Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
@raster: I'm curious about the gtkrc you made. The attachment, as usual, failed to arrive at the mailing list. Could you paste it somewhere and share the link? Thanks. M On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 00:22:08 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: They aren't just talking about the Bodhi theme. They are talking about E in general. i read the thread - the reddit one, and they are. when they are specific: Looks like a baby took a shit on your screen as you were taking screenshots. Suggestion, use less baby shit green. I hope you find this new information helpful. and they continue down that thread. green in the bodhi theme screenshot. the original comment from bitchessuck was ambiguous but during that thead he clearly seems to be talking of the bodhi theme. more comments on the bodhi screenshot thread: Some things are subjective, but others aren't. Consider color schemes or consistency. Yeah, but only slightly I should also mention the fonts are too large, and the icons are awful. The icon size isn't the problem, although the size of one of the icons is off. The icons have wildly different style, the power icon is just ugly and badly drawn, and the meaning of those icons is hard to guess. Alignment is also a bit off. in fact the majority of comments on the reddit thread are clearly about the bodhi theme thread, with others ambiguous. the webupd8 one i quoted below - the things people specifically criticize OTHER than it's dark and i don't like dark (which was basically one guy) and it doesn't look flat and modern were about poor mismatching in the ui - the red glossy class shiny power button for example. the awful gradients in efm thanks to the different theme. i took the time out to read the entire reddit thread and webupd8 thread. there is a pattern: 1. people don't like the half-arsed themes with inconsistency. 2. there are a bunch of people who think it must be modern and flat or then it sucks 3. there are some people who don't like dark stuff there are ALSO people who indicate they LIKE the non-flat look also in those threads. there are people who indicate they LIKE the dark. some like these, some don't, but i saw no one champion inconsistent looks. That web update thread goes back to a point where we don't have a default Bodhi theme - we have a selection of themes at startup which includes your dark default theme. What doesn't look consistent and/or polished about our current theme for 3.0.0? Just like the default - it can come in many different colors, so saying green is bad is a cop out. As many have mentioned it looks fairly similar to unity - which many of these same people complaining about how E looks/functions are happy with. didn't i repeat it often enough below? PEOPLE JUDGE YOU ON YOUR SCREENSHOTS. they don't see the other colors - they see the one image on that blog post and then make their decision. it's not a copy out. you asked what all that response is about - it is about the screenshot on your blog. webup8 is about the set of screenshots in the article above. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: i'm going to respond here and include some stuff put into the thread so far. before i do that note that several efl devs you'd want to talk to are not subscribed to this mailing list, so expect you are seeing a subset of the audience. now covering some of the reddit comments. they are talking of the bodhi linux theme, and at a personal level, i agree. i don't like it. why? color selection for starters. orange and green. not a great choice. the default theme isn't an accident. i actually did research. i didn't want to be light as frankly it's glaring on the eyes and looking at a large set of our userbase, they like dark themes. also it's different and thus makes e stand out. if e blends in and is just like everything else, then from a marketing point of view, we have much less to offer. now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some contrast and difference between elements than pure black), with blue hilights. blue is NOT an accident: http://isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/popularcolor/popularcolor http://www.infoplease.com/spot/colors1.html http://www.hgtv.com/color/the-5-most-popular-colors-from-hgtvcom/pictures/index.html http://www.thetoptens.com/top-ten-favorite-colors/ http://forum.softpedia.com/topic/577468-culoarea-masinii-preferinte-in-diverse-zone-ale-globului/ http://autos.aol.com/article/color-study-2009/ http://www.mojomotors.com/blog/the-most-popular-car-colors/
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
On 06/11/2014 05:20 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some contrast and difference between elements than pure black), with blue hilights. blue is NOT an accident: Well, I am not an artist. Mmm, maybe I am not an artist... Anyway, a color alone does not make sense. It is always in some environment. In this case, the black neutral background is cooled by the blue, giving a fairly cool environment. That disturbs me, so I have changed the blue to a more warm yellow, to warm the whole. Another solution could be to keep the blue but to warm the black background (with a touch of orange -complementary of blue -, giving a warm black slightly brown ) to equilibrate the whole. This is what I would like to try some day... -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:22:00 +0200 Martin Koelewijn martinkoelew...@gmail.com said: @raster: I'm curious about the gtkrc you made. The attachment, as usual, failed to arrive at the mailing list. Could you paste it somewhere and share the link? Thanks. https://phab.enlightenment.org/file/info/PHID-FILE-dpri745rnyuhghdlljdn/ M On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 00:22:08 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: They aren't just talking about the Bodhi theme. They are talking about E in general. i read the thread - the reddit one, and they are. when they are specific: Looks like a baby took a shit on your screen as you were taking screenshots. Suggestion, use less baby shit green. I hope you find this new information helpful. and they continue down that thread. green in the bodhi theme screenshot. the original comment from bitchessuck was ambiguous but during that thead he clearly seems to be talking of the bodhi theme. more comments on the bodhi screenshot thread: Some things are subjective, but others aren't. Consider color schemes or consistency. Yeah, but only slightly I should also mention the fonts are too large, and the icons are awful. The icon size isn't the problem, although the size of one of the icons is off. The icons have wildly different style, the power icon is just ugly and badly drawn, and the meaning of those icons is hard to guess. Alignment is also a bit off. in fact the majority of comments on the reddit thread are clearly about the bodhi theme thread, with others ambiguous. the webupd8 one i quoted below - the things people specifically criticize OTHER than it's dark and i don't like dark (which was basically one guy) and it doesn't look flat and modern were about poor mismatching in the ui - the red glossy class shiny power button for example. the awful gradients in efm thanks to the different theme. i took the time out to read the entire reddit thread and webupd8 thread. there is a pattern: 1. people don't like the half-arsed themes with inconsistency. 