[EVDL] EVLN: 1088hp Rimac Formula E ‘safety car’ is faster than e-racers
http://ecomento.com/2014/07/04/formula-e-safety-car-to-be-faster-than-racers/
Formula E ‘safety car’ to be faster than racers
July 4, 2014 by Richard Lane
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Formula E cars may be slower than their combustion-engined counterparts in
Formula 1, but when it comes to safety cars there’s simply no competition.
Bernd Maylander’s trick Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG develops the best part of
600hp, but the Rimac Concept_One secured to oversee proceedings during the
inaugural Formula E season boasts nearly double that.
The Croatian supercar – a machine yet to see any kind of production run –
accelerates to 60mph in fewer than three seconds thanks to its four electric
motors that develop a combined 1088hp. Yes, that’s one motor for each wheel,
permitting all-wheel drive and torque-vectoring for freakish grip. Top speed
is a theoretical 190mph.
“Racing has always been the driver of innovation. It is the reason for our
very existence as Rimac Automobili was born as the result of my passion for
racing and electronics,” says the company’s young founder, Mate Rimac.
“We believe that the Formula E series will be an incubator for thousands of
innovations and technologies that will contribute to the adaptation of
electric drivetrain technology in many applications.
It only makes sense that a car that is truly embracing the possibilities of
the technology takes part in the series – the Concept_One shows already
today what tomorrow’s technology can do. Our strong partnership with the
Formula E series is a unique opportunity to push the limits even further.”
The Concept_One will be used to inspect the city circuits before races and,
ironically, to slow the cars down in the event of yellow flags after an
incident. It will do all of this without emitting any emissions whatsoever.
A lucky few will also have the chance to experience the world’s fastest
electric car during passenger laps at Formula E events.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Toro, a redcastleclassics.com modified rugged Twizy EV version
http://www.thegreencarwebsite.co.uk/blog/index.php/2014/07/06/renault-twizy-goes-rural-to-prove-its-at-home-on-the-hills/ Renault Twizy goes rural to prove its at home on the hills by Faye Sunderland July 06, 2014 [image http://www.thegreencarwebsite.co.uk/cms-images/Eco-Funky-Travel-Renault-Twizy.jpg Toro: the rugged version of the Renault Twizy http://www.thegreencarwebsite.co.uk/cms-images/rural-twizy-shoot1-003-lowres-1.jpg Out on the hills: Renault Twizy Toro tours the Breacon Beacons ] Meet Toro – a modified Renault Twizy designed to be at home in rural conditions, which will set out to prove that lightweight EVs aren’t just for cities. Modified by Red Castle Classics on behalf of the Eco Travel Network – the company which offers Renault Twizys for hire in the Breacon Beacons – the newly ‘ruggedised’ Twizy is set to undergo trials on the Isle of Eigg in the Hebrides next week to put it to the ultimate test. Eco Travel Network (ETN) has been offering ten standard Renault Twizys to rent in the Breacon Beacons national park since 2012, with great success. The fully electric quadricycles have proved very popular with visitors to the park, as a clean and convenient way to get around. But for a while, Eco Travel Network has been exploring the idea of producing electric quadricycles which are a little more adept at coping with often rough country lanes, carrying heavy loads and climbing steep inclines. In a separate project, the firm has already produced Bruce the buggy, another fully electric vehicle which is still currently undergoing testing and refinement, before it too, heads to Eigg for trials, to put it to the test tackling steep climbs and even pulling trailers. But first, the adapted Toro; he’s been fitted with two bike racks at the rear, which can carry two bicycles without increasing vehicle width, or can alternatively be used to carry travel bags or boxes for tourists. Eco Travel Network Limited - www.ecotravelnetwork.co.uk There is also larger and softer tyres and softer suspension, to make the model more comfortable over bumpy and uneven tracks, and deliver better grip on slippy surfaces. On Eigg, ten households are already signed up to help test the vehicles to assess how well they meet the needs of residents on this remote isle. Run in collaboration with Eigg Box and Edinburgh College and funded by the Green Transport Prize, the trial will explore how lightweight, low cost yet rugged little EVs might work in small islands like this where journeys are short and diesel is expensive to import. Back in the Breacon Beacons, the standard model Twizys are used to encourage tourists to