Re: [eug-lug]Re: New laptop
There was talk last night about deals on iBooks... here's a good one: http://www.smalldog.com/wag13693/atdealmacex/ [refurbished] iBook G3/900 14 inch 256/40/Combo/56K $977, expires in three days on 11/17. cheers, Ben ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Gnome2
I switched from Enlightenment to Gnome2.2 with Metacity about a month ago. I like the Gnome2 better at this point simply b/c it integrates better with other apps. But there are 2 things that bother me... 1. I can't set up my own keybindings to launch various programs. Gnome has default keybindings such as minimizing windows, moving to different viewports, etc. But I cannot find a way to set up a keybinding to launch my xterm, for instance. Something I grew accustomed to with E. 2. I run gkrellm, and when I alt-tab to different windows, it shows up in the list of windows. I can't find where or how to make that not happen. Enlightement had an option on all windows to include them in the list or not. I'm going to go to gkrellm in a moment -- maybe there is a plugin or something. If anyone knows how to fix these, please tell me. You'll be my Gnome savior. :) -Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: New laptop
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[eug-lug]Announcement: Next two EUGLUG presentations
EUGLUG, the Eugene Linux Users' Group, is proud to announce the last two presentations of 2003. What: The Zynot Project Who: Zach Welch, Zynot Project Leader When: Saturday, November 22, 1:00 Where: EFN, 43 W. Broadway, Eugene Zach Welch will present a set of ideas relating to his work on producing a fork of the Gentoo Linux (www.gentoo.org) distribution for The Zynot Foundation (www.zynot.org), starting by introducing a number of the fundamental problems that must be overcome to succeed in developing divergent open source projects. The solutions proposed lead to a proverbial forking toolkit, with which anyone can fork anything. While verging on herecy, this toolkit would not offer a simple unidirectional means for effectively forking projects. Necessarily, it would include the means for both redistributing locally made changes as well as integrating further changes available from the myriad of other like-forks. This is not far from open software development today. In addition, an integrated Open-Lean software development toolkit (www.openlean.org) will aim to provide the capacity for managing the resulting distributed network of contributors toward producing both high quality products and sustainable economic growth. In the end, the toolkits should open the door for individuals or small teams to maintain micro-market forks of their favorite distributions with little effort. Zach is the Managing Member of Superlucidity Services, LLC., a Corvallis-based company working to introduce sustainable software development processes for open source and free software. If all goes well, Superlucidity's next product will be a working version of the forking toolkit and used to facilitate Zynot's fork of Gentoo Linux. == What: Fully Distributed Peer to Peer Game Architecture Who: Chris Gauthier-Dickey When: Saturday, December 13, 1:00 Where: EFN, 43 W. Broadway, Eugene For years, the game industry has used a client/server architecture for delivering massively-multiplayer online games to players. This architecture has the advantage that a single authority orders events, resolves conflicts in the simulation, acts as a central repository for data, and is easy to secure. On the other hand, it has several disadvantages. First, it introduces delay between players because messages are always forwarded through the server. Second, localized congestion around the server increases with the number of players. Last, the game's complexity is limited by the computational power of the server. One local game company stated that their total bandwidth requirements were equivalent to the entire City of Eugene's telephone bandwidth just to deploy their MMOG. While we can throw technology at most of these problems in the form of more servers and higher bandwidth lines, this solution incurs significant costs. To address these problems, we are developing a fully distributed, peer-to-peer architecture for MMOGs. With a fully distributed architecture, messages can be sent directly to other players, thereby reducing delay and local congestion. Players can start their own MMOGs without the massive investment in resources required by the client/server architecture. Furthermore, every machine connected to the game can contribute cycles to the overall simulation, overcoming the bottleneck of computation that servers and clusters have. However, the fundamental problem with a distributed game is trust. How can we trust players to accurately represent when a given event has occurred? Accordingly, the first component we have designed for this architecture is the New-Event Ordering (NEO) protocol, which orders events while ensuring trust. We have designed NEO to be cheat-proof at the network level, allowing us to build peer-to-peer networks that are trustworthy but still retain the latency requirements of real-time, interactive games. NEO represents a major step forward in distributed communication protocols for games and we will be using it to design the rest of the communication architecture so that we may finally realize fully distributed MMOGs. == Check out these presentations and other EUGLUG activities at our web site. http://www.euglug.org/ -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