2. there are a bunch of people who think it must be modern and flat or then it sucks 3. there are some people who don't like dark stuff there are ALSO people who indicate they LIKE the non-flat look also in those threads. there are people who indicate they LIKE the dark. some like these, some don't, but i saw no one champion inconsistent looks. That web update thread goes back to a point where we don't have a default Bodhi theme - we have a selection of themes at startup which includes your dark default theme. What doesn't look consistent and/or polished about our current theme for 3.0.0? Just like the default - it can come in many different colors, so saying green is bad is a cop out. As many have mentioned it looks fairly similar to unity - which many of these same people complaining about how E looks/functions are happy with. didn't i repeat it often enough below? PEOPLE JUDGE YOU ON YOUR SCREENSHOTS. they don't see the other colors - they see the one image on that blog post and then make their decision. it's not a copy out. you asked what all that response is about - it is about the screenshot on your blog. webup8 is about the set of screenshots in the article above. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: i'm going to respond here and include some stuff put into the thread so far. before i do that note that several efl devs you'd want to talk to are not subscribed to this mailing list, so expect you are seeing a subset of the audience. now covering some of the reddit comments. they are talking of the bodhi linux theme, and at a personal level, i agree. i don't like it. why? color selection for starters. orange and green. not a great choice. the default theme isn't an accident. i actually did research. i didn't want to be light as frankly it's glaring on the eyes and looking at a large set of our userbase, they like dark themes. also it's different and thus makes e stand out. if e blends in and is just like everything else, then from a marketing point of view, we have much less to offer. now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some contrast and difference between elements than pure black), with blue hilights. blue is NOT an accident: http://isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/popularcolor/popularcolor http://www.infoplease.com/spot/colors1.html http://www.hgtv.com/color/the-5-most-popular-colors-from-hgtvcom/pictures/index.html
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:17:07 +0200 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: On 06/11/2014 05:20 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some contrast and difference between elements than pure black), with blue hilights. blue is NOT an accident: Well, I am not an artist. Mmm, maybe I am not an artist... Anyway, a color alone does not make sense. It is always in some environment. In this case, the black neutral background is cooled by the blue, giving a fairly cool environment. That disturbs me, so I have changed the blue to a more warm yellow, to warm the whole. Another solution could be to keep the blue but to warm the black background (with a touch of orange -complementary of blue -, giving a warm black slightly brown ) to equilibrate the whole. This is what I would like to try some day... i like the cool look. it's calm and slick. like wearing a nice dark grey/black suit with a nice blue shirt and black tie... :) http://thesuitsofjamesbond.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Charcoal-Windowpane-4.jpg :) -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On 11/06/14 06:40, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: I presume I am missing a packate not listed in the BuildReqiures of the source rpm, but the answer eludes me. missing opengl development headers etc. maybe mesa-devel or something? don't know. but you want GL/gl.h in it. I have GL/gl.h from the mesa-libGL-devel package I also have libGLESv2 from the package mesa-libGLES package But, I also have an nvidia supplied libGLESv2.so.337.19 Could this be an issue with buidling against nvidia drivers? -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
Hi to all, I have created the E19 Theme Radiance and I hope to give my point of view at this useful discussion and let you explain the goal of my theme. I'm sorry if the mail is long, please read all or jump on the end of the mail to a short version of my point of view :D Thanks for all your feedback, there's some useful tips about icons and battery gadget (pretty sure battery gadget uses the same codes of default E theme cause I don't have a laptop and I can't test it) and I'll look at that when I have more free time. This thread is much more useful than the flame topic on reddit :) Here's the goals of what is my Radiance theme. FIRST GOAL: UNIFIED LOOK When I use a DE I need that the theme is unique for all applications. So I have to create a theme that matches well with a GTK themes. On the past I've ported for GTK2 some E17 themes (blingbling, Gant and A-lots of A-Agust's A-themes), but with the release of GTK3 I can't create a GTK2 and a GTK3 theme both. So while I don't want to port E17 Theme to GTK3, I've decided to create E17 themes that cames from the design of GTK3. GTK3, like E, every update can screw a little (or a big) part of the theme, so keep it mainteined it's a big job, if you noticed themes available for GTK3 soon or later go old. There's a couple of theme that are keep updated: Adwaita (you don't say?) and Light Themes Radiance and Ambiance theme, from Ubuntu. I preferer between Radiance, Ambiance and Adwaita the first one, so I've create a theme that matches well with Radiance. Yes. E with Radiance looks like Ubuntu. I don't like Ubuntu or Unity, but I want that E applications look like GTK's ones and there's a few GTK themes on the place that are updated. So I choose the theme that I like more: Radiance. SECOND GOAL: ...A LOT OF COLORS As on Black and White and a Lot of Colors http://avduma.deviantart.com/art/Black-and-White-and-a-lot-of-colors-351791124 , I love the possibility E gives to change colors with Settings - Looks - Colors. I've suggested the creator of relighted theme to use this features and it is born Relightable and I've used the same idea also on Radiance. I've invented nothing new 'cause color classes is a cool options from EDJE. SO On Radiance Theme you can edit ALL the colors. Don't you like Radiance Color Scheme? Change it! So if you feel purply one day, change your color, if you feel bluey or reddy or yellowy, you can change color scheme. Easly, with a GUI. Unfortunately E-devs have removed Focus options from Color Settings GUI (please readd the options! :D ) and the Ubuntu Orange of selected items is changeable only decompiling the theme BUT I've created a file named radconf that with #define options allows to change color scheme like in old GNOME 2 way: background, foreground, selected