leave their cars behind and explore the Breacon Beacons in a more environmentally-friendly way, reducing emissions and demonstrating that lightweight, short range vehicles are more than up to the job. With a lack of public transport alternatives in remote areas, Eco Travel Network believes these types of vehicles are ideally suited to provide much-needed transport solutions in such areas, despite the conventional wisdom that electric quadricycles are for city dwellers. You can find out more about hiring Renault Twizys for hire in the Breacon Beacons here on the Eco Travel Network website. Look out for updates on the Isle of Eigg trials too - which commence from from Friday (July 11, 2014) - on the Eco Travel Network blog. [© thegreencarwebsite.co.uk] ... http://www.autoevolution.com/news/renault-twizy-used-as-off-roader-in-brecon-beacons-park-83555.html Renault Twizy Used as Off-Roader in Brecon Beacons Park ... http://redcastleclassics.com/ Red Castle Classics ... http://ecofunkytravelling.wordpress.com/ Bruce-the-buggy For all EVLN posts use: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_pagenode=413529query=evlnsort=date http://www.idtechex.com/research/articles/webinar-23-july-electric-motors-for-electric-vehicles-2015-2025-6695.asp?donotredirect=true Free Webinar 23 July: Electric motors for electric vehicles 2015-2025 http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10217686/Google-carmakers-on-driverless-car-collision-course Google got push-back from automakers, % May go with Asian car-maker % ... http://www.moneynews.com/companies/google-detroit-cars-steering/2014/06/30/id/579983/ http://ecomento.com/2014/06/30/chinas-dongfeng-to-launch-aeolus-e30-electric-microcar/ Dongfeng Aeolus E30L 4seat EV production started r:99mi ... http://www.leblogauto.com/2014/01/spyshots-dongfeng-aeolus-e30l.html http://www.techinasia.com/terra-motors-4000-electric-motorcycle-deliver-pizza-tokyo-mt-fuji-single-charge/ $4k Terra e-cycle can deliver a pizza from Tokyo to Mt. Fuji r:150km http://www.thegreencarwebsite.co.uk/blog/index.php/2014/07/01/electric-cars-still-cheaper-to-run-no-matter-what-the-bbc-says/ Electric cars still cheaper to run, no matter what the BBC says + EVLN: 1088hp Rimac Formula E ‘safety car’ is faster than e-racers
[EVDL] 500 $ per charge???
I was reading post and saw David and some one else talking about Tesla charges going back forth from NYC to DC. @ 500$ per charge?? i would rather own a dodge viper and know up front I am getting hosed at the gas pump. Thats ridiculous...500$ or am I reading it wrong? Or coming in on this topic to late ?? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/ab64f58e/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 500 $ per charge???
On 7/9/14 8:34 AM, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV wrote: I was reading post and saw David and some one else talking about Tesla charges going back forth from NYC to DC. @ 500$ per charge?? i would rather own a dodge viper and know up front I am getting hosed at the gas pump. Thats ridiculous...500$ or am I reading it wrong? Or coming in on this topic to late ?? He was taking the price difference between the two Model S battery versions and applying it to the difference in range. Further, he was only looking at commuting over a particular route for a year, or some such, leading to his conclusion that each charge on that route over one year would account for $500 of that price difference. It was a rather arbitrary argument since the Model S will last much longer than one year and the Model S could be used for many other trips where the higher range battery might have more value. But his point was that for the regular trip in question, paying for the longer range Model S was not cost effective, in his opinion. Someone else may have a different opinion, especially if they do more than that one regular trip. Still, the difference in price as he quoted it is enough to buy a LEAF, so I'm sure Tesla buyers who are stretching to afford the Model S have to consider if they really need the longer range battery. Or for that matter, if they should buy a LEAF and just take the train for that one particular commute, as someone else suggested. There is actually no per charge fee for Supercharger use for the Model S. Think of it as free charging for the life of the vehicle. Supercharger access is included as a standard feature with the higher range Model S. However, IIRC There is a one-time fee of several thousand bucks if you buy the lower range Model S and choose the Supercharger access option. Again, there is no actual payment needed per charge at the Supercharger itself. Cheers, -Jamie -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/ab64f58e/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 500 $ per charge???