For the gkrellm issue: if you're using a new enough version of gkrellm, there is a configuration option in its GUI to achieve what you want: Right-click on gkrellm, and select configuration (or hit F1 when gkrellm has focus), then in the General area, select the second tab, Properties. There you'll see options for whether to set as a dock/panel type, as well as finer-grade options like inclusion on taskbar and pager... if your version does not have that, you might look for a gkrellm-plugins-gnome which offers similar functionality. Enjoy, Ben PS - I'm using version 2.1.12, with -plugins-utils, -plugins-media, and -plugins-misc (and a -themes package for 2.1.8)... I like it a lot, use the Glass2 theme, and generally don't bother with -plugins-media on systems which I'm only monitoring (as opposed to my workstation, where I enable the moon clock as well). Turn down the updates to 2/sec, too! On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:58:38 -0800 Rob Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I switched from Enlightenment to Gnome2.2 with Metacity about a month | ago. I like the Gnome2 better at this point simply b/c it integrates | better with other apps. But there are 2 things that bother me... | | 1. I can't set up my own keybindings to launch various programs. | Gnome has default keybindings such as minimizing windows, moving to | different viewports, etc. But I cannot find a way to set up a | keybinding to launch my xterm, for instance. Something I grew | accustomed to with E. | | 2. I run gkrellm, and when I alt-tab to different windows, it shows up | in the list of windows. I can't find where or how to make that not | happen. Enlightement had an option on all windows to include them in | the list or not. I'm going to go to gkrellm in a moment -- maybe | there is a plugin or something. | | If anyone knows how to fix these, please tell me. You'll be my Gnome | savior. :) | | -Rob | ___ | EuG-LUG mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:58:38 -0800 Rob Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I switched from Enlightenment to Gnome2.2 with Metacity about a month | ago. I like the Gnome2 better at this point simply b/c it integrates | better with other apps. But there are 2 things that bother me... | | 1. I can't set up my own keybindings to launch various programs. | Gnome has default keybindings such as minimizing windows, moving to | different viewports, etc. But I cannot find a way to set up a | keybinding to launch my xterm, for instance. Something I grew | accustomed to with E. | | 2. I run gkrellm, and when I alt-tab to different windows, it shows up | in the list of windows. I can't find where or how to make that not | happen. Enlightement had an option on all windows to include them in | the list or not. I'm going to go to gkrellm in a moment -- maybe | there is a plugin or something. | | If anyone knows how to fix these, please tell me. You'll be my Gnome | savior. :) | | -Rob On 20031114.0924, Ben Barrett said ... For the gkrellm issue: if you're using a new enough version of gkrellm, there is a configuration option in its GUI to achieve what you want: Right-click on gkrellm, and select configuration (or hit F1 when gkrellm has focus), then in the General area, select the second tab, Properties. There you'll see options for whether to set as a dock/panel type, as well as finer-grade options like inclusion on taskbar and pager... if your version does not have that, you might look for a gkrellm-plugins-gnome which offers similar functionality. Yes, I have those options, but it doesn't seem to make any difference... even when I restart gkrellm in between. Strange. The website says these should work too. I have gkrellm 2.1.7, install via apt on debian testing. -Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
Rob, Gnome 2.4 was released a while ago... (came with slack 9.1 atlest!) mabye using a more current version will alevaite some of your problems Jamie On Friday 14 November 2003 12:36 pm, Rob Hudson wrote: : On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:58:38 -0800 : : Rob Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : | I switched from Enlightenment to Gnome2.2 with Metacity about a month : | ago. I like the Gnome2 better at this point simply b/c it integrates : | better with other apps. But there are 2 things that bother me... : | : | 1. I can't set up my own keybindings to launch various programs. : | Gnome has default keybindings such as minimizing windows, moving to : | different viewports, etc. But I cannot find a way to set up a : | keybinding to launch my xterm, for instance. Something I grew : | accustomed to with E. : | : | 2. I run gkrellm, and when I alt-tab to different windows, it shows up : | in the list of windows. I can't find where or how to make that not : | happen. Enlightement had an option on all windows to include them in : | the list or not. I'm going to go to gkrellm in a moment -- maybe : | there is a plugin or something. : | : | If anyone knows how to fix these, please tell me. You'll be my Gnome : | savior. :) : | : | -Rob : : On 20031114.0924, Ben Barrett said ... : : For the gkrellm issue: if you're using a new enough version of gkrellm, : there is a configuration option in its GUI to achieve what you want: : Right-click on gkrellm, and select configuration (or hit F1 when gkrellm : has focus), then in the General area, select the second tab, : Properties. There you'll see options for whether to set as a : dock/panel type, as well as finer-grade options like inclusion on : taskbar and pager... if your version does not have that, you might look : for a gkrellm-plugins-gnome which offers similar functionality. : : Yes, I have those options, but it doesn't seem to make any difference... : even when I restart gkrellm in between. Strange. The website says : these should work too. I have gkrellm 2.1.7, install via apt on debian : testing. : : -Rob : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- How do I type for i in *.dvi do xdvi $i done in a GUI? -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]ecommerce experiences sought