background, selected foreground, etc etc. If you want to change more deeply, you can see on color_class.edc and change the theme. No digging on edc files and search the correct part because it's all binded to a color class. So if you want to use another GTK theme (I've used ZonColor Green for a while with my Radiance Theme and it is looking good: http://imgur.com/DZdz041.png ) you have three different way to best fit your tasties. For Bodhi Linux I've started to edit the color scheme of my theme and GTK theme to something that takes orange and green color directly from the color of the Bodhi Linux CSS site. All the question about colors psychology, fashion, de gustibus I remand directly to Jeff and/or Joris about the scheme, I've followed their scheme. If you don't like some gadgets or modules or pixmap I've choose, I happily change to best fit user interfaces guidelines or tasties. If you don't like rounded borders, the murrina shines that Radiance and Ubuntu themes have, I understand your thoughts. If you want square and flat just because now it's modern or fancy fashion it is your choiche, I respect but I don't have plan to create something like this becuase I like murrina shine, the good old GTK 2 and the cube, flames and other RAM warping effects of compiz :) (and you all can keep the change http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvBmWOf8m0 -sorry for the flame :) - ) BUT If you don't like Color Scheme, please consider to change the colors. I've spend a lot of time using white pixmap to allows this feature and avoid tons of themes with same pixmap but different colors (unfortunately E17 had a lots of this themes and they all look amateurish / not complete / crappy). At the moment I'm not on E, so I can't send you a shot of my theme gray and blue, like Elementary OS, but, for ezample, IT IS POSSIBLE. So please change the theme to best fit your color. It's all explained on my deviantArt page here http://avduma.deviantart.com/#/art/E19-Radiance-Theme-with-a-Lot-of-Colors-451995096?hf=1 or on e17-stuff http://e17-stuff.org/content/show.php/Radiance...+with+a+Lot+of+Colors?content=165101 and spread the screenshot with the theme with different colors to show that if you don't
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
On 06/11/2014 12:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:17:07 +0200 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: On 06/11/2014 05:20 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some contrast and difference between elements than pure black), with blue hilights. blue is NOT an accident: Well, I am not an artist. Mmm, maybe I am not an artist... Anyway, a color alone does not make sense. It is always in some environment. In this case, the black neutral background is cooled by the blue, giving a fairly cool environment. That disturbs me, so I have changed the blue to a more warm yellow, to warm the whole. Another solution could be to keep the blue but to warm the black background (with a touch of orange -complementary of blue -, giving a warm black slightly brown ) to equilibrate the whole. This is what I would like to try some day... i like the cool look. it's calm and slick. like wearing a nice dark grey/black suit with a nice blue shirt and black tie... :) http://thesuitsofjamesbond.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Charcoal-Windowpane-4.jpg :) Oh, I like your image. But please see as it illustrates so well what I wanted to say : The background of this image is not a neutral black! It is a very warm black tainted with a warm deep brown (brown = orange+black). The colour of the face of JB is fairly warm too. And so, the blue of the skirt equilibrates and makes vibrate this fairly warm atmosphere. The whole image is gemütlich, attractive' and séduisante. Yes, it is a fine objective to try to reach... -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
On 14-06-11 14:06, Pierre Couderc wrote: On 06/11/2014 12:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:17:07 +0200 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: On 06/11/2014 05:20 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some contrast and difference between elements than pure black), with blue hilights. blue is NOT an accident: Well, I am not an artist. Mmm, maybe I am not an artist... Anyway, a color alone does not make sense. It is always in some environment. In this case, the black neutral background is cooled by the blue, giving a fairly cool environment. That disturbs me, so I have changed the blue to a more warm yellow, to warm the whole. Another solution could be to keep the blue but to warm the black background (with a touch of orange -complementary of blue -, giving a warm black slightly brown ) to equilibrate the whole. This is what I would like to try some day... i like the cool look. it's calm and slick. like wearing a nice dark grey/black suit with a nice blue shirt and black tie... :) http://thesuitsofjamesbond.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Charcoal-Windowpane-4.jpg :) Oh, I like your image. But please see as it illustrates so well what I wanted to say : The background of this image is not a neutral black! It is a very warm black tainted with a warm deep brown (brown = orange+black). The colour of the face of JB is fairly warm too. And so, the blue of the skirt equilibrates and makes vibrate this fairly warm atmosphere. The whole image is gemütlich, attractive' and séduisante. Yes, it is a fine objective to try to reach... Shouldn't a warm wallpaper do it? -- Boris Faure Pointer Arithmetician -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Efl and Elementary 1.10.1 release
We are happy to release a first stable update for the 1.10.x series. If you experience some problem with 1.10 please update and if it still persists report the bug. EFL fixes: * recursively hide edje group objects on edje hide * Evas textblock: Fix wrong advance calculation when bidi is disabled. * Eolian: fix issue for Windows. * evas loader - redo gif fix so it doesn't break everything * Evas: Remove invalid cast and fix warning/bug on windows * Win64: Fix a bunch of warnings * eina/file - revert 18be4c50d9990c82ed9ce4269b7820e61f772699 * Eolian: Fix class look up. * Evas textblock: Fix crash when cutting ligatures with formats. (T1308) * eo: force zeroing memory on non Linux system. * po: Set initial values for Language-Team in all po files * po: Set initial language value in po file where it is missing Elementary fixes: * scroller - emits the missed signals * elm win - if no ELM_DISPLAY is set, try more engines before giving up (T1294) * config: always create a themes directory for user. * po: Set all initial values for Language and Language-Team Download http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/efl/efl-1.10.1.tar.gz e791168db744bd7bd4b16ef59659447415403d089f13576cc31081e9184bb7c2 http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.10.1.tar.gz 220d5845806238ec5c5789ed9141f9361d4857f5482abc33b8133c87 Building and Dependencies If you have an existing EFL or Elementary install, you may wish to delete its header files and libraries before compiling and installing to avoid possible conflicts during compilation. If you are compiling the above, please compile them in the following order: efl elementary If you have an existing EFL or Elementary install, you may wish to delete its header files and libraries before building the above. -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On 11/06/14 12:48, Morten Nilsen wrote: Could this be an issue with buidling against nvidia drivers? Yeah, building efl on a VM without the nvidia driver, this problem doesn't occur. