Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[Evan Tuer via EV]

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 11:59 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV 
wrote:

> Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2)
> https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector
> Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional
> adapters"
> starts and you'll see -
>
> "NEMA 6-50
> 240 volt / 50 amp breaker
> Maximum 32 amp output
> Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"
>

32A / 7.2kW is the maximum single phase charge rate in Europe, so I wonder
if they've standardised the EVSE box... however my UMC can also take 16A 3
phase for 11kW.
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Re: [EVDL] Game over the Tesla NACS wins the day

[Evan Tuer via EV]

On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 12:54 AM Danny Ames via EV 
wrote:

>  Forwarding post from GGEVA group member Randy Spencer
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 8:32 AM Randy Spencer via groups.io  yahoo@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Yes, Tesla is implementing CCS standard 15118 Plug and Charge (as should
> all other Charge Vendors).
>

EVGo's version is called "Autocharge+".  I imagine even EA will do this in
the end.

I find the US public charging is a few years behind the UK/Europe. Few
chargers accept contactless payment card, so you have to use all kinds of
flaky app. The size of charging hubs is small, the chargers low powered and
unreliable, etc etc.
Tesla addressed all those problems, but it seems they have accepted that
they can't "stand alone" forever, so in future there will be little
distinction in the long distance charging experience - same as happened in
Europe.

Right now I have a Leaf 62kWh rental in Colorado, and finding stations that
A) have a Chademo connector and B) will let me register and pay with a
non-US phone and card are almost non-existent.  I have to call a helpline
and recite my CC number!
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

[Evan Tuer via EV]

I fully agree.  Even the "Euro" Tesla high power connector would have been
preferable to CCS combo-2.  The engineers did a great job on both.
Tesla management could have capitalised on that 10 years ago, but did not.


On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 9:16 PM (-Phil-) via EV  wrote:

> Having a lot of experience with all 3 connectors and being an Electrical
> Engineer, I have to say Tesla's connector is superior to CCS or CHAdeMO.
> It's more rugged, cheaper to manufacture, and uses less space and
> materials.   If Tesla had "opened" its standard before CCS was ratified,
> then maybe they would have had a chance at being a standard.
>
> Too little too late.  Now Tesla is going to have to add the clunky CCS
> connectors to its network at considerable expense.
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 7:09 PM John Lussmyer via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > On 12/15/2022 6:12 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
> > > On 15 Dec 2022 at 11:23, Evan Tuer via EV wrote:
> > >
> > >> I know that they are trying to get the Tesla plug legislated as the US
> > >> standard but that's inevitably going to fail and seems rather bad
> faith.
> > > Oh great.  That's much like what GM did with the EV1 inductive paddle.
> > What
> > > a dead end that was.
> > The one thing is that the Tesla plug can handle more current, and is
> > easier for the end user.
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

[Evan Tuer via EV]

I'm sure most will know this but in Europe, and maybe some other parts of
the world, the V2 superchargers all have CCS connectors as well as Tesla's
"adapted" Type 2 plug (that's different from the US Tesla plug).
The V3 superchargers (and all Teslas since I think 2019) have gone CCS
only.  Older cars (like mine) can be upgraded to work with CCS, which
involves a new charging interface module, and then a fairly compact adaptor.
Some of the CCS facilities can be used by non-Tesla cars, via an app.  Yes,
the charging port locations don't match anything else and the cables are
short, so this can cause chaotic parking.

So this shows it's doable, and my guess is that even US Tesla, which I
understand is dominant in terms of charger provision right now will have to
come around to what everyone else is using eventually.
I know that they are trying to get the Tesla plug legislated as the US
standard but that's inevitably going to fail and seems rather bad faith.