Has anybody on this list had to deal with authorize.net from a unix environment? Comments, experiences? Are there any payment authorization gateways that are in the set of (not crewed by vampires not Microsoft centric) ? We've been using trustcommerce.com and while as a programmer, I found their interface to be straightforward and their documentation excellent, the per transaction charges are fierce. -- You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. -The Architect Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]ecommerce experiences sought
interchange is cool: http://www.icdevgroup.org/ But that's for running your own e-commerce server. There's even a webmin module for controlling it... ciao, Ben On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:49:45 -0800 Larry Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Has anybody on this list had to deal with | authorize.net from a unix environment? | | Comments, experiences? | | Are there any payment authorization gateways that are in the set of | (not crewed by vampires not Microsoft centric) ? | | We've been using trustcommerce.com | and while as a programmer, I found their interface to be | straightforward and | their documentation excellent, the per transaction charges are fierce. | | | -- | You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest | efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a | harmony | of mathematical precision. -The Architect | Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to | ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft | | ___ | EuG-LUG mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]ecommerce experiences sought
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:49:45AM -0800, Larry Price wrote: Has anybody on this list had to deal with authorize.net from a unix environment? Yes, years ago. I worked with an order form (not shopping cart) that connected to authorize.net. It was coded in perl. The program is Merchant Order Form. I used v1.4. I see they now have v2.4. As I recall though, authorize.net had quite a simple gatway that one could connect to with a simple html post form. You can make that in any scripting language and cut out your middleman which it sounds like doesn't do much for you. Search authorize.net for information on how to hook up. You may need to log in to access setup documents. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]ecommerce experiences sought
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:49:45AM -0800, Larry Price wrote: Has anybody on this list had to deal with authorize.net from a unix environment? Yes, every day. Comments, experiences? Are there any payment authorization gateways that are in the set of (not crewed by vampires not Microsoft centric) ? We've been using trustcommerce.com and while as a programmer, I found their interface to be straightforward and their documentation excellent, the per transaction charges are fierce. It's all I've ever used, so I can't really compare, but I find it easy to script for. I have my own homebuilt php shopping cart, it just goes to their page to enter the cc#'s and then back to my thankyou.php to let them know if their payment was accepted. authorize.net also has a transparent interface, but if someone ends up leaking cc #'s, I'd rather it not be us. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]ecommerce experiences sought
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:09:14PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: I've already been looking at the authorize.net documentation which is fairly good, I just wanted to know if there were any gotcha's lurking in the background. Yeah, the documentation is pretty good, but trying to call support can take a _while_ to get through. Fortunately, I've only had to do that a couple times (that was a while ago, when their docs were a little confusing, at least to me). I haven't snagged any gotchas in ~ 3 years. One thing I like about it, is that it's pretty easy to test the setup, with either their test #'s or global flags, or transaction specific flags. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug] [marsee@oreilly.com: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 14]
