Re: [e-users] E-20 cannot create Ibar Icon

2016-01-15 Thread Larry Wyble 
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:51:51 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:29:40 + Peter Flynn 
> said:
> 
> > On 14/01/16 21:10, Larry Wyble wrote:  
> > > 
> > > When I right click Ibar and then "new Icon" and go through the
> > > motions of creating a new icon, it never appears on the Ibar.
> > > When I click apply and then close it there's nothing. I'v tried
> > > it several times and nothing.  
> > 
> > I always get error messages about not having write access to
> > /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/enlightenment/icons when I add an
> > icon to an Ibar application (several of them are defective as they
> > have no icon).
> > 
> > Of course, I never remember this bug, so the first time this
> > happens on a new install, I just chown myself those directories for
> > a few minutes while I fix the missing icons. And of course the
> > first one I fix has to be re-done, because the error message
> > appears *after* e17 tried to write the icon (and failed :-)
> > 
> > Something is wrong in the assumptions somewhere, as end-users would
> > not normally have write access to those directories, so it's
> > invalid that e17 would expect to be able to write into them.  
> 
> the problem is youa re editing a SYSTEM SUPPLIED desktop file. e is
> expecting that to edit..l you edit one that belongs to you (that you
> created). thus it is trying to mess with system paths not in $HOME.
> yes - it likely should duplicate the desktop file into $HOME THEN
> edit. but it doesn't.

So, dude.. (yes I said dude, I'm 66 years old and I said dude, lol)
dude, is there a work around?  :)


> 
> > Why are so many apps missing icons? Terminal is the most
> > obvious...  
> 
> you havent selected an icon theme? the one selected is invalid or not
> there? configure an icon theme.
> 
> > This is under Ubuntu 15.04 and 15.10, but it does htis under 14* as
> > well.
> > 
> > ///Peter
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Re: [e-users] E-20 cannot create Ibar Icon

2016-01-15 Thread Mick 
On Friday 15 Jan 2016 09:41:06 Larry Wyble wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:51:51 +0900
> 
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:

> > the problem is youa re editing a SYSTEM SUPPLIED desktop file. e is
> > expecting that to edit..l you edit one that belongs to you (that you
> > created). thus it is trying to mess with system paths not in $HOME.
> > yes - it likely should duplicate the desktop file into $HOME THEN
> > edit. but it doesn't.
> 
> So, dude.. (yes I said dude, I'm 66 years old and I said dude, lol)
> dude, is there a work around?  :)

As already suggested, the workaround is to:

a) define a theme for icons:

Settings/Look/Application Theme/Icons

Select different themes from there until you find something that provides 
icons to your liking.

> > > Why are so many apps missing icons? Terminal is the most
> > > obvious...
> > 
> > you havent selected an icon theme? the one selected is invalid or not
> > there? configure an icon theme.
> > 
> > > This is under Ubuntu 15.04 and 15.10, but it does htis under 14* as
> > > well.
> > > 
> > > ///Peter

b) If a particular application does not have an icon, you can define your own.

Create a file under ~/.local/share/applications/.desktop with your 
preferred icon and path to the application, or point to your icon of choice 
under /usr/share/icons/

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Re: [e-users] E-20 cannot create Ibar Icon

2016-01-15 Thread Larry Wyble 
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:51:21 +
Mick  wrote:

> On Friday 15 Jan 2016 09:41:06 Larry Wyble wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:51:51 +0900
> > 
> > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:  
> 
> > > the problem is youa re editing a SYSTEM SUPPLIED desktop file. e
> > > is expecting that to edit..l you edit one that belongs to you
> > > (that you created). thus it is trying to mess with system paths
> > > not in $HOME. yes - it likely should duplicate the desktop file
> > > into $HOME THEN edit. but it doesn't.  
> > 
> > So, dude.. (yes I said dude, I'm 66 years old and I said dude, lol)
> > dude, is there a work around?  :)  
> 
> As already suggested, the workaround is to:
> 
> a) define a theme for icons:
> 
> Settings/Look/Application Theme/Icons
> 
> Select different themes from there until you find something that
> provides icons to your liking.

Oh, OK. I'll give that a shot. Thanks EVERYBODY  for the help. I
greatly appreciate it.  



> > > > Why are so many apps missing icons? Terminal is the most
> > > > obvious...  
> > > 
> > > you havent selected an icon theme? the one selected is invalid or
> > > not there? configure an icon theme.
> > >   
> > > > This is under Ubuntu 15.04 and 15.10, but it does htis under
> > > > 14* as well.
> > > > 
> > > > ///Peter  
> 
> b) If a particular application does not have an icon, you can define
> your own.
> 
> Create a file under ~/.local/share/applications/.desktop with
> your preferred icon and path to the application, or point to your
> icon of choice under /usr/share/icons/
> 


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Re: [e-users] E-20 cannot create Ibar Icon

2016-01-15 Thread Peter Flynn 
On 01/15/2016 12:51 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:29:40 + Peter Flynn  said:
[...]
> the problem is you are editing a SYSTEM SUPPLIED desktop file.

I am? I wasn't aware of that.

> e is expecting
> that to edit..l you edit one that belongs to you (that you created). 

I think this probably needs documenting. Did you mean that to add an
icon to an icon-less application in the IBar, I should first create some
file?

> thus it is
> trying to mess with system paths not in $HOME. yes - it likely should 
> duplicate
> the desktop file into $HOME THEN edit. but it doesn't.

I don't know how the IBar works, so I don't know what it has to do with
desktop files. But yes, it sounds like you are right.

