Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

Well, this [buying parts from whoever is cheapest] happens anyway. There are plenty of "after market" parts for just about every vehicle. I think the real issue with standard parts is the inflexibility it creates for new ideas. If you could predict what you would be doing for the next 10 or

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

>> it would be nice if all the manufacturers standardised the skateboards >> into a few basic versions (compact, midsize, etc.) but this goes >> against their financial best interests, so I doubt it will happen >> anytime soon. > > Wouldn't such a design save them development costs, thus

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

Standardized parts means third parties making replacement parts without needing to license, removing a profit line for them. On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 at 18:50, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > On 2 Aug 2021 at 21:42, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > > > it would be nice if all the manufacturers

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

On 2 Aug 2021 at 21:42, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > it would be nice if all the manufacturers standardised the skateboards > into a few basic versions (compact, midsize, etc.) but this goes > against their financial best interests, so I doubt it will happen > anytime soon. Wouldn't such a

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

VW is 'sorta' doing that, perhaps a few others. VW is designing a standardised base platforms (skateboard) and then putting different bodies on the skateboards. Considering how simple EVs are, it would be nice if all the manufacturers standardised the skateboards into a few basic versions

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

On 30 Jul 2021 at 21:39, Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote: > This is a battle being fought between lots of hardware manufacturers and > owners of devices ranging from cars to tractors to phones to laptops. I had an insane idea in the 1990s, and it hasn't gotten any saner since. It was down the block

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 14:44 Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > > On security: there are ways to guarantee local physical presence before > > software/firmware is changed. A physical write-protect switch or a jumper > > that must be moved is one of them. Some computers have required this kind > > of

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on ?Right to Repair? enforcement

Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 15:56:46 -0700 From: "Mr. Snarkey" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on ?Right to Repair? enforcement Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > You just don't know what you are missing I would e

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

> On security: there are ways to guarantee local physical presence before > software/firmware is changed. A physical write-protect switch or a jumper > that must be moved is one of them. Some computers have required this kind > of thing before BIOS updates could be made. Most farmers are

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key July 29, 2021 10:50 AM, "EVDL Administrator via EV" wrote: > On 28 Jul 2021 at 20:41, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > >> What finally killed [the Ford Focus EV] in my mind was that if it >> needed more than the windshield washer fluid checked or

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org >> > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Peter VanDerWal via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Cc: "Peter VanDerWal" > Sent: 26-Jul-21 16:31:13 > Subject: Re: [EVDL] FTC

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on ?Right to Repair? enforcement

On 7/29/21 6:56 PM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: Mine include not driving a bug-eyed clown car that I can't fix myself. If they are so wonderful, why did it take three of them to go 160k? Yes, Gen1/1.5 Leaf's look a bit weird. I've dismantled a 2013 completely and was quite impressed with

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on ?Right to Repair? enforcement

> You just don't know what you are missing I would encourage you to refrain from making assumptions on which you have no basis to make a judgement. My "conversion" is a factory conversion, not a home-built conversion It nicely handles my needs, which are modest I ~have~ driven it "cross

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on ?Right to Repair? enforcement

I have built and still tinker with EVs of all sorts. My Nissan which I probably couldn't diagnose or fix anything on has been a blessing. It meets all my needs. I could never make a car like that for 14k which is what I paid used and new for my two Leafs. Your conversion will never go cross

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

> Ford doesn't teach dealer mechanices how to work > on the cars their dealers sell? Considering how hard the "big three' automakers are trying to build market and sell EV's, how much time do you suppose they invest in teaching the repair department in a stealership serving a town of 5,000 to

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

On 28 Jul 2021 at 20:41, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > What finally killed [the Ford Focus EV] in my mind was that if it > needed more than the windshield washer fluid checked or brake pads > replaced, the stealership would be helpless and it would probably be > trucked to Portland (3 hours away)

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

There are some on this list who are holding back from purchasing a production EV due to the perception that the offerings are too "closed source" for their sensibilities. Whether it be remote shut down, forced updates, feature takebacks, or just plain data tracking (spying). Some years back,

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

I agree, repairability is more important than manufacturers maintaining an iron grip. And that iron grip almost certainly has holes too, which can be exploited by malicious parties...whether or not owners have access. The question isn't whether 'bad guys' may get access... it's whether the 'good

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

Hacking features is one thing, but denying access to the ability to repair is another. If the "baby has to be thrown out with the bathwater" so we can repair things, then so be it. Manufacturers will find a way to monetize the features some other way. Allowing access to diagnostics and the

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

<< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Peter VanDerWal via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Peter VanDerWal" Sent: 26-Jul-21 16:31:13 Subject: Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair”

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

I'm of two minds about this. While I applaud the fact that I can now fix my EV (if I choose too), I also agree with John Deere's point. Many(all?) of JD's bigger tractors have complex computer systems with many options that are disabled in software unless you pay for the license to enable

Re: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

le.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" Sent: 22-Jul-21 08:31:42 Subject: [EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement https://www.wired.com/story/ftc-votes-to-enforce-right-to-repair/ - Mark Sent

[EVDL] FTC vote on “Right to Repair” enforcement

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