Here's the latest O'Reilly ad... - Forwarded message from Marsee Henon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Marsee Henon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:08:31 -0800 Subject: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] O'Reilly News for User Group Members November 14, 2003 Book News -Digital Photography Pocket Guide, 2nd Edition -Head First EJB Upcoming Events -Steve Bass (PC Annoyances), APCUG User Group Reception--November 16 -Tim O'Reilly, COMDEX, Las Vegas, NV--November 16-20, 2003 -ApacheCon, Las Vegas, NV--November 16-19, 2003 -David McFarland (Dreamweaver MX: The Missing Manual and Dreamweaver 4: The Missing Manual), 2003 Macromedia MAX, Salt Lake City, UT--Nov 18-21 Conferences -Registration Is Open for ETech 2004--San Diego, CA News -Are How To Books Archaic? -Open Source at COMDEX Contest Winners -GBA Programming with DevKit Advance -Certification in Linux/Unix System Administration -Head First EJB Author Interview -Inside Class Loaders -Windows Server 2003: Still Room for Improvement -Shooting the Windows Messenger Service -Using the eBay SDK -Panther Internet Sharing -Rendezvous Picture Transfer with Panther Book News Did you know you can request a free book to review for your group? Ask your group leader for more information. For book review writing tips and suggestions, go to: http://ug.oreilly.com/bookreviews.html Don't forget, you can receive 20% off any O'Reilly book you purchase directly from O'Reilly. Just use code DSUG when ordering online or by phone 800-998-9938. http://www.oreilly.com/ ***Free ground shipping is available for online orders of at least $29.95 that go to a single U.S. address. This offer applies to U.S. delivery addresses in the 50 states and Puerto Rico. For more details, go to: http://www.oreilly.com/news/freeshipping_0703.html ***Digital Photography Pocket Guide, 2nd Edition Order Number: 6276 Digital Photography Pocket Guide, 2nd Edition expands on the basic photography techniques introduced in the bestselling first edition to help you take the kind of pictures you've always dreamed of--and now in full color! This book explains each of the camera's components, shows you what they do, and then helps you choose the right settings. When you ask, How can I get that picture?, simply pull this small guide out of your camera bag, backpack, or back pocket and find the answer quickly. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/digphotopg2/ ***Head First EJB Order Number: 5717 Learn not just what Enterprise JavaBeans technology is; learn why it is, and what it is and isn't good for. This book gives you tricks and tips for EJB development, and for passing the latest, very challenging Sun Certified Business Component Developer (SCBCD) exam. You'll learn how to think like a server. You'll learn how to think like a bean. And because this is a Head First book, you'll learn how to think about thinking. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/hfjejb/ The table of contents are available online: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/hfjejb/toc.pdf Upcoming Events ***For more events, please see: http://events.oreilly.com/ ***Steve Bass (PC Annoyances), APCUG User Group Reception, Las Vegas, NV--November 16 The Association of Personal Computer User Groups is hosting a UG exhibition and reception from 3:00-5:30 p.m. Drop by the O'Reilly table and say hi to me (Marsee Henon) and author Steve Bass, who will be signing copies of his new book, PC Annoyances. (O'Reilly is giving away a free copy of PC Annoyances to APCUG Attendees--check your welcome goodie bag!) Stardust Resort and Casino, Las Vegas, NV. http://www.apcug.org/events/comdex/fall2003/index.shtm ***O'Reilly at COMDEX, Las Vegas, NV--November 16-20, 2003 Tim O'Reilly will be moderating the Power Panel Open Source: The Open Source Paradigm Shift Thursday November 20, 9am. Panelists include Brian Behlendorf, Apache Co-founder, CTO of Collab.Net Marten Mickos (CEO MySQL), Allan Vermuelen (CTO Amazon.com) Jason Matusow (Shared Source Program Manager, Microsoft), and Stormy Peters (Open Source Program Manager, Hewlett-Packard). Room N109 at the Las Vegas Convention
Re: [eug-lug]ecommerce experiences sought
Ive actually had decent experience with authorize.net. I've used them with a few customers, and mostly good service, however I have had troubles with another company that aparently was owned by them... but thats completely unrelated probably. Its been a few years, but I used commerce.cgi (shopping cart, perl based) with their service w/out any troubles... I was able to heavily modify the cart w/ out breaking stuff. I think commerce.cgi has gone away now, but something must have replaced it! hopefully what your dealing with is compatable. Authorize.net isnt the only game in town though... I wouldnt recommend versign/signio to anyone though. Jamie On Friday 14 November 2003 02:49 pm, Larry Price wrote: : Has anybody on this list had to deal with : authorize.net from a unix environment? : : Comments, experiences? : : Are there any payment authorization gateways that are in the set of : (not crewed by vampires not Microsoft centric) ? : : We've been using trustcommerce.com : and while as a programmer, I found their interface to be : straightforward and : their documentation excellent, the per transaction charges are fierce. : : : -- : You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest : efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a : harmony : of mathematical precision. -The Architect : Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to : ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Ever heard of .cshrc? That's a city in Bosnia. Right? -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] [marsee@oreilly.com: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 14]
