Re: [EVDL] Small EV Truck Availability

2020-05-04 Thread Lee Hart via EV 

mark hanson via EV wrote:

I’ve heard of the bloated/pricy Cyber Truck and Rivian but does *anyone*
plan to make a small EV truck, like a old 4-cyl size Ford Ranger, Chevy S10
or Toyota?  My 99’ Ford Ranger (4-cyl 5-spd) is probably not going to last
much longer & need a ½ tom payload, about 2K lbs towing capacity (tow my
1600 lb alum boat+trailer)


I'm with you, Mark. I have a 2010 Chevy Colorado (basically an S-10 
face-lift). It was the last year GM made a small pickup. I love it. 
Small, easy to drive and park, gets 28-30 mpg, has a 6' bed, can tow 
3500 lbs and carry 1350 lbs. But it's now 10 years old and 110k miles; 
so it too will out sooner rather than later.


Near as I can tell, *nobody* makes small pickups any more. After a 
couple year hiatus, the "new improved" Colorado is yet another big heavy 
15 mpg truck, with bloated luxury cab and tiny bed.


Personally, I would love to have a hybrid pickup. I could use ICE for 
long trips, and EV for around-town (90% of what I need). But I have a 
feeling I'd have to build it myself, by finding an old but low-mileage 
S10 or Ford Ranger as a donor vehicle.


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Re: [EVDL] Small EV Truck Availability (mark hanson)

2020-05-04 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
 I think this may be one of the cases where conversation might work. Find a 
totaled Tesla S and do a transplant. My Jet 750 worked well and basically it 
was a conversation. Otherwise a Cybertruck is looking good. The cheapest would 
meet your needs. Lawrence Rhodes  
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[EVDL] 4mark: Small/light Truck EV Availability

2020-05-04 Thread evln via EV 
Mark, you dd not specify your:
-price range (up to $50k)
-driving range (100mi)
-top speed (65mph)
-charging abilities (L2 is OK, but aso want DC quick charging, etc.)


A search
https://www.google.com/search?q=light+electric+truck
 gives links to explore

https://evbite.com/5-upcoming-electric-trucks/

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29890843/full-electric-pickup-trucks/

 The above 2 links are dated and list what is/was coming, but since the 
pandemic lockdown, automakers are using that as an excuse to push 
production way offin the future (if at all).

EV West has a truck to sell you
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/vehicles.php

 so does
http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/products/

https://en.byd.com/truck/
 (made in .us)

https://www.zeronox.com/electric-truck

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-International-Estar-Navistar-Modec-EV-/333557367355

 here's some nEV trucks
https://canev.com/might-e-truck/
https://canev.com/wp-content/uploads/might-e-truck-2019-r3.pdf

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Electric-Drive-Utility-Cart-Truck-Flatbed-Up-To-2200-LBS-Capacity-25MPH/153717257015

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Taylor-Dunn-Electruck-Only-132-hours-72v-Roof-Rack-Heater-Electric-Truck/223941244464

 here are some conversions that need tlc and or finish the project
https://greenshedconversions.com/pre-owned-electric-vehicles-for-sale/

http://www.evfinder.com/classifieds.htm




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Re: [EVDL] Small EV Truck Availability

2020-05-04 Thread Mark Hanson via EV 
F150 is a big inefficient truck , not for me.  I’ve had Rangers since the early 
80s 30mpg so would make a more efficient EV (not the new big Ranger)
Mark E Hanson

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> On May 4, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Mark Abramowitz  wrote:
> 
> Ford F-150.
> 
> Others, too, I think, but I’m not sure who. But since the Ford is the 
> top-selling...
> 
> I expect there will also be some fuel cell pickups from Toyota (I’ve 
> seen/touched a demo), and I would expect Honda, too.
> 
> Should be plenty of EV choices in not-too-long!
> 
> - Mark
> 
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
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>> On May 4, 2020, at 12:35 PM, mark hanson via EV  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve heard of the bloated/pricy Cyber Truck and Rivian but does *anyone*
>> plan to make a small EV truck, like a old 4-cyl size Ford Ranger, Chevy S10
>> or Toyota?  My 99’ Ford Ranger (4-cyl 5-spd) is probably not going to last
>> much longer & need a ½ tom payload, about 2K lbs towing capacity (tow my
>> 1600 lb alum boat+trailer)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Have a renewable energy day,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [EVDL] Small EV Truck Availability

2020-05-04 Thread Jay Summet via EV 
There are a lot of Chevy S-10 conversions floating around (most 
originally Lead Acid batteries, some converted to LiIon) if you are 
willing to buy a used conversion.


