Re: [EVDL] cost of gas form Oil Sands?

2014-08-22 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Folks, this is just your friendly reminder to keep politics off the EVDL. This thread is skirting the edge. It's also on the edge as for as topicality, so Thanks. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information

Re: [EVDL] EVDL vs Air, Climate, Energy, Water & Security Well-to-Wheels Report

2014-08-22 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 22 Aug 2014 at 13:44, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > I think the EVDL server has an issue with html attachments. I'm pretty sure that it displays html that way on purpose. That way, any possible hostile contents will be apparent. If you look at the page source, you'll see that it's actually

Re: [EVDL] EVDL vs Air, Climate, Energy, Water & Security Well-to-Wheels Report

2014-08-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
ML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140822/9c4b8fff/attachment.htm> > > I think the EVDL server has an issue with html attachments. > When I used that link to view the attachment, the web browser displays i

Re: [EVDL] Conversion advice (regen)

2014-08-22 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Conversion advice (regen)

2014-08-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
From: Lee Hart via EV >When you increase the voltage, you reduce the current proportionately. >I.e. a 12v 100amp alternator becomes a 120v 10amp alternator. Rather >than use the special oddball automotive diode packages, just bring out >the 3 phase wires, and use an external bridge rectifier. It's

Re: [EVDL] Conversion advice (regen)

2014-08-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Jan Steinman via EV wrote: I have a friend who owns a motor service/rewinding shop. He says it would be cost-prohibative to do so, if you had to pay someone to do it. I'm sure that would be the case. If shop time is $100/hour and it took 4 hours, the rewind would cost $400. Nobody will pay that

Re: [EVDL] Conversion advice (regen)

2014-08-22 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Lee Hart via EV > > An easy way to get modest "engine braking" style regen is to add a > second small generator, optimized for regen. This can be as simple as > rewinding the stock ICE alternator to work as a high voltage generator. I have a friend who owns a motor service/rewinding sh

Re: [EVDL] cost of gas form Oil Sands?

2014-08-22 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Geoff Pullinger via EV >> > I'm pretty sure > that the current political structure of the US will find another source > of oil somewhere in the world. Or, as Colin Campbell put it, "An economist is someone who believes that if you show up at the cashiers cage with enough money, God wi

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Incentives make buying a new EV better than buying used

2014-08-22 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Ben Goren via EV > > The newer cars will (or might) have newer technology... Or as my Dad put it, "More stuff to break." I shopped five years to get a Dodge Cummins pickup WITHOUT power windows, power locks, power lumbar support, etc. It seems anyone willing to $4,000 extra for a dies

Re: [EVDL] Recommendations for push mower motor?

2014-08-22 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] cost of gas form Oil Sands?

2014-08-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
t) compete. But it's also a sign of what to expect in terms of inflation Cheers, b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL:

[EVDL] Air, Climate, Energy, Water & Security Well-to-Wheels Report

2014-08-22 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
>I suggest not cluttering up this list with any discussion about it. >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140822/9c4b8fff/attachment.htm> use this link t

Re: [EVDL] Recommendations for push mower motor?

2014-08-22 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
I would look at the JLD404 from LightObject (http://www.lightobject.com/Programmable-Digital-AH-meter-red-led-Ideal-for-battery-monitoring-P870.aspx). It can monitor battery voltage, amps or count Amp-Hours and has two relays in it which can trigger on high or low values of any of them. Use it to t

[EVDL] EVDL vs Air, Climate, Energy, Water & Security Well-to-Wheels Report

2014-08-22 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Fri Aug 22 13:13:47 PDT 2014 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140822/9c4b8fff/attachment.htm> I think the EVDL server has an issue wit

[EVDL] Air, Climate, Energy, Water & Security Well-to-Wheels Report

2014-08-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Alt Car Expo > Sept. 19-20 | Santa Monica, CA > > > > > > > Driving for the future. www.cafcp.org | i...@cafcp.org > > > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org

Re: [EVDL] Recommendations for push mower motor?