so where do I get my free book? Bob Miller wrote: Here's the latest O'Reilly ad... - Forwarded message from Marsee Henon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Marsee Henon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:08:31 -0800 Subject: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] [marsee@oreilly.com: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 14]
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:30:23PM -0800, Christopher Maujean wrote: so where do I get my free book? Talk to Kbob. You can get a book in exchange for a book review. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] [marsee@oreilly.com: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 14]
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:46:13PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:30:23PM -0800, Christopher Maujean wrote: so where do I get my free book? Talk to Kbob. You can get a book in exchange for a book review. Cory I'm on another list which actively participates in this program. While I don't know all of the specifics, it is basically this: Orielley gives books to lugs in exchange for a book review. There is a limit. In this other lug, I believe they have a raffle from attendees of their group meetings. The raffle winner gets a book and owes a review for it. Book reviews through the lug should be posted on our website. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] [marsee@oreilly.com: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 14]
I thought our *LUG* gets a book, when a member does a review... not that we have a tight inventory policy! We do have something of a LUG library, though, right? Ben On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:46:13 -0800 Cory Petkovsek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:30:23PM -0800, Christopher Maujean wrote: | | so where do I get my free book? | | Talk to Kbob. You can get a book in exchange for a book review. | Cory | ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug] SCO lawsuit-what is LIKELY affect on Linux?
I just read an old Wired article about LT and it talked about a SCO lawsuit for UNIX code intel injected into Linux. Could Linux actually be killed or transformed into acontrolable piece of commercial property? Hal ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] SCO lawsuit-what is LIKELY affect on Linux?
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Harald Sundt wrote: I just read an old Wired article about LT and it talked about a SCO lawsuit for UNIX code intel injected into Linux. Could Linux actually be killed or transformed into acontrolable piece of commercial property? Anything is possible in a world in which Richard Stallman can be subpoenaed by SCO in its defense against a software patent countersuit by IBM (which is defending the GPL). -- Ed Craig[EMAIL PROTECTED] Taxi (I need an income) GNU/Linux (I can afford a Free OS) Think this through with me, let me know your mind...Hunter/Garcia ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] SCO lawsuit-what is LIKELY affect on Linux?
Actually that is not the case, Copyright law places some pretty clear restrictions on what can and cannot happen in this case. There are some uninformed people who will tell you that the GPL is up for litigation, if SCO tries to take that tack, it will be an uphill battle for them, and even if they did succeed at getting the GPL declared void (very unlikely) they would then face some unpalatable side effects. Namely any decision that invalidates the GPL is likely to render the conventional software licensing model unviable, and though copyright and contract lawyers would be joyful. (if upheld on appeal such a decision would be a full employment act for lawyers versed in contract law as applied to software licenses.) It would go against centuries of case law and decades of accepted industry practice. It seems more likely that all or part of the SCO lawsuit will face summary dismissal at some point in the not too distant future. Especially if they cannot produce actual evidence of infringing code. In the past most courts have not taken too kindly to being used for the kind of circus SCO seems intent on perpetrating, now David Boies is a smart man and will probably skate right up to the edge of the legal definition of Barratry, but if Darl McBride or Blake Stowell say in court some of the things they seem to be fond of saying in the media we will probably get the amusing diversion of a citation for contempt of court. Tempest=(ContainedBy)= teacup. IANAL, TINLA, TWAMSAN On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 07:33 PM, Edward Craig wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Harald Sundt wrote: I just read an old Wired article about LT and it talked about a SCO lawsuit for UNIX code intel injected into Linux. Could Linux actually be killed or transformed into acontrolable piece of commercial property? Anything is possible in a world in which Richard Stallman can be subpoenaed by SCO in its defense against a software patent countersuit by IBM (which is defending the GPL). -- Ed Craig[EMAIL PROTECTED] Taxi (I need an income) GNU/Linux (I can afford a Free OS) Think this through with me, let me know your mind...Hunter/Garcia ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. -The Architect Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] SCO lawsuit-what is LIKELY affect on Linux?