I think this is how it went: There was a calculation offered that it costs $26000 more for the extra range of a Tesla needed to go from DC to NYC, compared to owning a Leaf and renting an ICE for the long trip. A number of trips was thrown out and divided into that $26K to get $500 a trip. Not the cost of charging (which is free) - but instead the cost for owning an S just to make long trips. The main point is an S is very costly and extravagant. A Leaf with occasional use of an ICE (or maybe ther will be rentals of S models...) makes a lot of sense. For me a Leaf is extravagant. On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I was reading post and saw David and some one else talking about Tesla charges going back forth from NYC to DC. @ 500$ per charge?? i would rather own a dodge viper and know up front I am getting hosed at the gas pump. Thats ridiculous...500$ or am I reading it wrong? Or coming in on this topic to late ?? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/ab64f58e/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/f666d1f6/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Question about amp-hr
I know that watts = amps * volts, and watt-hours (wh) is a measure of energy, but over and over again I hear people talking about EV batteries in terms of amp-hours. What does that mean if you don't know the voltage? 1000 amp-hr is not impressive if the voltage is, say, 0.1 volts. Is there some sort of standard voltage, e.g., 3.6 volts, that is assumed when one talks about LiON batteries? Does amp-hours tell you something more than watt-hours? Thanks in advance,-- Larry Gales -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140708/122acf6c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Question about amp-hr
Larry, YMMV. The energy capacity, Amp Hrs, of a cell is very useful and you need to know the nominal cell voltage to go very far with it. Indeed you can get 200AmpHr at 3.2 V, no problem, as an example. 2 cells in parallel gets you the sum of amp hrs at the nominal voltage. 2 cells in series gets you the Amp Hrs of the least cell and the sum of the voltages. So you really don't want a lot of variety in a pack between the capacities of the cells or parallel cells that are in series. The series is only as good as the weakest link. A pack made with laptop cells is whole boatload of nominal cells in parallel to get the AmpHrs needed, and then those are duplicated in series to produce the voltage you desire. Once you have the voltage for the system, you can measure the amps and time to tell how much might be left to use or to be charged - at that particular pack voltage. KWhrs is more or less as you surmised KVAHrs. When you are talking about grid power you want to know the KWh because that is what you pay for, so the charging and making traction come together at KWhrs. AmpHours may be a good way to look at your gas tank. And KWhrs your wallet. These are operating numbers. But there is a lot of $$ getting the AmpHrs as a capital expense (an up front expense) when you buy or build the EV whatever the voltage. I hope if I have made any errors or too gross oversimplifications that the corrections come quickly. On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Larry Gales via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I know that watts = amps * volts, and watt-hours (wh) is a measure of energy, but over and over again I hear people talking about EV batteries in terms of amp-hours. What does that mean if you don't know the voltage? 1000 amp-hr is not impressive if the voltage is, say, 0.1 volts. Is there some sort of standard voltage, e.g., 3.6 volts, that is assumed when one talks about LiON batteries? Does amp-hours tell you something more than watt-hours? Thanks in advance,-- Larry Gales -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140708/122acf6c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/db6537b5/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Question about amp-hr
Heck, to draw 10uV at 1000A would be an interesting application. In any event you are right. 1000Ah rating only makes sense as a power value if you know the battery so you know then that 1000Ah is really 12,000Wh for a 12v nominal battery. What people mostly like to know about EV batteries is how much current you can draw, the terminology sometimes is a bit loose so context is important. Sometimes when talking about the Ah value we are really asking if you can draw 1000A continuous; then it's suitable as a EV battery, if you can draw only 10A it's not. So that same 12KWh battery is a good EV battery if it's capable of sustaining 1000Ah and a poor one if it's only capable of 10Ah. Lawrence On Jul 8, 2014, at 11:17 PM, Larry Gales via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I know that watts = amps * volts, and watt-hours (wh) is a measure of energy, but over and over again I hear people talking about EV batteries in terms of amp-hours. What does that mean if you don't know the voltage? 1000 amp-hr is not impressive if the voltage is, say, 0.1 volts. Is there some sort of standard voltage, e.g., 3.6 volts, that is assumed when one talks about LiON batteries? Does amp-hours tell you something more than watt-hours? Thanks in advance,-- Larry Gales -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140708/122acf6c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] http://teslaroadtrip.org/event-outline
http://teslaroadtrip.org/event-outline tesla road trip/convoy 7/12- 7/17 from Newark Delaware to Folsom, California. (and back) apparently they got invited to a barbeque in California. 4 starting and at least a dozen Tesla's ending as they join up. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] http://teslaroadtrip.org/event-outline
