  thread, clicking on 'View key properties' can produce the details
  of a key from another thread message higher up in the chain (even
  though there appears no quote from that message).

  The 'funny icon' /Enigmail/Sender's key/ provides all five options
  (not greyed out).  Some do nothing, some attempt an action on a key
  higher up in the chain, the photoID option may show an image from
  higher up or do nothing.

  The most common of these is the offer to check a non-existant
  photoid in the senders key options from the message toolbar icon.
  The other incoherent offerings seem to be connected with unsigned
  messages inside a thread containing some signed messages.  You can
  find instances in this thread.

 Fixed on master; thanks for reporting.

 -Patrick


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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

Doug,
I am not into an rebellious or criminal activity. I became 
interested in enigmail and PGP around a year ago as a matter of general 
interest. I am an OAP, (Old Aged Pensioner). I was surprised at how easy it was 
to set up, perhaps I just found the right material. The link below was the web 
site I used.

https://whyencryptemail.net/

The biggest draw back is that friends don't use encryption, all the chaps I 
know have their wives operate the computer for them! The second draw back is 
that most young folks use the cell or mobile phone with SMS to chat, so email 
encryption is not big with them either.

By what I read on the web, it is business that seems to be the big adopter of 
end-to-end encryption. I cannot speak for dissidents as I don't mix in those 
circles, but I can imagine encryption and security is very important to them. 
Here in Australia new Data retention Laws are proposed, I think the agencies do 
that illegally now, and our government just wants to make it legal to prevent a 
court case failing in law on a technicality.

All that said, Ladar Levison said, at the Defcon that there are 3 billion email 
users today, if everyone encrypted then encrypted message would not seem 
abnormal. His team is trying to make it 'auto-magical' so as to encourage more 
folks to encrypt.

I joined the forum so as to be up to date on enigmail events, and practice 
sending encrypted emails with like minded contacts, as trying to get ordinary 
Pals to encrypt was a futile exercise. The forum has been fantastic, I am 
amazed at the work done by the developers here, a small team but with a 
tremendous output through dedication. The ordinary forum members have been very 
helpful and don't hold back. Each week I learn a bit more.

Thanks everyone,

Ian








On 08/03/15 11:02, Doug Barton wrote:
 I took a look at that URL, and I see two problems there. First the data
 that they suggest you hide is not particularly meaningful. Second, the
 fact that you are hiding it will make you stand out from the crowd more
 than not hiding it would.

 One could argue that a better tactic might be to send the headers, but
 populate them with valid data from a different platform. I'm still not
 sure how much value that would have though.

 Compare this for to get an idea of my context ...

 https://panopticlick.eff.org/

 hth,

 Doug


 On 3/7/15 10:52 AM, Rainer Blome wrote:
 | Ian, good point, thanks for this link!
 | Just followed the instructions, let's see what's left.
 |
 | @All:
 | Some people can see some of my social network.
 | That's just a fact of life, and I live with this, as everyone else does.
 |
 | Does this mean that I tell some people about all my contacts?
 | No, I try to avoid that.
 |
 | Firms such as Google, which set the default to upload the whole
 | address book make it difficult to avoid this.
 | Enigmail should not follow their example.
 |
 | -Rainer
 |
 |
 | Am 07.03.2015 um 02:39 schrieb Ian Mann:
 |
 http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
 |
 |   This sanitizes some of the information.
 |
 | Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

The comments on the original web page state the aim of the changes...namely 
disclosing less.

Comments
You should take care to disclose as little as possible about the privacy tools 
you use, if only to make it harder to run automated, targeted attacks against 
your computers and accounts.


  Conclusion

After making these changes to your stock Thunderbird and Enigmail installation, 
the encrypted emails you send will be much more sanitary and will disclose less 
information about the tools you use.




On 08/03/15 11:02, Doug Barton wrote:
 I took a look at that URL, and I see two problems there. First the data
 that they suggest you hide is not particularly meaningful. Second, the
 fact that you are hiding it will make you stand out from the crowd more
 than not hiding it would.

 One could argue that a better tactic might be to send the headers, but
 populate them with valid data from a different platform. I'm still not
 sure how much value that would have though.

 Compare this for to get an idea of my context ...

 https://panopticlick.eff.org/

 hth,

 Doug


 On 3/7/15 10:52 AM, Rainer Blome wrote:
 | Ian, good point, thanks for this link!
 | Just followed the instructions, let's see what's left.
 |
 | @All:
 | Some people can see some of my social network.
 | That's just a fact of life, and I live with this, as everyone else does.
 |
 | Does this mean that I tell some people about all my contacts?
 | No, I try to avoid that.
 |
 | Firms such as Google, which set the default to upload the whole
 | address book make it difficult to avoid this.
 | Enigmail should not follow their example.
 |
 | -Rainer
 |
 |
 | Am 07.03.2015 um 02:39 schrieb Ian Mann:
 |
 http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
 |
 |   This sanitizes some of the information.
 |
 | Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

Read a PDF on DIME and viewed a You Tube video made at DefCon. Lavinson's 
system has a server, Magma and an email client Volcano, built on Thunderbird. 
The gist of it was that the metaddata would be hidden more and encrypted as 
part of the email process.

That would make the emails more of a target based on the statements you refer 
to Doug. Nevertheless, the process would be more secure in my opinion.

If you want the PDF or video email me and I can send a link. Similarly, a quick 
Google can bring them up. The system is not available yet, they have just 
started coding . github has some of the code up already.

https://github.com/lavabit/magma.classic?files=1


Ian



On 08/03/15 11:02, Doug Barton wrote:
 I took a look at that URL, and I see two problems there. First the data
 that they suggest you hide is not particularly meaningful. Second, the
 fact that you are hiding it will make you stand out from the crowd more
 than not hiding it would.

 One could argue that a better tactic might be to send the headers, but
 populate them with valid data from a different platform. I'm still not
 sure how much value that would have though.