The only rationale I can see for SCO's deposing of RMS would be to expose his (low) opinion of software patents. Oral arguments are scheduled for 5 December, when I expect to see SCO's suit to be dismissed with prejudice. IBM and RedHat will be free to pursue their suits (respectively for resraint of trade and copyright/patent infringement) against SCO. Perhaps SCO might survive long enough to call RMS to the stand. I really don't actually expect any net effect on GNU/Linux. I'm no more a lawyer than Larry, though. -- Ed Craig[EMAIL PROTECTED] Taxi (I need an income) GNU/Linux (I can afford a Free OS) Think this through with me, let me know your mind...Hunter/Garcia ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]New laptop - Distro recommendations
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 09:11:59AM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: IIRC the work nature of his iBook is that it belongs to the employer! Eh, after a couple of years, if there is a machine to replace it, the old machine is usually regarded as valueless. ;) ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:58:38AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: I switched from Enlightenment to Gnome2.2 with Metacity about a month ago. I like the Gnome2 better at this point simply b/c it integrates better with other apps. But there are 2 things that bother me... 1. I can't set up my own keybindings to launch various programs. Gnome has default keybindings such as minimizing windows, moving to different viewports, etc. But I cannot find a way to set up a keybinding to launch my xterm, for instance. Something I grew accustomed to with E. You don't need to set keybindings. You also don't need to match windows. You don't need to do a lot of things. And Havoc will ensure that you can't do them, even if you want to, because you don't need to. When Havoc is done with Gnome 2.6, it will have only one button labelled Do stuff. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Announcement: Next two EUGLUG presentations
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 09:16:38AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: [...] architecture is the New-Event Ordering (NEO) protocol, which orders [...] There is no cheating. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] [marsee@oreilly.com: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, November 14]
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:55:53PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: I thought our *LUG* gets a book, when a member does a review... not that we have a tight inventory policy! We do have something of a LUG library, though, right? After a fashion. I still have the tivo hacks book and have been meaning to review it at some point. Once reviewed, I intend to put it back into the pool for others who may want to read it. (If someone else wants it and is more likely to have time to review it, pester me to bring it to a clinic or something..) ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] SCO lawsuit-what is LIKELY affect on Linux?
Edward Craig wrote: Anything is possible in a world in which Richard Stallman can be subpoenaed by SCO in its defense against a software patent countersuit by IBM (which is defending the GPL). I hadn't looked at it that way, but you're right. This whole case is clearly transplanted from from a surreal alternate universe. Of course, so was the Californian gubernatorial election... As entertainment, the SCO story is better than anything from Hollywood this year. (No, I haven't seen the 3rd Matrix movie yet. Soon.) I just can't stay away from Groklaw. As a challenge to open source, I am sanguine that we'll come through this thing stronger than ever. (We come through *everything* stronger than ever.) -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] SCO lawsuit-what is LIKELY affect on Linux?
On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 10:16 PM, Bob Miller wrote: As a challenge to open source, I am sanguine that we'll come through this thing stronger than ever. (We come through *everything* stronger than ever.) that which does not # kill -9 us can only make us # nice -10 spending-friday-night-staring-at-code-is-fun-ly .02 wink -- You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. -The Architect Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug] SCO lawsuit-what is LIKELY affect on Linux?
Edward Craig wrote: Oral arguments are scheduled for 5 December, when I expect to see SCO's suit to be dismissed with prejudice. I only give that outcome middling odds. The judge just might decide the whole thing is complex enough to be worth hearing all the way through. IBM did do a *beautiful* job, though, of destroying SCO's credibility with their Addendum to [IBM]'s Reply Memorandum in Support of Motion to Compel Discovery. See it at http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200302212930 . I love Groklaw... But what do I know? I can't even *spell* IANL. -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