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no wrote: On 11/06/14 12:48, Morten Nilsen wrote: Could this be an issue with buidling against nvidia drivers? Yeah, building efl on a VM without the nvidia driver, this problem doesn't occur. Building against the nvidia driver should be fine, as long as you stay away from GL ES. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On 11/06/14 16:56, Iván Briano wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no wrote: On 11/06/14 12:48, Morten Nilsen wrote: Could this be an issue with buidling against nvidia drivers? Yeah, building efl on a VM without the nvidia driver, this problem doesn't occur. Building against the nvidia driver should be fine, as long as you stay away from GL ES. configure failed with the errors I sent previously.. I installed a new efl built with scim onto my dekstop just now and restarted E - opened a new terminology window and got scim working! Most eggcellent! -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
Maybe. But the idea of default style seems to me sobriety... It comes without wallpaper. On 06/11/2014 03:07 PM, Boris Faure wrote: On 14-06-11 14:06, Pierre Couderc wrote: On 06/11/2014 12:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:17:07 +0200 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: On 06/11/2014 05:20 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some contrast and difference between elements than pure black), with blue hilights. blue is NOT an accident: Well, I am not an artist. Mmm, maybe I am not an artist... Anyway, a color alone does not make sense. It is always in some environment. In this case, the black neutral background is cooled by the blue, giving a fairly cool environment. That disturbs me, so I have changed the blue to a more warm yellow, to warm the whole. Another solution could be to keep the blue but to warm the black background (with a touch of orange -complementary of blue -, giving a warm black slightly brown ) to equilibrate the whole. This is what I would like to try some day... i like the cool look. it's calm and slick. like wearing a nice dark grey/black suit with a nice blue shirt and black tie... :) http://thesuitsofjamesbond.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Charcoal-Windowpane-4.jpg :) Oh, I like your image. But please see as it illustrates so well what I wanted to say : The background of this image is not a neutral black! It is a very warm black tainted with a warm deep brown (brown = orange+black). The colour of the face of JB is fairly warm too. And so, the blue of the skirt equilibrates and makes vibrate this fairly warm atmosphere. The whole image is gemütlich, attractive' and séduisante. Yes, it is a fine objective to try to reach... Shouldn't a warm wallpaper do it? -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On 11/06/14 17:03, Morten Nilsen wrote: opened a new terminology window and got scim working! Now for another related question.. Can I get japanese text to be a tiny bit less fuzzy? http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-539872e1bd83b4.11482887.jpg I really like this font face and size - if I increase it, the fuzzyness improves, but latin text becomes too big for my taste then.. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Bug with Evas Map Overflowing frame.
I brought this up on IRC yesterday and Raster said it won't be fixed - http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/10529-eepdater/ Is this really the case? It looks HUGELY unprofessional and makes things feel unfinished/hacky. Also, I never saw this behavior with any of my applications before moving from Git EFL to EFL 1.10, now all my apps seem to do it. -- ~Jeff Hoogland http://jeffhoogland.com/ Thoughts on Technology http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/, Tech Blog Bodhi Linux http://bodhilinux.com/, Enlightenment for your Desktop -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:48:44 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 11/06/14 06:40, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: I presume I am missing a packate not listed in the BuildReqiures of the source rpm, but the answer eludes me. missing opengl development headers etc. maybe mesa-devel or something? don't know. but you want GL/gl.h in it. I have GL/gl.h from the mesa-libGL-devel package I also have libGLESv2 from the package mesa-libGLES package But, I also have an nvidia supplied libGLESv2.so.337.19 Could this be an issue with buidling against nvidia drivers? do you have any options like --with-opengl=es ? normally it'll use desktop gl normally until you tell it not to... with multiple gles libs... there may be an issue. i've never had multiple gles libs... :)m maybe the nvidia gles is being found and tested against and tests are failing due to reasons specific to that. check config.log - the answer is there. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:18:58 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 11/06/14 17:03, Morten Nilsen wrote: opened a new terminology window and got scim working! Now for another related question.. Can I get japanese text to be a tiny bit less fuzzy? http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-539872e1bd83b4.11482887.jpg I really like this font face and size - if I increase it, the fuzzyness improves, but latin text becomes too big for my taste then.. the rest of your problems lie in fontconfig in your system and how it is choosing to fall back to other fonts that handle japanese etc. :) change that and it changes your font. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:36:24 +0200 Alberto Verdoja a.verd...