 Compare this for to get an idea of my context ...

 https://panopticlick.eff.org/

 hth,

 Doug


 On 3/7/15 10:52 AM, Rainer Blome wrote:
 | Ian, good point, thanks for this link!
 | Just followed the instructions, let's see what's left.
 |
 | @All:
 | Some people can see some of my social network.
 | That's just a fact of life, and I live with this, as everyone else does.
 |
 | Does this mean that I tell some people about all my contacts?
 | No, I try to avoid that.
 |
 | Firms such as Google, which set the default to upload the whole
 | address book make it difficult to avoid this.
 | Enigmail should not follow their example.
 |
 | -Rainer
 |
 |
 | Am 07.03.2015 um 02:39 schrieb Ian Mann:
 |
 http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html
 |
 |   This sanitizes some of the information.
 |
 | Ian

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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

There is a comprehensive video on DIME on You Tube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWzvXaxR6us

Ian




On 07/03/15 13:14, Ian Mann wrote:
 Sent a message with attachment, but is too large. I was unaware of size 
 limit, sorry for the problem.

 I was saying Dark Mail addresses the issue of headers I read some time back. 
 They have a PDF out now on their system.

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20903929/dark-internet-mail-environment-december-2014.pdf



 Ian




 On 07/03/15 13:00, David wrote:
 On 3/6/2015 8:39 PM, Ian Mann wrote:
 http://blog.linuxprogrammer.org/How%20to%20Sanitize%20Thunderbird%20and%20Enigmail.html

 This sanitizes some of the information.

 Ian




 On 07/03/15 11:23, David wrote:
 On 3/6/2015 3:37 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
 On 03/06/15 15:16, David wrote:
 I am confused by this request. What difference does it make if
 'someone else' knows whose public is on your public keyring?
 If they know whose public keys are on your keyring, they know who you
 talk to.  You may not wish them to know this.  Depending on who you
 are and who you talk to, their knowing it could be very dangerous to you.
 You are aware that the *body* of the message is encrypted but the
 *header*, the email address you send to and the email address that you
 send from, and the complete path of all the email servers that the
 emails traveled though, is still open to the world? And that those
 emails are stored on all of those servers. Or at least they used to be
 stored.

 Which means that the whole world 'knows' just who you send emails to and
 receive emails from? You are using Thunderbird on a Linux OS.

 Select an email that you have sent to your friends, or one that they
 have sent to you, or anyone, and press Ctrl-U to open a new window of
 information. read carefully and closely.

 So if some admin of a key-server in some place 'knows' who you is on
 your Public-Keyring for email it is of little importance.


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 This is from your post which was a reply to me that you posted here. As
 you can see it is of little to no consequence if some one can see your
 Public Key Ring. I edited the body parts to shorten the post since that
 had nothing to do with my point here.

 As for 'someone' spying on you? If 'they' want to do that then they will
 do that.  :-)

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Re: [Enigmail] From Circumvention

[Ian Mann]

Enigmail saved my family's life.

That is a real enlightening statement. Living in Australia it's hard to imagine 
what it must be like for some folk in the countries where an email can get you 
arrested. Thanks for that insight. You folks do great work, glad you are 
enjoying the fellowship of the event.

Ian



On 04/03/15 01:44, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 I'm attending Circumvention in Valencia, Spain right now.  Circumvention
 is a conference for people interested in using technology to circumvent
 oppression, mostly oppressive governments and corporations in the
 developing world.  A particular focus is on technology trainers --
 people who train others in how to effectively use security technologies.
  Trainers are force multipliers; a good trainer can easily teach 50
 people a month how to use basic privacy and confidentiality tools.
 Multiply that over a year, and you quickly see that one trainer can help
 facilitate an entire cluster of electronic freedom.

 My impressions so far:

 - The Eniglove is thick, palpable, and real.  I literally have not
   been able to buy my own beer.  If I was so inclined, I could get
   stone drunk every night and *still* wind up turning down half the
   offers of free beer.  I also get random bone-crushing hugs from
   attractive women and the occasional activist has taken me apart
   from the crowd to tell me, Enigmail saved my family's life.

 - Everyone it seems has a different take on an Enigmail feature
   they'd like to see included.  Some of them are just no, we won't
   do that (such as pushing for Enigmail to get integrated wholesale
   into Thunderbird), some are really easy, and others are worth
   thinking about.

   Really easy:

   1.  The Help button beside Convenient encryption settings is
   sometimes unresponsive.  I saw this bug with my own two eyes
   (thanks, Dmitri!) and can confirm it.

   2.  There's a huge outcry for a Farsi translation.  The bad news:
   the people who most need it are unable/unwilling to contribute
   to it (they need to keep a low profile).  The good news:
   Localization Lab really wants to help us out with this.
   See http://www.localizationlab.org/translation/ for an overview
   of Localization Lab's efforts.  I've got a point of contact
   there, so we should probably reach out and see what they can do
   for us.

   3.  The trainers say there's a slight visual difference in how
   inline messages are composed versus how PGP/MIME messages are
   composed.  Inline messages are briefly flashed in the compose
   window in encrypted form before sending, while PGP/MIME
   messages are not.  It would be good if there were only one
   behavior, because it sometimes leads to people believing they
   sent an email unencrypted because when they were in training
   (using inline PGP) they saw it briefly in encrypted form, but
   in the real world (using PGP/MIME) they didn't.  I think this
   is minor, but ... people are serious about it.  One uniform
   behavior, please.

   4.  If you've disabled encryption and/or signing for a message (when
   it would normally be present), Enigmail is too polite about it.
   They'd like to see a red banner or somesuch, warning the user
   You have manually disabled encryption and/or signing for this
   email.  The icons, although accurate, are too easy for newcomers
   to overlook.

