[EVDL] California?s Clean Vehicle Rebate Program (ye-ol Batts vs Fool Cells)

2019-12-03 Thread mark hanson via EV
llery) UL Certified PV Installer My RE&EV Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh REEVA Demo: <http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0> http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0 -- next part ------ An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attac

Re: [EVDL] Chrome-moly vs. Steel

2019-12-03 Thread Lee Hart via EV
>From: Bill Dube via EV >They only make cheap bicycle frames out of mild steel. Same thing for >motorcycles. >Bill D. What about conventional cars? :-) Lee -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James -- Lee A. Hart http://www.sunrise-ev.com __

Re: [EVDL] Chrome-moly vs. Steel

2019-12-03 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Then why do they traditionally use chrome-moly for steel bicycle frames? (These days they make them out of all sorts of exotic materials.) Ordinary mild steel would be _much_ cheaper, but they use chrome-moly.  "Fatigue limit" is the reason. You first want to make the frame as light as practic

Re: [EVDL] Chrome-moly vs. Steel (was: Light weight electric motorcycle. DIY)

2019-12-03 Thread Lee Hart via EV
>From: "Neal, Gary via EV" > /wiki/Specific_strength table: Oak (wood) has a higher specific strength > than aluminum 6061-T6 and Chromoly (4130)! Balsa (wood) has a higher > specific strength than most metals and almost rivals carbon-epoxy composites. > ... Maybe we need to go back to the futur

Re: [EVDL] California’s Clean Vehicle Rebate Program

2019-12-03 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Seriously, what do FCEVs really offer that's better than what BEVs are already giving us? What exactly justifies taking resources away from BEVs and giving them to FCEVs? Well said, David. I think the answer is that FCEVs have a few advantages that suit them

Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Chrome-moly vs. Steel

2019-12-03 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Reminds me of the Gaea trilogy - John Varley. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Dube via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Bill Dube" Sent: 03-Dec-19 12:31:38 PM Subject: [EVDL] OT: Re: Chrome-moly vs. Steel Wood is still used today for construction of small airplanes. Unfortunate

Re: [EVDL] Chrome-moly vs. Steel (was: Light weight electric motorcycle. DIY)

2019-12-03 Thread Paul Compton via EV
Aircraft frames are built for high strength to weight ratios, but vehicle frames normally target the stiffness to weight ratio. If any part of your frame is getting close to the yield point of ordinary mild steel, then it is, almost by definition, flexing too much for geed handling. Lotus, among

[EVDL] OT: Re: Chrome-moly vs. Steel

2019-12-03 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Wood is still used today for construction of small airplanes. Unfortunately, it must be cared for well, and inspected regularly for rot and bugs. I suspect that DNA manipulation by CRISPR may well bring back wood as a competitive fabrication material. It may even become an ecologically prefer

Re: [EVDL] Chrome-moly vs. Steel (was: Light weight electric motorcycle. DIY)

2019-12-03 Thread Neal, Gary via EV
Interesting observation from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength table: Oak (wood) has a higher specific strength than aluminum 6061-T6 and Chromoly (4130)! Balsa (wood) has a higher specific strength than most metals and almost rivals carbon-epoxy composites. Of course wood'

[EVDL] Chrome-moly vs. Steel (was: Light weight electric motorcycle. DIY)

2019-12-03 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Chrome-moly steel is about double the specific strength (ratio of ultimate strength divided by density) of mild steel. That's why they often use chrome-moly in airplanes, and never use mild steel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength As you can see from the chart, mild steel has a s

Re: [EVDL] Light weight electric motorcycle. DIY

2019-12-03 Thread Paul Compton via EV
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 03:27, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > Using chromoly will reduce the weight. Oh, is Chrome Molybdenum Steel somehow magically lighter than mild Steel? -- Paul Compton www.morini-mania.co.uk www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel) _

Re: [EVDL] Light weight electric motorcycle. DIY

2019-12-03 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
l connection to > this video. It is simply in my opinion a very good video with plans > available. Lawrence Rhodes > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3KymY86z8 > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > htt

Re: [EVDL] California’s Clean Vehicle Rebate Program

2019-12-03 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
I'm hesitant to say anything in this thread because many years ago the EVDL voted to downplay hydrogen, despite the fact that it's mentioned in our original charter. Also, a lot of what I say won't register for the True Believers. They'll dismiss it out of hand. Nobody can shake their conv