Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-03-01 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Dan Baker via EV wrote: Does anyone know of a Ammeter kit that could read from 3 different shunts? I would like to have one at the blower, the drive motor and total coming off where the two battery packs meet. I guess I could get away with two if there was something that could measure both motor

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-03-01 Thread Dan Baker via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-28 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
2/28/2015 8:49 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure! Hi Dan, The only way I can think to do this is to build it yourself with an Arduino or something similar. This would involve an Arduino board, an ADC shield, and a LCD display. I've got something

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
For situations like this, I've used edgewise panel meters. Typically they're 1" to 2" wide, and only 1/2" high. You should be able to stack 3 in the space otherwise taken up by one square panel meter, and have one meter for each shunt. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = =

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-28 Thread Peter C. Thompson via EV
Hi Dan, The only way I can think to do this is to build it yourself with an Arduino or something similar. This would involve an Arduino board, an ADC shield, and a LCD display. I've got something similar that I used for testing my conversion. Feel free to contact me offline if you are inte

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-28 Thread Dan Baker via EV
Does anyone know of a Ammeter kit that could read from 3 different shunts? I would like to have one at the blower, the drive motor and total coming off where the two battery packs meet. I guess I could get away with two if there was something that could measure both motor shunts simultaneously? If

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-22 Thread David Nelson via EV
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > > Will a CA handle that kind of current? I thought it was for e-bike level > currents. Or can you put a bigger shunt on it, maybe a 10x or 100x? There are different versions of the CA. He just needs the one which uses an extern

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-22 Thread Dan Baker via EV
Hey everyone Thanks again for all your wisdom and help around my issue. We didn't get any snow last night, just rain so not a lot to test with before I took off for the airport. As mentioned I'm not feeling any binds in the drive train and the only thing I can't rule put is a bind that could occ

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
This leads me to think that there is a new problem with the drive function, creating a large amount of drag. That was my thought too. But he says he can't find anything binding in the shop. What if the original motor's brush advance was set correctly, but the new motors are not? A quick t

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-22 Thread Thos True via EV
While I agree that the use of an ammeter could be useful, it is difficult to see the difference between now and what the draw was before the problems surfaced. What is the connection to the mechanical drive? Did something shift out of alignment? Is there a mechanical brake that has somehow become c

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-22 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 22 Feb 2015 at 7:41, Thos True via EV wrote: > This leads me to think that there is a new problem with > the drive function, creating a large amount of drag. That was my thought too. But he says he can't find anything binding in the shop. I wonder if snow or ice is somehow getting into a dr

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-22 Thread Thos True via EV
Perhaps we should go back to the basics here...Dan tells us that everything worked fine for 2 years (seasons), then he burned up 2 motors, the 2nd one almost immediately. This leads me to think that there is a new problem with the drive function, creating a large amount of drag. I would be looking

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Feb 2015 at 21:09, Dan Baker via EV wrote: > I still have some to do's like getting some thermal monitoring > in place for both motors and some ammeter monitoring like a Cycle Analyst. Will a CA handle that kind of current? I thought it was for e-bike level currents. Or can you put a big

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread via EV
graingers. Dennis Berube Still with the QUICKEST and fastest drag racing motors Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Dan Baker via EV To: Bill Dube ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Sun, Feb 22, 2015 08:09 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread Dan Baker via EV
Hey everyone, thanks for all the suggestions and help. David, I verified the drivetrain doesn't have any binds by jacking rear of the cart up and I was able to spin the motor input spline by hand. I was also able to move the cart freely around the garage. I was able to recover two brush springs

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Yes, a week continuous. If time permits, two weeks. On "forklift" style DC motors, the brushes will last for many, many years of operation. When run on ~12 volts at zero load for a week, you just start to get an a hint of curvature in a square-faced brush. Best to "pre-shape" the brushes with a

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Bill wrote - > Also, you really need to break in a motor under light load for quite some time > before giving it maximum amps. I spin the motors using ~12 volts for about a week > to break in the brushes. Is that a week continuous? Rush Tucson AZ ___

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Using the motor to "hold" a vehicle motionless on a hill (or against some immobile load) is a sure way to roast the brushes and the commutator. A DC motor needs to spin, just a bit, to distribute the load evenly around the commutator bars and armature windings. Also, you really need to break i

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Feb 2015 at 11:56, Dan Baker via EV wrote: > I used to check it regularly with my hand for > temps, barely would get hot. Now the "H" rated insulation is melting! I'm not a motor expert, but I think the most usual causes for overheating where there was none before would be 1. Overloading

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread Dan Baker via EV
Thanks Jerry and Zeke The D&D motor I purchased (now twice) was built for low speed torque applications,40% more torque than a stock motor. Mike has advised me they have customers that use these on carts to pull large boats out of launches, etc. It's massively powerful for a golf cart. It is a

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread Zeke Yewdall via EV
Do you have any metering of motor current? I'm not familiar with how the AXE controller works with a shunt motor as I've only used them with series motors, but I imagine that if you are at low throttle, the motor current could actually be very high, while the battery current is low. On Sat, Feb 2

Re: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
little with 50% high speed doable. But not needed or wanted in your app.  Jerry Dycus   From: Dan Baker via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:36 AM Subject: [EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure! Hey folks I'm hop

[EVDL] Help! - Double motor failure!

2015-02-21 Thread Dan Baker via EV
Hey folks I'm hoping someone can help me with my EV. My snowpig ( http://www.evalbum.com/4544 ) has suffered two drive motor failures in the past two weeks! I purchased a D&D 170-04-01 8hp torque motor two years ago to beef up my cart that I use to clear our dirt road for myself and our neighbor