   5.  It should default to encrypting drafts.


   Worth thinking about:

   6.  Add an Easy Revocation Reminder feature.  When revoking a key,
   one major problem is convincing one's correspondents to check
   the keyservers.  Clicking Easy Revocation Reminder (needs a
   better name) would walk through your mail folders accumulating
   the email addresses of everyone who has sent you encrypted email
   or anyone you've sent signed email to.  Enigmail would then open
   a new compose window, with all of these email addresses as bcc,
   with pre-composed text about how I have had a key compromise,
   blah blah blah.  Allow the user to edit the text how they like,
   particularly listing a new key to use, and hit Send to notify
   all recipients.


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Re: [Enigmail] Certificate signing policy

[Ian Mann]

For folks I correspond with routinely I just accept their certificate, don't 
care if its signed.
Ian


On 04/03/15 17:48, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 Here at Circumvention I've been surprised by the number of people who
 have been asking me to sign their certificates.  For all that the Web of
 Trust is mostly a broken technology, there are still clearly a lot of
 people who rely on it.  There are also a lot of disconnected, isolated
 communities of privacy enthusiasts who would like to have some way to
 communicate in a trusted way with other communities.

 They're hoping that Enigmail will be able to help, since we have a
 certificate set which is widely trusted within the community.  (Set
 aside for right now arguments over whether people *should* trust our
 certificates without doing face-to-face meet-ups and fingerprint
 verifications and everything else; clearly, people *do* trust our
 certificates.)

 So, if you see my signature on a certificate, here's what it means.  I have:

   1.  Met this person face-to-face
   2.  Received their fingerprint from them
   3.  Received their email address from them
   4.  Seen at least one form of government-issued
   identification
 5.  Verified the email address on their user ID
 matches the email address they gave me
 6.  Verified the fingerprint on their certificate
 matches the fingerprint they gave me

 Finally, I do not upload certificates to the keyservers without the
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Re: [Enigmail] 1.8 beta

[Ian Mann]

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Many Thanks Ludwig

regards Ian Mann



On 01/03/15 01:19, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
 Hi,

 On 28.02.15 14:32, Ian Mann wrote:
  Would someone be kind enough to send me the link to enigmail 1.8
  beta again pleas

 here it is:

 https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.8b1-tb+sm.xpi

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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail v1.8 Beta 1

[Ian Mann]

Thanks Patrick, have installed the release. Will let you know if I have any 
issues.

Ian



On 27/02/15 04:36, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 I have created the first *beta* release of Enigmail v1.8. It contains
 many changes to the user interface, especially message composition,
 and quite a lot of bugs were fixed.

 I would appreciate to get as many bugs reported as possible such that
 we will have a stable release.

 The package (XPI) is available from
 https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.8b1-tb+sm.xpi

 SHA-1:83c755876e41a3e452ab5a4297572ce7816b85cd

 -Patrick

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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail v1.8 Beta 1

[Ian Mann]

Installed fine for me too. Though I use everything set to manual, so I am not 
sure how some of the automatic features might behave. Sent a few emails, and 
all works as expected, thanks for all the hard work, you've done a great job.


Ian



On 27/02/15 09:00, Philip Jackson wrote:
 On 26/02/15 18:36, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 I would appreciate to get as many bugs reported as possible such that
 we will have a stable release.

 The package (XPI) is available from
 https://www.enigmail.net/download/beta/enigmail-1.8b1-tb+sm.xpi

 installed fine - seems good
 Philip




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Re: [Enigmail] Cannot sign or decrypt messages

[Ian Mann]

http://muddledramblings.com/macgpg2-step-by-step/

Ian

On 14/02/15 09:41, Juergen Fenn wrote:
 2015-02-11 16:48 GMT+01:00 Patrick Brunschwig patr...@enigmail.net:

 The problem is that the message from GnuPG is very much misleading if
 gpg-agent cannot launch pinentry. GnuPG reports that the key is not
 found instead of telling that something went wrong in the interaction
 between gpg, gpg-agent and pinentry.

 Please add the following line to gpg-agent.conf
 pinentry-program /full/path/to/pinentry-...

 where ... is gtk, gtk2, qt, qt4 or similar (depending on what is
 installed).

 Then killall gpg-agent and retry.
 I'm on a Mac with Mavericks 10.9.5, having the same problem as the OP.
 I installed gpg2 and pinentry from MacPorts and edited gpg-agent.conf
 to include the full path to pinentry. This worked after a reboot for
 sending two mails (only encrypted, signing failed), but it stopped
 working completely ever since. When I type gpg-agent in terminal it
 now complains about a bad GPG_AGENT_INFO environment variable. As
 before, gpg2 yields the error message that it cannot find my key. :(

 Since it seems I've done everything by the book and since there was a
 discussion about stopping support for gpg1, could you please provide a
 guide explaining how to configure enigmail with gpg2 step by step?
 This would be awesome.

 I'd like to start using encryption for email as soon as possible.
 However, it seems this has not been properly tested on the Mac so far.

 Thanks,
 Jürgen.

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Re: [Enigmail] Uninstall

[Ian Mann]

https://whyencryptemail.net/

Jim,

I used this web site when I installed Thunderbird and enigmail.
The steps were straight forward. However, someone may have better instructions 
that match your device and email client.

Ian


On 11/02/15 09:39, Jim wrote:
 Hello,
 I work with the State and they are having trouble sending and receiving
 email messages to me. Please give me updated instructions on installing
 Enigmail?
 Thank you,
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[Enigmail] Key Generation

[Ian Mann]

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Key management, Key Generation.

Under Advanced their is a choice of
1. SHA and
2. DSA  El Gamal

A. What is the difference in terms of which is best for security.
B. My Key signs SHA1, I have noted others have SHA256 and SHA 512, how can I 
select that when generating a key.

Thank you in advance

Ian





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Re: [Enigmail] Key Generation

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Thank you Robert.

Ian


On 08/02/15 05:51, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 A. What is the difference in terms of which is best for security.

 None.

 Both are supported because some users are constrained by regulations to
 use one algorithm or another, or because their smartcard supports one
 but not the other, or... etc.