@gmail.com said: Hi to all, I have created the E19 Theme Radiance and I hope to give my point of view at this useful discussion and let you explain the goal of my theme. I'm sorry if the mail is long, please read all or jump on the end of the mail to a short version of my point of view :D Thanks for all your feedback, there's some useful tips about icons and battery gadget (pretty sure battery gadget uses the same codes of default E theme cause I don't have a laptop and I can't test it) and I'll look at that when I have more free time. This thread is much more useful than the flame topic on reddit :) Here's the goals of what is my Radiance theme. FIRST GOAL: UNIFIED LOOK When I use a DE I need that the theme is unique for all applications. So I have to create a theme that matches well with a GTK themes. On the past I've ported for GTK2 some E17 themes (blingbling, Gant and A-lots of A-Agust's A-themes), but with the release of GTK3 I can't create a GTK2 and a GTK3 theme both. So while I don't want to port E17 Theme to GTK3, I've decided to create E17 themes that cames from the design of GTK3. GTK3, like E, every update can screw a little (or a big) part of the theme, so keep it mainteined it's a big job, if you noticed themes available for GTK3 soon or later go old. There's a couple of theme that are keep updated: Adwaita (you don't say?) and Light Themes Radiance and Ambiance theme, from Ubuntu. I preferer between Radiance, Ambiance and Adwaita the first one, so I've create a theme that matches well with Radiance. Yes. E with Radiance looks like Ubuntu. I don't like Ubuntu or Unity, but I want that E applications look like GTK's ones and there's a few GTK themes on the place that are updated. So I choose the theme that I like more: Radiance. SECOND GOAL: ...A LOT OF COLORS As on Black and White and a Lot of Colors http://avduma.deviantart.com/art/Black-and-White-and-a-lot-of-colors-351791124 , I love the possibility E gives to change colors with Settings - Looks - Colors. I've suggested the creator of relighted theme to use this features and it is born Relightable and I've used the same idea also on Radiance. I've invented nothing new 'cause color classes is a cool options from EDJE. SO On Radiance Theme you can edit ALL the colors. Don't you like Radiance Color Scheme? Change it! So if you feel purply one day, change your color, if you feel bluey or reddy or yellowy, you can change color scheme. Easly, with a GUI. Unfortunately E-devs have removed Focus options from Color Settings GUI (please readd the options! :D ) and the Ubuntu Orange of selected items is changeable only decompiling the theme BUT I've created a file named radconf that with #define options allows to change color scheme like in old GNOME 2 way: background, foreground, selected background, selected foreground, etc etc. If you want to change more deeply, you can see on color_class.edc and change the theme. No digging on edc files and search the correct part because it's all binded to a color class. So if you want to use another GTK theme (I've used ZonColor Green for a while with my Radiance Theme and it is looking good: http://imgur.com/DZdz041.png ) you have three different way to best fit your tasties. For Bodhi Linux I've started to edit the color scheme of my theme and GTK theme to something that takes orange and green color directly from the color of the Bodhi Linux CSS site. All the question about colors psychology, fashion, de gustibus I remand directly to Jeff and/or Joris about the scheme, I've followed their scheme. If you don't like some gadgets or modules or pixmap I've choose, I happily change to best fit user interfaces guidelines or tasties. If you don't like rounded borders, the murrina shines that Radiance and Ubuntu themes have, I understand your thoughts. If you want square and flat just because now it's modern or fancy fashion it is your choiche, I respect but I don't have plan to create something like this becuase I like murrina shine, the good old GTK 2 and the cube, flames and other RAM warping effects of compiz :) (and you all can keep the change http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvBmWOf8m0 -sorry for the flame :) - ) BUT If you don't like Color Scheme, please consider to change the colors. I've spend a lot of time using white pixmap to allows this feature and avoid tons of themes with same pixmap but different colors (unfortunately E17 had a lots of this themes and they all look amateurish / not complete / crappy). At the moment I'm not on E, so I can't send you a shot of my theme gray and blue, like Elementary OS, but, for ezample, IT IS POSSIBLE. So please change the theme to best fit your color. It's all explained on my deviantArt page here http://avduma.deviantart.com/#/art/E19-Radiance-Theme-with-a-Lot-of-Colors-451995096?hf=1 or on e17-stuff
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On 12/06/14 00:31, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: do you have any options like --with-opengl=es ? normally it'll use desktop gl No, it's just %configure --disable-static in the spec, which gets expanded by rpmbuild to this; ./configure --build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --disable-dependency-tracking --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --disable-static normally until you tell it not to... with multiple gles libs... there may be an issue. i've never had multiple gles libs... :)m maybe the nvidia gles is being found and tested against and tests are failing due to reasons specific to that. check config.log - the answer is there. config.log says: configure:36439: checking for GLES2/gl2.h configure:36439: gcc -std=gnu99 -c -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic conftest.c 5 configure:36439: $? = 0 configure:36439: result: yes configure:36458: checking for glTexImage2D in -lGLESv2 configure:36483: gcc -std=gnu99 -o conftest -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic -Wl,-z,relro conftes/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.8.2/../../../libEGL.so when searching for -lEGL /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /lib/libEGL.so when searching for -lEGL /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libEGL.so when searching for -lEGL /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lEGL collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status so EGL is the actual problem, it would seem.. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On 12/06/14 00:32, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: the rest of your problems lie in fontconfig in your system and how it is choosing to fall back to other fonts that handle japanese etc. :) change that and it changes your font. Thanks - now I just need to figure out how to set that up.. I had a look in the E settings panel, but there didn't seem to be a frontend for fontconfig other than the setup of fonts for e to use.. I'll get started on research, but I'll welcome any practical pointers ^_^ -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
happy user here :) On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:36:24 +0200 Alberto Verdoja a.verd...