Jay

On 5/4/20 4:46 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:

"Bloated/pricy"?

I agree that seems to describe the Rivian, but the Cybertruck seems pretty 
cheap for what you get.  The cheap version is only a couple thousand more than 
a base model F-250 and the mid priced cyber truck is similar in price to an 
F-250 with similar features (all wheel drive, towing and cargo capacity)

Except for NEVs and Chinese vaporware, I haven't seen anyone announce an EV 
pickup with a lower price than the Cybertruck, although several of them are 
projected to cost 2-3x as much.

You'll probably have to DIY to get something cheaper.  Perhaps pickup a wrecked 
Chevy Bolt for parts and transplant them onto a 1980's Toyota pickup, etc.  
I've been thinking of doing something like that with an old 4runner I have.

May 4, 2020 12:35 PM, "mark hanson via EV"  wrote:


Hi Folks,

I’ve heard of the bloated/pricy Cyber Truck and Rivian but does *anyone*
plan to make a small EV truck, like a old 4-cyl size Ford Ranger, Chevy S10
or Toyota? My 99’ Ford Ranger (4-cyl 5-spd) is probably not going to last
much longer & need a ½ tom payload, about 2K lbs towing capacity (tow my
1600 lb alum boat+trailer)

Have a renewable energy day,

Mark

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[EVDL] Other options (was Small EV Truck Availability

2020-05-04 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV 
As far as I know, the only currently available "electric vehicle" option with a 
rated towing capacity that is cheaper than the base model Cybertruck, is the 
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.  It's rated to tow up to 1500 lbs, however it's EV 
only range is 22 mile when NOT towing, probably only 12-15 when towing.  This 
vehicle costs about $3000 less than a base model Cybertruck.

Quick review on tow ratings:  How much a vehicle can safely tow depends on a 
number of factors, one of the most important of which is how fast are you going 
to go.  In most countries (other than the USA) they have lower speed limits 
when towing than when not towing, which is why many vehicles in Europe, 
Australia, etc. have tow ratings, when the exact same vehicle in the USA says 
"not recommended for towing."  This is because in most parts of the US you can 
tow as fast as you can drive and since, in some areas, you can drive at 90 mph.
As far as I can tell, there is no where in the USA where it is against the law 
to tow with a vehicle that is 'not recommended for towing', and since insurance 
is designed to cover you when you do something stupid

While the gas powered Hyundai Kona is 'not recommended for towing' in the USA, 
it's rated to tow up to 2800 lbs in Australia.  The Electric Kona is the same 
basic vehicle as the Australian one
Lots of people tow with the Kona EV.

The Kona EV as about the same range as the base model Cybertruck and costs 
almost $2,000 less.  Of course the Kona doesn't have a bed.  On the other hand 
it's available (in some areas) now.


May 4, 2020 1:46 PM, "Peter VanDerWal via EV"  wrote:

