[EVDL] Tesla Y actual wall outlet efficiency

2022-01-04 Thread Paul Wallace via EV
The below message from Bill D. is interesting and points out the loss stack up quite clearly. I use a PM100 (Rinehart Motion, now Cascadia Motion) inverter with an induction motor (Ford ranger EV Siemens surplus). The up side of the PM100 using the simple state machine mode and the direct

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2022-01-03 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Mon Jan 03 15:02:46 PST 2022 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >On 3 Jan 2022 at 12:09, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: >For decades EV hobbyists dismissed regen as not worth the extra effort to >implement. "Just add another battery or two," they said. > >That's a pragmatic answer when you've chosen a series DC

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2022-01-03 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 3 Jan 2022 at 12:09, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > The cool thing about an efficient EV powertrain is regen can give you a lot of > this back when you go back down the hill! For decades EV hobbyists dismissed regen as not worth the extra effort to implement. "Just add another battery or two,"

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2022-01-03 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
On another discussion list, I asked users in the Colorado Rockies (and elsewhere) if using the foot-pound to kwh conversion rate provided a reasonable estimate of kwh consumption and regeneration numbers. It seemed to. So for a Model Y at 4416 pounds with two adults and luggage, the vehicle

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2022-01-03 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
The cool thing about an efficient EV powertrain is regen can give you a lot of this back when you go back down the hill! On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:29 AM Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > Well, until you start going uphill then weight becomes significant again. > > FWIW, back in the day I noticed

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2022-01-03 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
Well, until you start going uphill then weight becomes significant again. FWIW, back in the day I noticed that my diesel F-250 was significantly better at coasting than my other vehicles. Yeah it had crap aerodynamics, but 3 tons of inertia does make a difference My PGP public key:

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2021-12-30 Thread Bill Dube via EV
On 12/31/2021 4:17 AM, paul dove via EV wrote: Well, that’s not how efficiency is measured but I think I know what you mean. The Wh per mile is mostly a function of weight. Aero starts to weigh in around 55mph. On conversions a good estimate is weight divided by 10. My car weighs 3100 lbs

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2021-12-30 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
gt; > > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org >> > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: "Mark Hanson via EV" > > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > > Cc: "Mark Hanson" > > Sent: 30-Dec-21 06:17:32 >

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2021-12-30 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
Original Message -- > From: "Mark Hanson via EV" > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Mark Hanson" > Sent: 30-Dec-21 06:17:32 > Subject: [EVDL] Tesla Y actual wall outlet efficiency > >> Hi folks >> My heavy 4400lb Tesla Y is more efficient than I though

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2021-12-30 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
t; > > aluminum. No one else comes close. I think the Bolt is close to the > rule > > of > > > thumb. > > > > > > > > > Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, December 30, 2021, 8:32 AM, Peri Hartman via EV &l

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2021-12-30 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
Mark, I'd say your Tesla is doing pretty darn well for such a portly vehicle. Over 2 tons! Yikes. Some carefully designed conversions have managed outstanding efficiency. James Worden of Solectria was obsessive about it, and Forces (Geo Metro conversions) routinely got 150-180 Wh/mi when

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2021-12-30 Thread Paul Wujek via EV
y is about 3 miles per kWh, measured at the battery, or 333 > > Wh per mile. So Tesla has done a great job. I wonder what the Bolt and > > some other longer range EVs can do. > > > > Peri > > > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org

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2021-12-30 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
the Bolt and > some other longer range EVs can do. > > Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mark Hanson via EV" > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Mark Hanson" > Sent

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2021-12-30 Thread paul dove via EV
le.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Hanson via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Mark Hanson" Sent: 30-Dec-21 06:17:32 Subject: [EVDL] Tesla Y actual wall outlet efficiency >Hi folks >My heavy 4400lb Tesla Y is more efficient than I thought, close to EPA rati

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2021-12-30 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Hanson via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Mark Hanson" Sent: 30-Dec-21 06:17:32 Subject: [EVDL] Tesla Y actual wall outlet efficiency Hi folks My heavy 4400lb Tesla Y is more efficient tha

[EVDL] Tesla Y actual wall outlet efficiency

2021-12-30 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
Hi folks My heavy 4400lb Tesla Y is more efficient than I thought, close to EPA rating, measured 265 watt hours per mile at the wall outlet with a GE KWh meter over 144 miles various hwy/city driving. The laptop screen car display shows 220-240 wh/mi at the car/battery which doesn’t include