 B. My Key signs SHA1, I have noted others have SHA256 and SHA 512,
 how can I select that when generating a key.

 This is a GnuPG configuration setting, not an Enigmail setting.  Edit
 your gpg.conf file and add the line:

 personal-digest-preferences SHA256 RIPEMD160

 GnuPG will use SHA256 if possible, RIPEMD160 if a 160-bit hash is
 needed, and SHA-1 only as a last ditch fallback.

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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

[Ian Mann]

If the wizard takes users to 2.x then I cannot see an issue. With old equipment 
can the user remain on 1.x with an old version of enigma?


Ian


On 06/02/15 10:08, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 will create _some_ support burden. Is the code to support 1.x in 
 Enigmail really *that* difficult to work with/work around that it 
 justifies taking on these burdens now, rather than some time down
 the road when more people have already transitioned?
 Ah, the broccoli argument.

 I hate broccoli, but it's on my plate, and Mom and Dad won't let me
 have ice cream until I finish all my food.  So do I want to eat the
 broccoli now or later?

 My vote: eat the broccoli now and enjoy the rest of your meal, rather
 than try to enjoy your meal while dreading the broccoli.

 Also, users have had eight years to transition.  What are we supposed to
 do, wait another seven years?  Letting Enigmail users know today, in
 about a year you'll have to be using GnuPG 2.x with Enigmail, is hardly
 ripping the rug out from beneath people's feet.

 I'm not in any way worried about this transition.




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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

[Ian Mann]

Thanks Doug,

Ian


On 06/02/15 10:33, Doug Barton wrote:
 On 2/5/15 3:26 PM, Ian Mann wrote:
 With old equipment can the user remain on 1.x with an old version of enigma?

 No, that's the point of this exercise, to remove 1.x support altogether. :)


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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

[Ian Mann]

I hope it is directly from Enigmail as I don't feel confident to install GnuPG 
2.x it separately on Ubuntu.

Ian

On 05/02/15 04:13, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 We recently discussed in (a part of) the Enigmail team that we should
 think about giving up support for GnuPG 1.4.x.

 Reasons:
 * GnuPG 2.0 was released in November 2006; it has proven for a long
 time to be stable.
 * While GnuPG 1.4 still makes sense on embedded devices and computers
 with limited resources, this does not hold anymore for today's PCs.
 * We still have quite a lot of GnuPG 1.4-specific code, and
 maintenance of Enigmail is more complex with more versions of GnuPG
 (e.g. password handling / bug 287).


 My plan is as follows:
 * Enigmail 1.8.x will still support GnuPG 1.4.x. However, if Enigmail
 detects GnuPG 1.4.x, a message will be displayed saying that GnuPG
 1.4.x is considered deprecated and will no longer be supported in
 future major versions of Enigmail.

 * Enigmail 1.9.x will not support GnuPG 1.4.x anymore. We will either
 point users to a web page from where they can download GnuPG 2.x, or
 we will offer to install GnuPG 2.x directly from Enigmail (just like
 the wizard already does it). A decision for which way to go is not yet
 taken. I expect to release Enigmail 1.9 in late Q3 or Q4 2015.

 Please let me know if this would cause major issues that I'm not aware of.

 -Patrick

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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

[Ian Mann]

Ludwig,

That worked after putting in the Path,

Thank you

Ian


On 05/02/15 07:01, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
 On 04.02.15 20:36, Ian Mann wrote:
  OK looks like I have GnuPG 2.0.22 on the system now.

  Do I have to tell enigmail to use that now? If so how do I manage
  that?

 It may be sufficient to restart Thunderbird, but I'm not sure.

 If not: You first have to know where gpg2 resides. This depends on the
 flavour of the linux system you have installed. Open a command shell
 window and type:

 which gpg2

 copy the path which is reported into

 Enigmail - Preferences - Override with setting. Make sure the
 checkbox left to it is set.

 If everything works, you'll be prompted by pinentry for your
 passphrase, not by enigmail itself. The pinentry used depends on your
 Linux flavour.

 HTH

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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

[Ian Mann]

gpg --version
gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.16
Copyright (C) 2013 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.

Home: ~/.gnupg
Supported algorithms:
Pubkey: RSA, RSA-E, RSA-S, ELG-E, DSA
Cypher: IDEA, 3DES, CAST5, BLOWFISH, AES, AES192, AES256, TWOFISH,
CAMELLIA128, CAMELLIA192, CAMELLIA256
Hash: MD5, SHA1, RIPEMD160, SHA256, SHA384, SHA512, SHA224
Compression: Uncompressed, ZIP, ZLIB, BZIP2


On 05/02/15 05:00, Bob Williams wrote:
 On 04/02/15 17:43, Ian Mann wrote:
  I hope it is directly from Enigmail as I don't feel confident to
  install GnuPG 2.x it separately on Ubuntu.

  Ian

 I'd be surprised if Ubuntu gives you GnuPG 1.4. What is the output of

 gpg --version?


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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

[Ian Mann]

Yes, I don't know much about tinkering with the system. I just want to use the 
applications.

For me to upgrade GnuPG to 2.x by myself would be stressful, I would be sure to 
stuff it up Bob.

On 05/02/15 05:26, Bob Williams wrote:
 On 04/02/15 18:18, Ian Mann wrote:
  On 05/02/15 05:00, Bob Williams wrote:
  On 04/02/15 17:43, Ian Mann wrote:
  I hope it is directly from Enigmail as I don't feel confident
  to install GnuPG 2.x it separately on Ubuntu.
 
  Ian
 
  I'd be surprised if Ubuntu gives you GnuPG 1.4. What is the
  output of
 
  gpg --version?
 
 
  gpg --version gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.16


 Well, that does surprise me. I can understand why you'd prefer an
 Enigmail wizard to guide you through the upgrade.

