Re: [EVDL] Heating system

2014-10-28 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Heating system

2014-10-28 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: jerry freedomev via EV > > Of all heaters diesel!!! Come on!! What I forgot to mention is that I make my own biodiesel from waste vegetable oil. Still, diesel has the highest energy density of common liquid fuels, and can be burned very cleanly, especially in external com

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Wayne Krauth via EV
Regen can provide a substantial amount of energy back into the battery pack. On my Volt, the dashboard displays the kW for both discharge and regen charging.Regen can reach about 60 kW. The Volt battery is about 360 volts, so the regen current would be around 167 amps. A year ago I drove t

Re: [EVDL] Heating system

2014-10-28 Thread Glen Hoag via EV
Mary Oliver, "The summer day." > > To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. > Thomas A. Edison > <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> > > A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. > *Warren Buffet* &g

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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[EVDL] Aixam Mega City controller settings

2014-10-28 Thread Colcam1 via EV
Hello, I am trying to find the settings for a 2008 Aixam Mega City with a Curtis 1244 sepex controller. Some of the regen settings seem to be wrong. I can provide a list of these settings I am looking for if it would be easier. Thanks in advance for any help. -- View this message in context: ht

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread tomw via EV
My statement that it seems the Tesla S may get up to around 70% back was based on the data from the Drag Times article. The mass of the S is around 2150 kg, so calculate its kinetic energy at 114 mph, or about 51 m/sec, and take the ratio of the regen energy they reported, 0.6kWh, to that expresse

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 28 Oct 2014 at 7:34, paul dove via EV wrote: > He says right up front in the article, > > "On the first part of the steep downhill run, we could recover about > 5% of the total capacity through recuperation." In the paragraph before, Axel has been talking about battery capacity. He means t

Re: [EVDL] Heating system

2014-10-28 Thread Larry Gales via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Paul, It looks like the confusion is about... two different things. On the average, over a whole trip, all the braking that you do might return 5 or 10% of your total energy invested in the trip, so regenerative braking can extend your range by that percentage on average over a whole trip. The ~5

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I seem to recall that charge efficiency of batteries is very close to 100% when they are below 80% SOC. I'm quite sure this is true for lead, and probably for other types too. The coulombmetric efficiency is very close to 100% (amphours out / amphours in). But

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread tomw via EV
/"5% is roughly the amount of range extension that regen provides. It can be more if you make very frequent stops (like a delivery vehicle), or live in a very hilly area. Otherwise, you don't use the brakes enough to get more than a few percent of the energy you're using to drive."/ You don't have

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread via EV
There are multiple benefits to regen that are not obvious: Battery discharge voltage is higher and battery is thus more efficient after a burst of regen current. In addition, depth of discharge is reduced for a given route leading to slightly longer battery life. These are marginal, but interesti

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Heating system

2014-10-28 Thread Donald Dakin via EV
Hello all, I own a 2012 iMiev in Montreal Quebec. For reference the car has a 16 KWH battery and a 5KW heater. The first winter I owned it I was on L1 charging only and it was a chilly winter in the car. I had to use the heat sparingly because of the long recharge times. The second winter I

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Paul Dove via EV wrote: You get no where near that much energy back. 5% on average. 5% is roughly the amount of range extension that regen provides. It can be more if you make very frequent stops (like a delivery vehicle), or live in a very hilly area. Otherwise, you don't use the brakes enou

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread tomw via EV
I've measured 50 - 55% of the vehicle kinetic energy back into the pack during braking with only regen a number of times. The Tesla S seems to do a bit better, with up to 70% back - the more aggressively you use it the more you get back, but its not a huge effect. Dropping down from a summit I ty

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Heating system

2014-10-28 Thread Evan Tuer via EV
, EcoReality Co-op > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 28 Oct 2014 at 8:38, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > Notice I used 90% into the battery and 90% out to give a net 81% battery > efficiency (to match the 80% claimed by some EV's). I seem to recall that charge efficiency of batteries is very close to 100% when they are below 80% SOC. I'm qui

Re: [EVDL] Heating system

2014-10-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 28 Oct 2014 at 3:47, jerry freedomev via EV wrote: > If you live where you must have one because your EV isn't insulated > like 99%, go propane, CNG at least. But make sure you vent it. Some early Citicars had unvented propane heaters. One of the products of combustion with such critters

Re: [EVDL] Heating system (AC units)

2014-10-28 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> Reverse-cycle air conditioning (heat pump) uses typically three times less energy than a resistive heater for the same amount of heat. Amen. Mount it in the EV so you can flip it around. I have a window AC in a bathroom hole-in-the-wall so that I can slide it out and reverse it in winter. It

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
>> You get no where near that much energy back. 5% on average. >I believe you are mistaken. Regen... returns about 50%... > The kinetic energy of a moving vehicle can be mostly recovered. Nit picking here. But 50% is not quite "mostly". And "recovered" is one thing, but storing it chemically in

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 10/28/2014 06:40 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: You get no where near that much energy back. 5% on average. Do the math regen produces a few amps and acceleration uses hundreds of amps. I believe you are mistaken. Regen might increase range by 5-15% but it returns about 50% of the energy exp

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Paul Dove via EV
You get no where near that much energy back. 5% on average. Do the math regen produces a few amps and acceleration uses hundreds of amps. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2014, at 3:57 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > 'REGEN SPREADS TO SUSPENSION SYSTEMS' > > http://www.greatfallstribune

Re: [EVDL] Heating system

2014-10-28 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
E: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.or

[EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread brucedp5 via EV
'REGEN SPREADS TO SUSPENSION SYSTEMS' http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/life/2014/10/23/click-clack-slow-steady-wins-race/17804227/ Click & Clack: Slow and steady wins the race October 23, 2014 Dear Tom and Ray: I am always irritated by people who have their accelerators pressed right up

[EVDL] EVLN: 'Oh Lord, won't you buy me an Electric Mercedes Benz' ...

2014-10-28 Thread brucedp5 via EV
'My friends all drive pih Porsches, I must make amends' ... http://www.autocar.co. [you kay] /car-review/mercedes-benz/b-class/first-drives/mercedes-benz-b-class-electric-drive-first-drive-revie Mercedes-Benz B-class Electric Drive first drive review by Hilton Holloway 23 October 2014 [images