@gmail.com said: Hi to all, I have created the E19 Theme Radiance and I hope to give my point of view at this useful discussion and let you explain the goal of my theme. I'm sorry if the mail is long, please read all or jump on the end of the mail to a short version of my point of view :D Thanks for all your feedback, there's some useful tips about icons and battery gadget (pretty sure battery gadget uses the same codes of default E theme cause I don't have a laptop and I can't test it) and I'll look at that when I have more free time. This thread is much more useful than the flame topic on reddit :) Here's the goals of what is my Radiance theme. FIRST GOAL: UNIFIED LOOK When I use a DE I need that the theme is unique for all applications. So I have to create a theme that matches well with a GTK themes. On the past I've ported for GTK2 some E17 themes (blingbling, Gant and A-lots of A-Agust's A-themes), but with the release of GTK3 I can't create a GTK2 and a GTK3 theme both. So while I don't want to port E17 Theme to GTK3, I've decided to create E17 themes that cames from the design of GTK3. GTK3, like E, every update can screw a little (or a big) part of the theme, so keep it mainteined it's a big job, if you noticed themes available for GTK3 soon or later go old. There's a couple of theme that are keep updated: Adwaita (you don't say?) and Light Themes Radiance and Ambiance theme, from Ubuntu. I preferer between Radiance, Ambiance and Adwaita the first one, so I've create a theme that matches well with Radiance. Yes. E with Radiance looks like Ubuntu. I don't like Ubuntu or Unity, but I want that E applications look like GTK's ones and there's a few GTK themes on the place that are updated. So I choose the theme that I like more: Radiance. SECOND GOAL: ...A LOT OF COLORS As on Black and White and a Lot of Colors http://avduma.deviantart.com/art/Black-and-White-and-a-lot-of-colors-351791124 , I love the possibility E gives to change colors with Settings - Looks - Colors. I've suggested the creator of relighted theme to use this features and it is born Relightable and I've used the same idea also on Radiance. I've invented nothing new 'cause color classes is a cool options from EDJE. SO On Radiance Theme you can edit ALL the colors. Don't you like Radiance Color Scheme? Change it! So if you feel purply one day, change your color, if you feel bluey or reddy or yellowy, you can change color scheme. Easly, with a GUI. Unfortunately E-devs have removed Focus options from Color Settings GUI (please readd the options! :D ) and the Ubuntu Orange of selected items is changeable only decompiling the theme BUT I've created a file named radconf that with #define options allows to change color scheme like in old GNOME 2 way: background, foreground, selected background, selected foreground, etc etc. If you want to change more deeply, you can see on color_class.edc and change the theme. No digging on edc files and search the correct part because it's all binded to a color class. So if you want to use another GTK theme (I've used ZonColor Green for a while with my Radiance Theme and it is looking good: http://imgur.com/DZdz041.png ) you have three different way to best fit your tasties. For Bodhi Linux I've started to edit the color scheme of my theme and GTK theme to something that takes orange and green color directly from the color of the Bodhi Linux CSS site. All the question about colors psychology, fashion, de gustibus I remand directly to Jeff and/or Joris about the scheme, I've followed their scheme. If you don't like some gadgets or modules or pixmap I've choose, I happily change to best fit user interfaces guidelines or tasties. If you don't like rounded borders, the murrina shines that Radiance and Ubuntu themes have, I understand your thoughts. If you want square and flat just because now it's modern or fancy fashion it is your choiche, I respect but I don't have plan to create something like this becuase I like murrina shine, the good old GTK 2 and the cube, flames and other RAM warping effects of compiz :) (and you all can keep the change http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvBmWOf8m0 -sorry for the flame :) - ) BUT If you don't like Color Scheme, please consider to change the colors. I've spend a lot of time using white pixmap to allows this feature and avoid tons of themes with same pixmap but different colors (unfortunately E17 had a lots of this themes and they all look amateurish / not complete / crappy). At the moment I'm not on E, so I can't send you a shot of my theme gray and blue, like Elementary OS, but, for ezample, IT IS POSSIBLE. So please change the theme to best fit your color. It's all explained on my deviantArt page here
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 02:19:06 +0200 Albi a.verd...@gmail.com said: i don't remember it - what did it do? There was a color class named focus that is also present on the color dialog and on e19 is not present anymore. On 12 giugno 2014 00:44:20 CEST, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:36:24 +0200 Alberto Verdoja a.verd...@gmail.com said: Hi to all, I have created the E19 Theme Radiance and I hope to give my point of view at this useful discussion and let you explain the goal of my theme. I'm sorry if the mail is long, please read all or jump on the end of the mail to a short version of my point of view :D Thanks for all your feedback, there's some useful tips about icons and battery gadget (pretty sure battery gadget uses the same codes of default E theme cause I don't have a laptop and I can't test it) and I'll look at that when I have more free time. This thread is much more useful than the flame topic on reddit :) Here's the goals of what is my Radiance theme. FIRST GOAL: UNIFIED LOOK When I use a DE I need that the theme is unique for all applications. So I have to create a theme that matches well with a GTK themes. On the past I've ported for GTK2 some E17 themes (blingbling, Gant and A-lots of A-Agust's A-themes), but with the release of GTK3 I can't create a GTK2 and a GTK3 theme both. So while I don't want to port E17 Theme to GTK3, I've decided to create E17 themes that cames from the design of GTK3. GTK3, like E, every update can screw a little (or a big) part of the theme, so keep it mainteined it's a big job, if you noticed themes available for GTK3 soon or later go old. There's a couple of theme that are keep updated: Adwaita (you don't say?) and Light Themes Radiance and Ambiance theme, from Ubuntu. I preferer between Radiance, Ambiance and Adwaita the first one, so I've create a theme that matches well with Radiance. Yes. E with Radiance looks like Ubuntu. I don't like Ubuntu or Unity, but I want that E applications look like GTK's ones and there's a few GTK themes on the place that are updated. So I choose the theme that I like more: Radiance. SECOND GOAL: ...A LOT OF COLORS As on Black and White and a Lot of Colors http://avduma.deviantart.com/art/Black-and-White-and-a-lot-of-colors-351791124 , I love the possibility E gives to change colors with Settings - Looks - Colors. I've suggested the creator of relighted theme to use this features and it is born Relightable and I've used the same idea also on Radiance. I've invented nothing new 'cause color classes is a cool options from EDJE. SO On Radiance Theme you can edit ALL the colors. Don't you like Radiance Color Scheme? Change it! So if you feel purply one day, change your color, if you feel bluey or reddy or yellowy, you can change color scheme. Easly, with a GUI. Unfortunately E-devs have removed Focus options from Color Settings GUI (please readd the options! :D ) and the Ubuntu Orange of selected items is changeable only decompiling the theme BUT I've created a file named radconf that with #define options allows to change color scheme like in old GNOME 2 way: background, foreground, selected background, selected foreground, etc etc. If you want to change more deeply, you can see on color_class.edc and change the theme. No digging on edc files and search the correct part because it's all binded to a color class. So if you want to use another GTK theme (I've used ZonColor Green for a while with my