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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

[Ian Mann]

Thanks for that information Lars,

Ian

On 05/02/15 05:46, Lars Noodén wrote:
 On 04.02.2015 20:07, Alexander Buchner wrote:
 On 04.02.2015 19:00, Bob Williams wrote:
 I'd be surprised if Ubuntu gives you GnuPG 1.4. What is the output of

 gpg --version?
 I have a Ubuntu 14.10 system:

 @@@:~$ gpg --version
 gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.16
 ...
 Ubuntu 14.10 will expire soon anyway.  The non-LTS release now have only
 a 9-month life cycle.  Coming up, 15.04 will have GnuPG version 1.4.18,
 which is still 1.4.x

 The current LTS desktops, 12.04 and 14.04, use 1.4.11 and 1.4.16. They
 will be around until 2017 and 2019.  A search of backports for 14.04 LTS
 shows nothing in regards to GnuPG.

 Regards,
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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

[Ian Mann]

OK looks like I have GnuPG 2.0.22 on the system now.

Do I have to tell enigmail to use that now? If so how do I manage that?

Ian


gpg2 --version
gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.22
libgcrypt 1.5.3
Copyright (C) 2013 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.

Home: ~/.gnupg
Supported algorithms:
Pubkey: RSA, ELG, DSA, ?, ?
Cypher: IDEA, 3DES, CAST5, BLOWFISH, AES, AES192, AES256, TWOFISH,
CAMELLIA128, CAMELLIA192, CAMELLIA256
Hash: MD5, SHA1, RIPEMD160, SHA256, SHA384, SHA512, SHA224
Compression: Uncompressed, ZIP, ZLIB, BZIP2
ian@ian-GA-970A-D3:~$

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Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

[Ian Mann]

Yes, I would not have been able to do it without the help of you folk.

Ian


On 05/02/15 07:18, Doug Barton wrote:
 On 2/4/15 10:53 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 Well, that does surprise me. I can understand why you'd prefer an
 Enigmail wizard to guide you through the upgrade.

 It's not necessary.  Debian (and by extension Ubuntu) package Enigmail;
 thus, if you install a new version of Enigmail through the Debian (or
 Ubuntu) package installation mechanism, it will automagically install
 GnuPG 2 for you as a necessary dependency.

 Not all Debian/Ubuntu users install Enigmail as a package, now that it no 
 longer contains machine-dependent code.

 Or, you could just open a terminal window and type:

   sudo apt-get install gnupg2

 That will work to get it installed, yes. And now that gnupg can use the 
 socket method for gpg-agent on Unix it's a lot easier to set up than it used 
 to be. Users who want to take advantage of the gpg-agent for ssh purposes 
 still face a pretty steep learning curve, however.

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Re: [Enigmail] Help for a newbie?

[Ian Mann]

attached your public key so adele can encrypt back to you. I have attached my 
public key so you cant test with me if you like.



On 26/01/15 08:30, Camille Testa wrote:
 Okay, I can set messages to encrypt.  But when I do that with Adele,
 here's the reply I get:

 I was not able to decrypt an encrypted message body you have sent
 me. Maybe you encrypted the message with your own or someone else's
 public key. In order for me to be able to decrypt your message,
 it needs to be encrypted with my public key.

 Any ideas?

 On 1/25/15 16:11, Stefan Koch wrote:
  On 01/25/2015 10:06 PM, Camille Testa wrote:
  I got the public key through the Keyserver search, but I think
  I'm just missing the step activating the public key while writing
  a message.

  I just started to use a preview version of Enigmail, so it might
  look different, but I have a text saying This message will be
  signed above my mail composition window. I can click this (I think
  in the stable version there is an arrow you can click) and change
  options, so that it will also encrypt the message.

  In the new version apart from the message, I also have a lock
  icon, which I can click to toggle between sign/non-encrypted and
  sign/encrypted, but I think in the stable version it's only the
  text message with the arrow.

  Also check the mail account options under Account settings -
  your mail account - OpenGPG Security. there are also options to
  enable/disable encryption (by default). But apart from this, you
  should always be able to manually set it in the composition
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Re: [Enigmail] getting back html mail

[Ian Mann]

HTML works just fine in the nightly build - 1.8a1pre

So far I love everything about this version, it is a real improvement with 
noticeable changes from the last stable 1.7.2

A lot of good work has been done, thank you.

Ian


On 17/01/15 08:13, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
 On 16.01.15 19:32, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
  On Fri 2015-01-16 13:19:50 -0500, K Richard Pixley wrote:
 (...)
  If I can keep html viewing /and/ use enigmail, that would be ideal, imo.

 This is possible. Just go to View - Message Body As - Original HTML

  I do this already -- i'm surprised to hear that this didn't work for
  you, or that enigmail touched this setting.

 Enigmail does disable HTML view, but we're planning to change this for
 the next release version, as it doesn't make any sense and does not
 affect Enigmails operation.

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Re: [Enigmail] Videoconferencing

[Ian Mann]

Thanks for publicising it.


On 10/01/15 13:40, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 Looking out over the sea of communication technologies that have come to
 pass in the last few years, I realized that some of our users might
 wonder if it's possible to get help via avenues other than the forum or
 the mailing list.  The answer is yes, but...

 Yes, but...

   * We prefer to answer on the mailing list, so that other
 users who have your same problem can find the answer in
 a Google search.
   * We all have 9-to-5 jobs and families that expect to have
 first dibs on our time
   * We _really, really prefer_ to answer on the mailing list.
 :)

 That said, if you have a problem and you think that videoconferencing or
 voice communications would be helpful to you, please feel free to email
 a team member and ask if we can arrange some time to help you.  (Our
 first question will be, Have you asked on the list?)

 We can't make any promises about availability, and we might have to tell
 you no, sorry.  We might also hand you off to a team member who has
 more time and availability.  But if you need help, feel free to ask us:
 we might be available and we might tell you yes.

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

Hmm, re reading I see your point, and should be less than version, 1.7.2

Hmm,  I BCC'd and it seemed to encrypt but when I checked it was not encrypted, 
that is why I went looking on the web for an answer.

I was sending to one of my other accounts as a test.

I am kinda happy I have the nightly anyway with the improved Graphics.

Thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding - Ian


On 06/01/15 20:05, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
 Hi Ian,

 I'm afraid that there's a misunderstanding:

 On 06.01.15 08:52, Ian Mann wrote:
  I experienced BCC issues with 1.7.2 and searched the web and found
  this UK Register article.


 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/09/enigmail_encryption_error_prompts_plaintext_panic/

 The article says:

  ! The dangerous hole in the Mozilla Thunderbird extension affected
  ! email that was sent only to blind carbon copy recipients on all
  ! versions below 1.7.2 released last month.
  ^^^
 The BCC issue is solved with the 1.7.2 release.

  Subsequently I visited your web site and got the nightly 1.8a1 pre.

 You're invited to download and test our nightlies. However, there may
 always be bugs in the implementation of new features.

  I really like what you have done with the write message layout, its
  neat. I am also glad the BCC issue is corrected too, but the new
  layout was a pleasant surprise, thank you for all the work you do.
  You do a great job.

 You're welcome! Some of the graphic changes are the result of a
 usability study, so your thank goes to the authors of it!

 Ludwig

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

OK, rolled back to 1.7.2 TO: addressed back to my sending email
BCC one of my other accounts
BCC one of my other accounts


Pressed SEND, got pop up warning on BCC, DID PRESS HIDE BCC

Pressed NORMAL encryption, all went fine and received fine all encrypted.

I have no idea now what I did incorrectly when I encountered the unencrypted 
BCC issue.

Sorry to have posted ,misleading information.

Ian


On 06/01/15 21:35, Alexander Buchner wrote:
 On 06.01.2015 10:29, Ian Mann wrote:
 Hmm, re reading I see your point, and should be less than version, 1.7.2

 Hmm,  I BCC'd and it seemed to encrypt but when I checked it was not
 encrypted, that is why I went looking on the web for an answer.

 I was sending to one of my other accounts as a test.

 I am kinda happy I have the nightly anyway with the improved Graphics.

 Thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding - Ian
 If there is still a bug with BCCs in 1.7.2 then I think the developers
 don't know about it yet.
 So please file a bug report!

 This kind of bug would qualify for a new release then I think.




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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

OK, rolled back to 1.7.2 TO: addressed back to my sending email
BCC one of my other accounts
BCC one of my other accounts


Pressed SEND, got pop up warning on BCC, DID PRESS HIDE BCC

Pressed NORMAL encryption, all went fine and received fine all encrypted.

I have no idea now what I did incorrectly when I encountered the unencrypted 
BCC issue.

Sorry to have posted ,misleading information.

Ian




On 06/01/15 21:35, Alexander Buchner wrote:
 On 06.01.2015 10:29, Ian Mann wrote:
 Hmm, re reading I see your point, and should be less than version, 1.7.2

 Hmm,  I BCC'd and it seemed to encrypt but when I checked it was not
 encrypted, that is why I went looking on the web for an answer.

 I was sending to one of my other accounts as a test.

 I am kinda happy I have the nightly anyway with the improved Graphics.

 Thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding - Ian
 If there is still a bug with BCCs in 1.7.2 then I think the developers
 don't know about it yet.
 So please file a bug report!

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

Correction

OK, rolled back to 1.7.2 TO: addressed back to my sending email
BCC one of my other accounts
BCC one of my other accounts


Pressed SEND, got pop up warning on BCC, _DID NOT PRESS HIDE BC_C ***Note: 
added NOT

Pressed NORMAL encryption, all went fine and received fine all encrypted.

I have no idea now what I did incorrectly when I encountered the unencrypted 
BCC issue.

Sorry to have posted ,misleading information.

Ian
On 06/01/15 21:35, Alexander Buchner wrote:
 On 06.01.2015 10:29, Ian Mann wrote:
 Hmm, re reading I see your point, and should be less than version, 1.7.2

 Hmm,  I BCC'd and it seemed to encrypt but when I checked it was not
 encrypted, that is why I went looking on the web for an answer.

 I was sending to one of my other accounts as a test.

 I am kinda happy I have the nightly anyway with the improved Graphics.

 Thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding - Ian
 If there is still a bug with BCCs in 1.7.2 then I think the developers
 don't know about it yet.
 So please file a bug report!

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used.

BCC account 1
BCC account 2
BCC account 3

Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, all arrived unencrypted,



On 06/01/15 21:55, Onno Ekker wrote:
 According to the article Enigmail only sent unencrypted when the message was 
 sent *only* to BCC addresses, so to test properly you have to remove the TO 
 to your own address.

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Ian Mann an...@neomailbox.ch 
 mailto:an...@neomailbox.ch wrote:

 OK, rolled back to 1.7.2 TO: addressed back to my sending email
 BCC one of my other accounts
 BCC one of my other accounts


 Pressed SEND, got pop up warning on BCC, DID PRESS HIDE BCC

 Pressed NORMAL encryption, all went fine and received fine all encrypted.

 I have no idea now what I did incorrectly when I encountered the 
 unencrypted BCC issue.

 Sorry to have posted ,misleading information.

 Ian


 On 06/01/15 21:35, Alexander Buchner wrote:
 On 06.01.2015 10:29, Ian Mann wrote:
 Hmm, re reading I see your point, and should be less than version, 1.7.2

 Hmm,  I BCC'd and it seemed to encrypt but when I checked it was not
 encrypted, that is why I went looking on the web for an answer.

 I was sending to one of my other accounts as a test.

 I am kinda happy I have the nightly anyway with the improved Graphics.

 Thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding - Ian
 If there is still a bug with BCCs in 1.7.2 then I think the developers
 don't know about it yet.
 So please file a bug report!

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

Have tested 1.7.2 and 1.8 version the same way, they way you pointed out.

Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used.
and tested 1.7.2 the same method

BCC account 1
BCC account 2
BCC account 3

Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, all arrived unencrypted,

If this really is a bug someone else should be able to get the same result.
If I use a TO: filed, it all works fine and the BCC prompt happens.