> "Bloated/pricy"?
> 
> I agree that seems to describe the Rivian, but the Cybertruck seems pretty 
> cheap for what you get.
> The cheap version is only a couple thousand more than a base model F-250 and 
> the mid priced cyber
> truck is similar in price to an F-250 with similar features (all wheel drive, 
> towing and cargo
> capacity)
> 
> Except for NEVs and Chinese vaporware, I haven't seen anyone announce an EV 
> pickup with a lower
> price than the Cybertruck, although several of them are projected to cost 
> 2-3x as much.
> 
> You'll probably have to DIY to get something cheaper. Perhaps pickup a 
> wrecked Chevy Bolt for parts
> and transplant them onto a 1980's Toyota pickup, etc. I've been thinking of 
> doing something like
> that with an old 4runner I have.
> 
> May 4, 2020 12:35 PM, "mark hanson via EV"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> I’ve heard of the bloated/pricy Cyber Truck and Rivian but does *anyone*
>> plan to make a small EV truck, like a old 4-cyl size Ford Ranger, Chevy S10
>> or Toyota? My 99’ Ford Ranger (4-cyl 5-spd) is probably not going to last
>> much longer & need a ½ tom payload, about 2K lbs towing capacity (tow my
>> 1600 lb alum boat+trailer)
>> 
>> Have a renewable energy day,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Mark E. Hanson
>> 
>> 184 Vista Lane
>> 
>> Fincastle, VA 24090
>> 
>> 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell
>> 
>> REEVA: community service RE & EV project club
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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Re: [EVDL] Small EV Truck Availability

2020-05-04 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV 
"Bloated/pricy"?

I agree that seems to describe the Rivian, but the Cybertruck seems pretty 
cheap for what you get.  The cheap version is only a couple thousand more than 
a base model F-250 and the mid priced cyber truck is similar in price to an 
F-250 with similar features (all wheel drive, towing and cargo capacity)

Except for NEVs and Chinese vaporware, I haven't seen anyone announce an EV 
pickup with a lower price than the Cybertruck, although several of them are 
projected to cost 2-3x as much.

You'll probably have to DIY to get something cheaper.  Perhaps pickup a wrecked 
Chevy Bolt for parts and transplant them onto a 1980's Toyota pickup, etc.  
I've been thinking of doing something like that with an old 4runner I have.

May 4, 2020 12:35 PM, "mark hanson via EV"  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> I’ve heard of the bloated/pricy Cyber Truck and Rivian but does *anyone*
> plan to make a small EV truck, like a old 4-cyl size Ford Ranger, Chevy S10
> or Toyota? My 99’ Ford Ranger (4-cyl 5-spd) is probably not going to last
> much longer & need a ½ tom payload, about 2K lbs towing capacity (tow my
> 1600 lb alum boat+trailer)
> 
> Have a renewable energy day,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Mark E. Hanson
> 
> 184 Vista Lane
> 
> Fincastle, VA 24090
> 
> 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell
> 
> REEVA: community service RE & EV project club
> 
> Website: www.REEVAdiy.org (See Project Gallery)
> 
> UL Certified PV Installer
> 
> My RE Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh 
> 
> REEVA Demo: <http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0> http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0 
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Re: [EVDL] Small EV Truck Availability

2020-05-04 Thread Gary Krysztopik via EV 
Would a low-speed (NEV) work for you if it met payload and tow requirements?

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:35 PM mark hanson via EV 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I’ve heard of the bloated/pricy Cyber Truck and Rivian but does *anyone*
> plan to make a small EV truck, like a old 4-cyl size Ford Ranger, Chevy S10
> or Toyota?  My 99’ Ford Ranger (4-cyl 5-spd) is probably not going to last
> much longer & need a ½ tom payload, about 2K lbs towing capacity (tow my
> 1600 lb alum boat+trailer)
>
>
>
> Have a renewable energy day,
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Mark E. Hanson
>
> 184 Vista Lane
>
> Fincastle, VA 24090
>
> 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell
>
> REEVA: community service RE & EV project club
>
> Website: www.REEVAdiy.org (See Project Gallery)
>
> UL Certified PV Installer
>
> My RE Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh
>
> REEVA Demo:  <http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0> http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0
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[EVDL] Small EV Truck Availability

2020-05-04 Thread mark hanson via EV 
Hi Folks,

 

I’ve heard of the bloated/pricy Cyber Truck and Rivian but does *anyone*
plan to make a small EV truck, like a old 4-cyl size Ford Ranger, Chevy S10
or Toyota?  My 99’ Ford Ranger (4-cyl 5-spd) is probably not going to last
much longer & need a ½ tom payload, about 2K lbs towing capacity (tow my
1600 lb alum boat+trailer)

 

Have a renewable energy day,

 

Mark

 

Mark E. Hanson

184 Vista Lane

Fincastle, VA 24090

540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell

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