But, wait! Can they stop at the biker bars along the way? -- Original Message -- From: robert winfield via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org; brucedp5 bruce...@operamail.com Sent: 09-Jul-14 11:40:02 AM Subject: [EVDL] http://teslaroadtrip.org/event-outline http://teslaroadtrip.org/event-outline tesla road trip/convoy 7/12- 7/17 from Newark Delaware to Folsom, California. (and back) apparently they got invited to a barbeque in California. 4 starting and at least a dozen Tesla's ending as they join up. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
My Dad bought a used trailer from one of his friends in 1955 which clamped to the back bumper in two locations and had a CASTOR type wheel on a 360 degree swivel, It worked fine. And so many drivers cannot back up a trailer because they have never learned the skill. By the way a longer trailer is easier to back up. And the hitch is 5 ft from the trailer body so when you Jack-Knife you don't hit the trailer body with the back of the towing vehicle. Larry, just put a battery pack in the trailer and a motor on the wheel, a simple relay to turn the motor on and as your EV becomes discharged; (With a 20 ft long wire and a small switch to control the relay and an indicator for state of charge on the remote control box you put in the EV), switch the trailer on! Push your EV with the range extender trailer and use regenerative braking of your EV to charge your EV Pack. No modification to the EV required! Use a J1772 connection to recharge the trailer when convenient. *Dennis Lee Miles * *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Larry Gales via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/97d4f94c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Yes, we had a 1-wheel trailer when I was a kid and Dad loved it because he could back with impunity. But you should see how it can launch its entire load into the air when it hits a bump. Also, pulling just a tiny 4'x4' (flat) trailer behind my Prius loses 10 MPG. My trailer is a solar panel array what could NEVER be economical for the power gained compared to the drag. If someone needs a range extender generator, then they simply bought the wrong car. EV's for what EV's were designed for, not for replacing every fool think one can do with gas. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:27 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446 c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Bob, WB4APR, A removable range extender makes a lot of sense, you can have the increased range occasionally and not when it isn't needed, You can use it for a Backup in case of power outage at the home. (Also on Field Day Operations) and still drive the car. And you aren't limited to a Gasoline fueled generator Hybrid. and your car isn't carrying around that Generator and its fuel all the time increasing the electric consumption even on short trips to the store... *Dennis Lee Miles * *( KF4EDU )* *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes, we had a 1-wheel trailer when I was a kid and Dad loved it because he could back with impunity. But you should see how it can launch its entire load into the air when it hits a bump. Also, pulling just a tiny 4'x4' (flat) trailer behind my Prius loses 10 MPG. My trailer is a solar panel array what could NEVER be economical for the power gained compared to the drag. If someone needs a range extender generator, then they simply bought the wrong car. EV's for what EV's were designed for, not for replacing every fool think one can do with gas. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:27 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446 c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/424059bf/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Bob, spell ghrcker screwed up my callsign it is not kf4edu... it IS WF4EYO I really hate spellchecker on automatic but my son likes it and changes the settings... *Dennis Lee Miles * *(KF4EYO)* *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Dennis Miles dmiles33...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, WB4APR, A removable range extender makes a lot of sense, you can have the increased range occasionally and not when it isn't needed, You can use it for a Backup in case of power outage at the home. (Also on Field Day Operations) and still drive the car. And you aren't limited to a Gasoline fueled generator Hybrid. and your car isn't carrying around that Generator and its fuel all the time increasing the electric consumption even on short trips to the store... *Dennis Lee Miles * *( KF4EDU )* *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913 %28863%29%20944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes, we had a 1-wheel trailer when I was a kid and Dad loved it because he could back with impunity. But you should see how it can launch its entire load into the air when it hits a bump. Also, pulling just a tiny 4'x4' (flat) trailer behind my Prius loses 10 MPG. My trailer is a solar panel array what could NEVER be economical for the power gained compared to the drag. If someone needs a range extender generator, then they simply bought the wrong car. EV's for what EV's were designed for, not for replacing every fool think one can do with gas. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:27 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446 c9/attachment.htm http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/79a652ff/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] FCEV's similar to Coal fired cars?