I have no idea how to lodge a bug report.

Ian




On 06/01/15 21:55, Onno Ekker wrote:
 According to the article Enigmail only sent unencrypted when the message was 
 sent *only* to BCC addresses, so to test properly you have to remove the TO 
 to your own address.

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Ian Mann an...@neomailbox.ch 
 mailto:an...@neomailbox.ch wrote:

 OK, rolled back to 1.7.2 TO: addressed back to my sending email
 BCC one of my other accounts
 BCC one of my other accounts


 Pressed SEND, got pop up warning on BCC, DID PRESS HIDE BCC

 Pressed NORMAL encryption, all went fine and received fine all encrypted.

 I have no idea now what I did incorrectly when I encountered the 
 unencrypted BCC issue.

 Sorry to have posted ,misleading information.

 Ian


 On 06/01/15 21:35, Alexander Buchner wrote:
 On 06.01.2015 10:29, Ian Mann wrote:
 Hmm, re reading I see your point, and should be less than version, 1.7.2

 Hmm,  I BCC'd and it seemed to encrypt but when I checked it was not
 encrypted, that is why I went looking on the web for an answer.

 I was sending to one of my other accounts as a test.

 I am kinda happy I have the nightly anyway with the improved Graphics.

 Thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding - Ian
 If there is still a bug with BCCs in 1.7.2 then I think the developers
 don't know about it yet.
 So please file a bug report!

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

Probably so, it works if I use one TO: Filed, If all are BCC: I get that odd 
result where none are encrypted. Give me a minute to check the answers to the 
questions on set up you ask.

Ian


On 06/01/15 22:26, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
 Hi Ian,

 On 06.01.15 12:13, Ian Mann wrote:
  Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used.

  BCC account 1
  BCC account 2
  BCC account 3

  Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, all arrived unencrypted,

 I cannot reproduce this here using the nightly. Also, I get the BCC warning.

 This means that there is something wrong with - at least - your setup.
 Maybe there is still a bug. Let's explore this phenomenon.

 What are your settings?

 Is Convenient encryption enabled?
 Are there Per-Recipient rules for the BCC recipients?

 Would you please perform the test another time (after a restart of
 Thunderbird) and send us (ludwig at enigmail dot net and patrick at
 enigmail dot net) the debug log? Using the latest nightly, you don't
 need to set up logging, you always get a debug log (Enigmail -
 Debugging - View log, then press the save button).

 Thanks for helping!

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

Manual encryption
No BCC rules



On 06/01/15 22:26, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
 Hi Ian,

 On 06.01.15 12:13, Ian Mann wrote:
  Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used.

  BCC account 1
  BCC account 2
  BCC account 3

  Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, all arrived unencrypted,

 I cannot reproduce this here using the nightly. Also, I get the BCC warning.

 This means that there is something wrong with - at least - your setup.
 Maybe there is still a bug. Let's explore this phenomenon.

 What are your settings?

 Is Convenient encryption enabled?
 Are there Per-Recipient rules for the BCC recipients?

 Would you please perform the test another time (after a restart of
 Thunderbird) and send us (ludwig at enigmail dot net and patrick at
 enigmail dot net) the debug log? Using the latest nightly, you don't
 need to set up logging, you always get a debug log (Enigmail -
 Debugging - View log, then press the save button).

 Thanks for helping!

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

I can add something furtherfor version 1.8

I watched as I entered the accounts into the boxes, when I made them BCC the 
padlock dropped out. Encryption OFF.

I went and re clicked the padlock and and it showed locked, or encrypted.

This time when I pressed send I got a warning and all arrived encrypted.




On 06/01/15 22:26, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
 Hi Ian,

 On 06.01.15 12:13, Ian Mann wrote:
  Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used.

  BCC account 1
  BCC account 2
  BCC account 3

  Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, all arrived unencrypted,

 I cannot reproduce this here using the nightly. Also, I get the BCC warning.

 This means that there is something wrong with - at least - your setup.
 Maybe there is still a bug. Let's explore this phenomenon.

 What are your settings?

 Is Convenient encryption enabled?
 Are there Per-Recipient rules for the BCC recipients?

 Would you please perform the test another time (after a restart of
 Thunderbird) and send us (ludwig at enigmail dot net and patrick at
 enigmail dot net) the debug log? Using the latest nightly, you don't
 need to set up logging, you always get a debug log (Enigmail -
 Debugging - View log, then press the save button).

 Thanks for helping!

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

I am going to stick with ver 1.8 because of the graphics in write mode.


The fact that you can see the large padlock alerted me to the issue I was 
experiencing.


Ian

On 06/01/15 22:26, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
 Hi Ian,

 On 06.01.15 12:13, Ian Mann wrote:
  Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used.

  BCC account 1
  BCC account 2
  BCC account 3

  Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, all arrived unencrypted,

 I cannot reproduce this here using the nightly. Also, I get the BCC warning.

 This means that there is something wrong with - at least - your setup.
 Maybe there is still a bug. Let's explore this phenomenon.

 What are your settings?

 Is Convenient encryption enabled?
 Are there Per-Recipient rules for the BCC recipients?

 Would you please perform the test another time (after a restart of
 Thunderbird) and send us (ludwig at enigmail dot net and patrick at
 enigmail dot net) the debug log? Using the latest nightly, you don't
 need to set up logging, you always get a debug log (Enigmail -
 Debugging - View log, then press the save button).

 Thanks for helping!

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Re: [Enigmail] having trouble setting up enigmail.

[Ian Mann]

attach your Public Key and send.



On 07/01/15 05:30, Joe wrote:
 Hello all. hoping I can get some quick help/pointers. I send test emails
 to the adele bot and it keeps sending this back.
 
 Unfortunately I could not encrypt my reply to you. A possible reason is
 that the key you sent me might be a signing-only key (set so during key
 generation). You can sign with such a key but one cannot encrypt
 messages with it. Since your message to me was encrypted, it may have
 contained sensitive data. Therefore I won't quote it in my unencrypted
 answer. If you send me a key that I can encrypt to, I will quote your
 reply in an encrypted message.

 just trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. first try with
 encryption. =) thanks for any help you can give.