Radiance Theme and it is looking good: http://imgur.com/DZdz041.png ) you have three different way to best fit your tasties. For Bodhi Linux I've started to edit the color scheme of my theme and GTK theme to something that takes orange and green color directly from the color of the Bodhi Linux CSS site. All the question about colors psychology, fashion, de gustibus I remand directly to Jeff and/or Joris about the scheme, I've followed their scheme. If you don't like some gadgets or modules or pixmap I've choose, I happily change to best fit user interfaces guidelines or tasties. If you don't like rounded borders, the murrina shines that Radiance and Ubuntu themes have, I understand your thoughts. If you want square and flat just because now it's modern or fancy fashion it is your choiche, I respect but I don't have plan to create something like this becuase I like murrina shine, the good old GTK 2 and the cube, flames and other RAM warping effects of compiz :) (and you all can keep the change http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvBmWOf8m0 -sorry for the flame :) - ) BUT If you don't like Color Scheme, please consider to change the colors. I've spend a lot of time using white pixmap to allows this feature and avoid tons of themes with same pixmap but different colors (unfortunately E17 had
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:22:32 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 12/06/14 00:31, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: do you have any options like --with-opengl=es ? normally it'll use desktop gl No, it's just %configure --disable-static in the spec, which gets expanded by rpmbuild to this; ./configure --build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --disable-dependency-tracking --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --disable-static normally until you tell it not to... with multiple gles libs... there may be an issue. i've never had multiple gles libs... :)m maybe the nvidia gles is being found and tested against and tests are failing due to reasons specific to that. check config.log - the answer is there. config.log says: configure:36439: checking for GLES2/gl2.h configure:36439: gcc -std=gnu99 -c -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic conftest.c 5 configure:36439: $? = 0 configure:36439: result: yes configure:36458: checking for glTexImage2D in -lGLESv2 configure:36483: gcc -std=gnu99 -o conftest -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic -Wl,-z,relro conftes/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.8.2/../../../libEGL.so when searching for -lEGL /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /lib/libEGL.so when searching for -lEGL /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libEGL.so when searching for -lEGL /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lEGL collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status so EGL is the actual problem, it would seem.. where is the stuff looking for libGL? (-lGL) ? like: configure:36487: checking for glXCreateContext in -lGL ... configure:36521: result: yes it looks like it has failed looking for libGL (desktop gl) at all and is now falling back to try gles/egl instead. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:26:25 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 12/06/14 00:32, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: the rest of your problems lie in fontconfig in your system and how it is choosing to fall back to other fonts that handle japanese etc. :) change that and it changes your font. Thanks - now I just need to figure out how to set that up.. I had a look in the E settings panel, but there didn't seem to be a frontend for fontconfig other than the setup of fonts for e to use.. I'll get started on research, but I'll welcome any practical pointers ^_^ nope. no one has a gui for them as best i know. xml. have fun. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] engage
My GOD. Someone help this man! There used to be a 'skel' ( skeleton ) module? I don't see it now. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I'd just pick something simple like the 'start' module and try to figure out how it works. I wonder if a better approach might be to extend ibar, rather than resurrect engage? It has more functionality than engage, and also does window previews. You'd just have to scale the icons in the near vicinity of the mouse like engage used to. Maybe others don't want this going into ibar? Either way, I wish you luck :) Dan On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:55 PM, mik firestone mikf...@gmail.com wrote: My understanding is that engage hasn't compiled for a while, due to changes in the compositing layer. I really miss engage. I miss it enough I will attempt to fix it. I can code and I have some experience with graphics toolkits. I also have a week or so in the near future where I can focus on getting this working again. Are there any resources that I can use to understand what changed in the compositing layer, or broader resources that I can use to understand how to write a module in general? Thanks, Mik -- In a world of ninja v. pirate, I pilot a Gundam -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On 12/06/14 03:27, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: nope. no one has a gui for them as best i know. xml. have fun. :) I found fontik in Fedora which handles making the xml just fine, but I don't really understand what I need to do.. :p I've ended up with a config like this; http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-539905ef45b995.94572387.jpg but I haven't really noticed any changes and don't know if I should have either.. When I start fontik back up, it says Loading Font Conf File: DejaVu Sans Mono but the UI doesn't show the settings I previously entered, just the same as it had originally; http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-539906ab751d51.43809951.jpg This fontconfig stuff doesn't feel very mature to me with the current tooling :p Guess I'll just have to start reading documentation.. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 03:49:11 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 12/06/14 03:27, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: nope. no one has a gui for them as best i know. xml. have fun. :) I found fontik in Fedora which handles making the xml just fine, but I don't really understand what I need to do.. :p I've ended up with a config like this; http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-539905ef45b995.94572387.jpg but I haven't really noticed any changes and don't know if I should have either.. When I start fontik back up, it says Loading Font Conf File: DejaVu Sans Mono but the UI doesn't show the settings I previously entered, just the same as it had originally; http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-539906ab751d51.43809951.jpg This fontconfig stuff doesn't feel very mature to me with the current tooling :p Guess I'll just have to start reading documentation.. its the fallback fonts that you want to mess with - i dont know what you have. maybe kochi gothic or something. it'll be a japanese handling font. i neever am that fussy about the fallback fonts - if i see japanese or korean at all and i can read it.. i'm happy. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On 12/06/14 03:33, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: where is the stuff looking for libGL? (-lGL) ? like: configure:36487: checking for glXCreateContext in -lGL ... configure:36521: result: yes it looks like it has failed looking for libGL (desktop gl) at all and is now falling back to try gles/egl instead. Something seems a little off with libGL, for sure: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-5399080a39fe78.52728231.jpg I suspect that is the nvidia installers fault.. libGL.so.1.2.0 is part of the installed package mesa-libGL but it has apparently gone missing. I see the same thing with libEGL.so.. it points to libEGL.so.1.0.0, which is also missing. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Yet another io GNU/Linux iso released