2014-08-22 Thread Michael Ross via EV
ion to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Ediso

Re: [EVDL] cost of gas form Oil Sands?

2014-08-22 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
told the treated water coming out of our local facility is purer than > the water in the river it is being poured into (not hard to believe). I > was also shown that you could drink a glass of it without harm (somewhat > harder to believe). It amazes me that big cities like Los Angele

Re: [EVDL] Conversion advice (regen)

2014-08-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: once I started driving it, I realized I hardly ever used the brakes... the amount from regen is not worth it (I am going on the assumption that regen in DC traction motors causes undue arcing of the commutator...) A DC motor needs to be designed with regen in mind. The o

Re: [EVDL] cost of gas form Oil Sands?

2014-08-22 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Ben Goren via EV > > At the $200/bbl range the article so casually mentions, even unimaginably > expensive futuristic technologies become economical... The old free-market argument about prices going up until more expensive technology is affordable has some serious problems. > ...imag

Re: [EVDL] cost of gas form Oil Sands?

2014-08-22 Thread Geoff Pullinger via EV
onsider this. That would at least help to conserve part of the %10 of Colorado river water that goes to municipal water systems. -- Geoff Pullinger http://www.evalbum.com/2445 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/priva

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Incentives make buying a new EV better than buying used

2014-08-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Replacing Auxiliary Battery

2014-08-22 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Incentives make buying a new EV better than buying used

2014-08-22 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 08/22/2014 10:25 AM, Rick Beebe via EV wrote: > LeasePurchase > Year 1-3 Downpayment $2400$2400 > 36 payments @ $ 199$ 300 > Year 4-5 downpayment $2400$ 0 > 24 payments @ $ 199$ 0 > Total: $16740

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Incentives make buying a new EV better than buying used

2014-08-22 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
If people believe this the end result will be dramatic lessening of the value of used EVs. That said it's not really fair comparing the monthly cost of a lease against a purchase. At the end of those 3 years the lessee will have to get another car whereas the purchaser may go for a number of years

Re: [EVDL] Replacing Auxiliary Battery

2014-08-22 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV & hybrid drivers

2014-08-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I wonder if done of this overreaction is coming from materials from the manufacturers themselves. Look at some of the dismantling instructions from Nissan for the Leaf: http://elvsolutions.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2013-Nissan-LEAF-DG.pdf I have a first responders app on my phone that also

Re: [EVDL] Replacing Auxiliary Battery

2014-08-22 Thread brucedp5 via EV
I hope others weigh in here with any corrections, comments, suggestions and share their experience on this topic. But IMO I would assume whatever 12V Aux battery you choose, it would be constantly kept at its float voltage by a DC2DC that has enough load amperage capacity for when all your 12V de

Re: [EVDL] cost of gas form Oil Sands?

2014-08-22 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
As I have said before, give it another 100 years or so and we'll be digging up all those landfill sites to recover the plastic! MW On 22 Aug 2014, at 01:09, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Peakfoto Digital Photo Still n Video via EV > wrote: > >> http://www.hybridcars

[EVDL] EVLN: Boozed-up Segwaying Norwegians> DUI-arrests in Norway & Minnesota

2014-08-22 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/transportation/blogs/norway-nabs-its-first-drunk-segway-driver Norway nabs its first drunk Segway driver Aug 20, 2014 [image / Shutterstock http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/styles/featured_blog/public/SegwayRiders.jpg ] The oft-mocked 'personal transporters'

[EVDL] EVLN: Geek-chic hamsters tout Kia Soul EV on MTV video awards

2014-08-22 Thread brucedp5 via EV
"The more we sell the more credits we get" http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/08/21/kia-hamsters-sexy-soul-ev/14315511/ Geek-chic hamsters tout Kia Soul EV on video awards James R. Healey August 21, 2014 [images / Kia http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/4a439cf3268b9c65a8c6c6cae54af72e