Given the previous lambast of Hydrogen powered Fuel Cell cars… If hydrogen from natural gas is twice as bad as burning NG directly, and given that NG is half the carbon as Coal, then it would seem that a hydrogen powered FEV is the same as burning coal directly. It would make a nice summary sound-bite if true. Bob -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/7cb30321/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] FCEV's similar to Coal fired cars?
But, our friends in South Korea use Methanol and not Natural gas as the feedstock for the hydrogen. Some other arguments against Fool Cells are 50% extra losses in processing the hydrogen, $ price of the Fool Cells is about the same as the remainder of the car, raising the car cost by 100%. If using electricity to make the hydrogen from water it wastes half the energy. And the range of the cars, with present sized fuel tanks, is only 100 miles. So there no advantage and you cannot recharge them at home. *Dennis Lee Miles * *Director **E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Given the previous lambast of Hydrogen powered Fuel Cell cars... If hydrogen from natural gas is twice as bad as burning NG directly, and given that NG is half the carbon as Coal, then it would seem that a hydrogen powered FEV is the same as burning coal directly. It would make a nice summary sound-bite if true. Bob -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/7cb30321/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/d899af0d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price how do they compare?
Hello Harry,
The Spark EV is a Compliance Car. It is only being sold in California
and Oregon. If you live in one of those two states, you may want to
consider it. It also comes with a pack comprised of A123 cells.
Personally, I would not touch a GM product after what they did to the
EV1 and their callousness with regard to the starter switches.
Only the Tesla models, iMEV, and the Nissan Leaf are being offered
here. The Tesla is a little rich for my blood.
On 7/8/2014 9:12 PM, harry henderson via EV wrote:
what about the chevy spark?
harry
Albuquerque, NM
current bike: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1179
current non-bike: http://evalbum.com/1000
On Mon, 7/7/14, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price how do
they compare?
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Date: Monday, July 7, 2014, 10:53 AM
With a little help from
my friends, I am corrected: according to
http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/charging-range/range/
The Nissan LEAF® can get you 84 miles on
a single charge. [*] Speed,
topography,
load, and accessory use can significantly affect the
estimated
range.
So, recalculating the list using 84 miles @
$3200 for the Leaf EV:
Leaf: ~381 (=32000/84)
i3: ~511 (=43000/81)
Tesla-S: ~337 (=7/208)
The Tesla Model-S is still the overall better
deal using my funny-numbers
above, and the
Leaf is still the better lower-purchase-cost deal.
I hope everyone realizes that
range figures are a moving target (everyone's
range will vary). The mynissanleaf.com
forum had a chart that showed some
speed to
range ratios that some might find interesting:
http://www.smidgeindustriesltd.com/leafrangewithtesla.gif
But I stuck with using the EPA
numbers for each EV, not because I believe
the EPA range is fact, but to compare apples
with apples.
{brucedp.150m.com}
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014, at 09:21 AM, Jamie K via
EV wrote:
Note that the LEAF is
currently rated at 84 mile EPA range, not 75.
Taking that into account, and if you look
at the actual price people are
likely
to pay post tax incentives, the LEAF currently has the
lowest
cost per range mile of those
three EVs.