Woah nice. Great tunes in the videos. Jack2. If only it were based on Gentoo :P On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Manu Kebab el.doc...@laposte.net wrote: Le vendredi 6 juin 2014, 05:52:42 Manu Kebab a écrit : Hi, A new 64bit iso is up ;) io GNU/Linux is a Live DVD/USB based on Debian Sid and focused on multimedia. Kernel 3.14.4, Jack2 as default sound server, e18 as desktop environment and a big collection of installed software... Full persistence for USB install (with encryption) and more cool stuff... A great nomade studio :) For more infos: manual, packages list, screenshots, video etc... Check: - http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html - https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ Feedbacks welcome, enjoy :) MK Update with kernel 3.14.5 Greetingz :) MK -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/NeoTech ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Terminology font settings
Hello! I've got a small annoyance with terminology.. Whenever I go into the settings, it changes my font to DejaVu Sans (Oblique), even though I've set it to DejaVu Sans Mono (Book) every time I've gone into the settings.. I see there is a Temporary checkbox in the corner, without a checkmark, but I've never clicked that.. What could cause this to happen? -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 03:57:37 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 12/06/14 03:33, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: where is the stuff looking for libGL? (-lGL) ? like: configure:36487: checking for glXCreateContext in -lGL ... configure:36521: result: yes it looks like it has failed looking for libGL (desktop gl) at all and is now falling back to try gles/egl instead. Something seems a little off with libGL, for sure: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-5399080a39fe78.52728231.jpg I suspect that is the nvidia installers fault.. libGL.so.1.2.0 is part of the installed package mesa-libGL but it has apparently gone missing. I see the same thing with libEGL.so.. it points to libEGL.so.1.0.0, which is also missing. well i guess you have a broken system to fix up. i dont use nvidia's installer - pretty much never. packages in ubuntu handled that before and arch handles it for me... maybe use your distro packages? -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology font settings
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 04:06:39 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: Hello! I've got a small annoyance with terminology.. Whenever I go into the settings, it changes my font to DejaVu Sans (Oblique), even though I've set it to DejaVu Sans Mono (Book) every time I've gone into the settings.. I see there is a Temporary checkbox in the corner, without a checkmark, but I've never clicked that.. What could cause this to happen? never seen it happen... a fontconfig messup - caches dont reflect actual font choices? -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:08:29 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 22:59:41 -0400 Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com said: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:11:51 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 03:57:37 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 12/06/14 03:33, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: where is the stuff looking for libGL? (-lGL) ? like: configure:36487: checking for glXCreateContext in -lGL ... configure:36521: result: yes it looks like it has failed looking for libGL (desktop gl) at all and is now falling back to try gles/egl instead. Something seems a little off with libGL, for sure: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-5399080a39fe78.52728231.jpg I suspect that is the nvidia installers fault.. libGL.so.1.2.0 is part of the installed package mesa-libGL but it has apparently gone missing. I see the same thing with libEGL.so.. it points to libEGL.so.1.0.0, which is also missing. well i guess you have a broken system to fix up. i dont use nvidia's installer - pretty much never. packages in ubuntu handled that before and arch handles it for me... maybe use your distro packages? Those would be symlinks that are missing I think... They'll need to point to the correct lib version. Could /etc/alternatives be involved at all? dunno. i stopped using ubuntu and deb things a while back. things for me just work. you will have to ask whoever supports your distro as to how things broke... :) replying to the list this time... My guess is that the things were not packages, hence the partial setup, but I could be wrong. Debian is actually fantastic if you use packages. If you install a lot of stuff from random installers or your own compiles not made into packages, then it gets interesting... update-alternatives could be the answer. or not. :) -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: YOW!! The land of the rising SONY!! -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM
On 12/06/14 05:16, Christopher Barry wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:08:29 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 22:59:41 -0400 Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com said: Those would be symlinks that are missing I think... They'll need to point to the correct lib version. Could /etc/alternatives be involved at all? dunno. i stopped using ubuntu and deb things a while back. things for me just work. you will have to ask whoever supports your distro as to how things broke... :) replying to the list this time... My guess is that the things were not packages, hence the partial setup, but I could be wrong. Debian is actually fantastic if you use packages. If you install a lot of stuff from random installers or your own compiles not made into packages, then it gets interesting... update-alternatives could be the answer. or not. :) Debian? I don't use debian.. in fact, I hate the distro and all its derivatives.. What has happened here is that nvidia has done a poor job on packaging their driver for fedora. -- Cheers, Dr. P :wq -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