>> Why are so many apps missing icons? Terminal is the most obvious...
>> 
> you havent selected an icon theme? 

I'm not clear what relevance a theme has here. There is only one theme,
the default, it seems to be called "Dark".

The problem I describe occurs in a freshly-installed system (Ubuntu
14.4) immediately after installing e17 (and logging out and back in with
e). No configuration has taken place yet. There is no choice of themes
(that I am aware of).

> the one selected is invalid or not there?
> configure an icon theme.

I can't see where to do this: there is nothing about icon themes in
Settings > Settings Panel.

In any case, I'm not clear why should I configure a theme in order to
make an application in the IBar have an icon. The icons should be
present by default but many are missing.

1. right-click on an icon in the IBar
2. pick IBar
3. pick Contents

Look at the list of applications: many icons are missing. This is the
problem. If you add one of those applications to the IBar, it appears
with no icon.

///Peter

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Re: [e-users] E-20 cannot create Ibar Icon

2016-01-15 Thread The Rasterman 
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:41:06 -0600 Larry Wyble  said:

> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:51:51 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:29:40 + Peter Flynn 
> > said:
> > 
> > > On 14/01/16 21:10, Larry Wyble wrote:  
> > > > 
> > > > When I right click Ibar and then "new Icon" and go through the
> > > > motions of creating a new icon, it never appears on the Ibar.
> > > > When I click apply and then close it there's nothing. I'v tried
> > > > it several times and nothing.  
> > > 
> > > I always get error messages about not having write access to
> > > /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/enlightenment/icons when I add an
> > > icon to an Ibar application (several of them are defective as they
> > > have no icon).
> > > 
> > > Of course, I never remember this bug, so the first time this
> > > happens on a new install, I just chown myself those directories for
> > > a few minutes while I fix the missing icons. And of course the
> > > first one I fix has to be re-done, because the error message
> > > appears *after* e17 tried to write the icon (and failed :-)
> > > 
> > > Something is wrong in the assumptions somewhere, as end-users would
> > > not normally have write access to those directories, so it's
> > > invalid that e17 would expect to be able to write into them.  
> > 
> > the problem is youa re editing a SYSTEM SUPPLIED desktop file. e is
> > expecting that to edit..l you edit one that belongs to you (that you
> > created). thus it is trying to mess with system paths not in $HOME.
> > yes - it likely should duplicate the desktop file into $HOME THEN
> > edit. but it doesn't.
> 
> So, dude.. (yes I said dude, I'm 66 years old and I said dude, lol)
> dude, is there a work around?  :)

cp the appropriate desktop file to ~/.local/share/applications/ if you want to
customize. if the issue is "i dont see an icon" then select an icon theme under
settings -> look -> application theme -> icons


> > > Why are so many apps missing icons? Terminal is the most
> > > obvious...  
> > 
> > you havent selected an icon theme? the one selected is invalid or not
> > there? configure an icon theme.
> > 
> > > This is under Ubuntu 15.04 and 15.10, but it does htis under 14* as
> > > well.
> > > 
> > > ///Peter
> > > 
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Re: [e-users] E-20 cannot create Ibar Icon

2016-01-15 Thread The Rasterman 
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:22:14 + Peter Flynn  said:

> On 01/15/2016 12:51 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:29:40 + Peter Flynn  said:
> [...]
> > the problem is you are editing a SYSTEM SUPPLIED desktop file.
> 
> I am? I wasn't aware of that.
> 
> > e is expecting
> > that to edit..l you edit one that belongs to you (that you created). 
> 
> I think this probably needs documenting. Did you mean that to add an
> icon to an icon-less application in the IBar, I should first create some
> file?

no - i was talking about the "cannot write to file in /usr/share/..." thing.

> > thus it is
> > trying to mess with system paths not in $HOME. yes - it likely should
> > duplicate the desktop file into $HOME THEN edit. but it doesn't.
> 
> I don't know how the IBar works, so I don't know what it has to do with
> desktop files. But yes, it sounds like you are right.

it displays a LISt of desktop files. ll it is is a single file in a dir that
lists desktop file names. e "finds them" in the search path for desktop files.
wherever they happen to be.

> >> Why are so many apps missing icons? Terminal is the most obvious...
> >> 
> > you havent selected an icon theme? 
> 
> I'm not clear what relevance a theme has here. There is only one theme,
> the default, it seems to be called "Dark".

no - ICON theme. not theme. settings -> look -> application theme -> icons

> The problem I describe occurs in a freshly-installed system (Ubuntu
> 14.4) immediately after installing e17 (and logging out and back in with
> e). No configuration has taken place yet. There is no choice of themes
> (that I am aware of).

there is - as above. the problem is e has a default configured theme that you
don't have installed thus it's ending up not finding icons. select one and
you'll be fine.

> > the one selected is invalid or not there?
> > configure an icon theme.
> 
> I can't see where to do this: there is nothing about icon themes in
> Settings > Settings Panel.

yes there is. settings -> look application theme -> icons

> In any case, I'm not clear why should I configure a theme in order to
> make an application in the IBar have an icon. The icons should be
> present by default but many are missing.

because of the XDG theme spec. if the configured theme does not exist - we
can't use its configured fallbacks. an icon theme specifies what theme(s) to
fall back on to next if it doesnt contain an icon for that. if the theme is not
there there is no data to read for a fallback.

> 1. right-click on an icon in the IBar
> 2. pick IBar
> 3. pick Contents
> 
> Look at the list of applications: many icons are missing. This is the
> problem. If you add one of those applications to the IBar, it appears
> with no icon.
> 
> ///Peter
> 
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