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Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
If I was in America I would consider making something like that to hire out to Tesla owners. or leaf, Mie v etc -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2014 6:27 a.m. To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9 /attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
http://www.evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm -- From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: 'Larry Gales' larry.ga...@gmail.com; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders If I was in America I would consider making something like that to hire out to Tesla owners. or leaf, Mie v etc -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2014 6:27 a.m. To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9 /attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Years ago I was inspired by the Long Ranger to build an electric battery and motor trailer to tow behind a gas car converting it into a hybrid. get 100+ Empg on your everyday commute, and just leave it behind for road trips. about 50 mile range and you idle the ICE, to get all the accessories to work, when your driving with electric, because the trailer is pushing you. The car can be a lease or owned because it is not modified in any way, just a bolt to the frame hitch is the connection. use a connection to the brake lights cuts the pushing and a knob on the remote control (Wired) sets cruising speed. My estimate of battery weight is 400 lb and total for trailer and motor etc is about 1,000 lb which is below, the required weight, mandating, trailer brakes. *Dennis Lee Miles * *Director **E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Terry Forfa via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm -- From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: 'Larry Gales' larry.ga...@gmail.com; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders If I was in America I would consider making something like that to hire out to Tesla owners. or leaf, Mie v etc -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2014 6:27 a.m. To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ attachments/20140709/929446c9 /attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/4137493a/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Question about amp-hr
People talk in amp-hours because it's easy and/or they're being sloppy. Batteries are sold in standardized packages (1 cell @ 3.6V for lithium, 3 or 6 cells at 6V or 12V for lead) at which amp-hours is the metric used to differentiate different capacities. But when you build a big series string (as in an EV), the voltage is arbitrary, so you're 100% correct. Amp hours are particularly useful for at least one measurement: state of charge. A lithium battery's amp-hour capacity is pretty much constant no matter what the discharge rate, while its watt-hour (i.e. energy) delivery depends on load (because at higher loads, more of its watt hours are wasted making heat in the cell). Lead's amp-hour capacity is somewhat more rate-dependent, but still more predictable than energy. Likewise, amp-hour capacity is independent of cell performance. Two different lithium ion cells can both be 100Ah at 3.7V nominal, yet differences in internal resistance can cause them to yield different energy outputs. These aren't directly specified by a manufacturer, so again, the Ah is an easier number to grab. Cheers! -Ben On Jul 9, 2014, at 2:17 AM, Larry Gales via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I know that watts = amps * volts, and watt-hours (wh) is a measure of energy, but over and over again I hear people talking about EV batteries in terms of amp-hours. What does that mean if you don't know the voltage? 1000 amp-hr is not impressive if the voltage is, say, 0.1 volts. Is there some sort of standard voltage, e.g., 3.6 volts, that is assumed when one talks about LiON batteries? Does amp-hours tell you something more than watt-hours? Thanks in advance,-- Larry Gales -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140708/122acf6c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Ben A., the problem is with a trailer mounted solar collector is the size of the collector array needed to charve an EV in the eight hours of sunshine during th typical work day. I have seen and heard of using solar carports but , they are about 20 feet by 12 feet, and a large trailer would be required. perhaps four panels about ten by six feet could be stacked on a trailer and assembled for operation, but arranging the panels to the South at an angle of 35 to 45 degrees for best absorption if the sun's light. orientation does effect solar panel output. I would be concerned about theft or vandalism if not securely fenced in also... *Dennis Lee Miles * *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: You're Brilliant!! I've been trying to figure out how to set up a temporary solar array in the parking lot at work so I can charge my 914. I thought about what it would take to build a freestanding structure I could erect in the parking lot and concluded it was a ludicrous idea. It never even occurred to me to build a solar trailer! Of course, I'd still want to find a way to lock it at night... Cheers! -Ben On Jul 9, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes, we had a 1-wheel trailer when I was a kid and Dad loved it because he could back with impunity. But you should see how it can launch its entire load into the air when it hits a bump. Also, pulling just a tiny 4'x4' (flat) trailer behind my Prius loses 10 MPG. My trailer is a solar panel array what could NEVER be economical for the power gained compared to the drag. If someone needs a range extender generator, then they simply bought the wrong car. EV's for what EV's were designed for, not for replacing every fool think one can do with gas. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:27 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446 c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/331594aa/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