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Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

I am going to make a point of not using BCC now.

Some may have valid reasons for needing it. I just happened to key BCC by 
mistake initially and noticed the result.

That is my two cents worth.

Ian



On 07/01/15 03:23, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 On 06.01.15 15:23, Philip Jackson wrote:
  On 06/01/15 13:07, Ian Mann wrote:
  I am going to stick with ver 1.8 because of the graphics in
  write mode.
 
 
  The fact that you can see the large padlock alerted me to the
  issue I was experiencing.
 

  I've been using Running Enigmail version 1.8a1pre
  (20150102-0013) since 2nd Jan and my first reaction was to wonder
  where the sign and encrypt buttons had gone to as I searched a
  vacant right hand side of the tool bar.

  Then I saw the new enigmail toolbar and I do think it's an
  improvement.

 I agree. We're still working on improving the icons, but it's
 certainly a lot better now than before.

  I use convenient encryption setting  and if I write 'TO' an
  address where I have the public key of the person, the padlock is
  yellow and I see that the message will be encrypted.

  As soon as I change the 'TO' to 'BCC' or 'Reply to' the padlock
  goes grey and the message will not be encrypted.

  Changing to 'CC' gets yellow padlock and encrypted message status.

  Changing back to 'TO' or 'CC' gets encryption back - and this can
  be repeated ad infinitum.

  If it hadn't been for this thread, I'm not sure I would have
  noticed the padlock changing colour.

  Curiously, if I use two address lines, one for 'TO' or 'CC' and
  other for 'BCC' or 'Reply to' (both addresses for which I have
  public keys), the padlock stays yellow.   It doesn't matter in
  which order these two address lines are.

  There is another oddity :

  If I have one address line 'TO' with an address for which I have
  the key. the padlock is yellow and the message will be encrypted.

  If I add a second line 'TO' or 'CC' with an address for which I do
  not have the public key, the padlock goes grey and the message
  will not be encrypted.

  But if I change the second 'TO' to 'BCC' or 'Reply to', the
  padlock goes yellow again and the text says the message will be
  encrypted.

  I didn't send any of the emails - I'm only commenting on visual
  behaviour (display logic).  It would look like the display logic
  needs re-examining.

 The point here is (I know, it's not well enough documented) that I
 decided to ignore per-recipient rules for BCC recipient; and we also
 decided to exclude BCC recipients from some of the logic for
 enabling/disabling encryption. Unfortunately I don't recall the reasons.

 If you think this should be changed, then you're invited to discuss
 this here. I never use BCC recipients in conjunction with encryption,
 so I can't really estimate how to proceed here.

 -Patrick



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[Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

[Ian Mann]

I experienced BCC issues with 1.7.2 and searched the web and found this UK 
Register article.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/09/enigmail_encryption_error_prompts_plaintext_panic/
Subsequently I visited your web site and got the nightly 1.8a1 pre.

I really like what you have done with the write message layout, its neat. I am 
also glad the BCC issue is corrected too, but the new layout was a pleasant 
surprise, thank you for all the work you do. You do a great job.



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Re: [Enigmail] General Opinion and unverified bug

[Ian Mann]

I can only reiterate my thanks and support for those that perform the 
maintenance and coding of Enigmail. I am just a novice user and everything 
appears to work seamlessly. I followed the step by step instructions on setting 
up, and it all worked first time. At that stage I knew very little about 
encryption and how it actually worked. I still don't know the details of its 
working but only the process described by one oe two websites. I think it is 
fantastic, and very simple to use.

Ian



On 05/01/15 05:19, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
 This is in my opinion not rational as well. Not contributing to a good
 project, because others aren't rational? Seems like a lame excuse for me.
 As soon as your opinion of me matters a whit, I’ll let you know.  Until then, 
 regardless of whether you think it’s a lame excuse, it will continue to be my 
 policy.

 In a perfect world it would be probably cool, to don't have
 non-intellgence developers on crypto-software, but we don't have much
 skilled contributers, and as long the software gets better in a
 objective and in a measurable (I think it's possible), it's better than
 not contributing.
 I will let other people chime in with their thoughts on your opinion of, 
 “sure, let’s invite intelligence professionals to make code contributions to 
 GnuPG and Enigmail.”

 Same argument as above. A rational community should not take irrational
 people seriously.
 Then you won’t have a community.  Human beings aren’t rational.  The quickest 
 way to have no community is to insist that to be part of the community you 
 must lack human failings, like irrationality.

 If I'm reading the You know spooks, right? and What are they like?,
 it's not only the case, that you have a father, who is a judge, but you
 know other people from the intelligence community.
 Given the FBI is an intelligence agency, then yes, I’ve hung out with 
 intelligence types since I was about eleven.  (State judges know the local 
 police and sheriffs and troopers.  Federal judges know the federal police — 
 FBI, Marshals Service, DEA, and more.)

 I understand you don’t think the FBI is an intelligence agency.  You’re wrong.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation

 Additionally I don't like your argumentation. In my opinion you are
 relativizing the status of people from the intelligence community by
 making everybody a spook. Sorry, no. There is a difference, between
 googling a blind date’s name and working for the state to achieve
 secret operations and doing things like economic espionage and the
 espionage of the United Nations.
 Secret knowledge isn’t required:

 https://www.google.com/#q=OSINT

 Nor is working for the state a prerequisite:

 https://www.google.com/#q=Business%20intelligence

 You seem to have a view of the world which requires that intelligence be 
 state-sanctioned, clandestine or covert, etc., etc.  It’s not.  All being in 
 the intel business means is you’re acquiring information on behalf of 
 decisionmakers — that’s all.

 In the modern era, we are *all* in the intelligence business… a fact which, I 
 think, is poorly recognized by the world.



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