On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 11:49 AM (-Phil-) via EV  wrote:

> There are a lot of older V1/V2 stations still out there, which they were
> replacing with V3 (250kW), now they are rolling out V4 which is supposedly
> capable of CCS.  Maybe this is what they are calling a "magic dock".
>
>
> https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-to-build-the-world-s-biggest-CCS-compatible-Supercharger-locations-with-Magic-Docks.649468.0.html
> Could also be Arizona:
>
> https://electrek.co/2022/09/12/tesla-supercharger-v4-station-megapack-solar-glimpse-future/
>
> I would imagine the pedestal design will be different than what those
> articles show, because they will probably need a user interface for CCS
> customers.
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 3:58 AM  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Phil.
> >
> >
> >
> > I haven't seen any here, just wondering the timeline…
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Have a renewable energy day,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark E. Hanson
> >
> > 184 Vista Lane
> >
> > Fincastle, VA 24090
> >
> > 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell
> >
> > REEVA: community service RE & EV project club
> >
> > Website: www.REEVAdiy.org (See Project Gallery)
> >
> > *UL* Certified PV Installer
> >
> > My RE Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh
> >
> > REEVA Demo: http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0
> >
> > Fincastle Solar Weather Station
> > <
> https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/a88920376f864ecabaed843dd8975b8d/signature
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* (-Phil-)
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2022 5:29 PM
> > *To:* Mark Hanson 
> > *Subject:* Re: Tesla accepting CCS
> >
> >
> >
> > They have announced they are going to do it.   Yeah, I have no idea about
> > their timeline.  In Europe, they are much farther ahead.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 1:26 PM Mark Hanson 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Phil
> > Is Tesla actually modifying their superchargers to accept CCS?  That may
> > take a long time.
> > Best regards
> > Mark
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [EVDL] Lithium Ion buddy pairing? (Was electriccarpartscompany.com?)

[Evan Tuer via EV]

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 6:38 AM David Nelson via EV 
wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Alan Arrison via EV 
> wrote:
> > I guarantee that the inferior Chinese cells will change capacity as they
> are
> > cycled and not by just a few percent.
> >
> > Running them without a BMS is a recipe for disaster. Damaged cells at
> best,
> > a fire at worst.
> >
> > All the Chinese cells are junk, especially the CALBS.
> >
> > Al
>
> I'm so glad my cells didn't talk to you! Manufactured 11/2009,
> installed and on the road 1/2010. No attached BMS other than split
> pack voltage monitor since 7/2011 and all 40 cells are doing just fine
> when checked in 3/2018. End of charge voltage 3.465V held for 45 min
> during the CV stage with current tapering to 0A.
>
> Clearly your abslolute about Chinese cells doesn't fit. Sorry you had
> a bad experience.
>
>
>
I have a lot of miles on CALBs too, probably 100k in total on personal
vehicles. One still in use with 50k miles and no BMS.  I dismantled a car
with a CALB pack recently too - somewhere around 9 year old cells, they
still had 90% of rated capacity.

I also sent around half a ton of CALB cells to be analysed / recycled by a
university research team.  Those had been run dead flat by a badly designed
BMS in a commercial conversion.

They're rather low power density but in my experience very reliable and
will last a long time if not abused.

 YMMV!
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Re: [EVDL] Anecdotal, LEAF

[Evan Tuer via EV]

Adding a data point, I sold my 2015 Leaf a month ago, at 70k miles. It
still had 12 bars showing.  I used Leafspy to check, the SoH was 92%.
I did hear tell that the UK built 24kWh Leaf (which this was) had improved
cells compared to the earlier Japanese-built cars (2011-2013?).

The car in my ownership got charged to 100% twice a day, for a long
commute. But I tried to leave it at 80% if it was ever unused for more than
a day.


On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 3:03 AM Bob Bath via EV  wrote:

> Just list my 2nd capacity bar.
> 8 years, 47,000 mi
> This is an early 2013, so happy about the longevity. Not so happy about
> only having what was state-of-the-art for then, 24 kWh.
>The 2013 allows toggling between 80 and 100%. Based on my lead acid
> experience with civicwithacord, I’ve tried to charge to 80% with a
> once-per-month 100% equalizing charge.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bob Bath
>
> Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 55 y.o.
> vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering—
> not cluelessness.
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Roland Wiench

[Evan Tuer via EV]

That's sad news. I always got a kick out of reading about his one-of-kind
EV and the engineering that he put into it.
He seemed like a good guy, always willing to share his knowledge.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:30 PM EVDL Administrator via EV <
ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> If youi've been on the EVDL for a while, you probably remember reading
> posts
> by Roland Wiench.  He gave us a lot of them -- over 4,100.  His first
> post,
> about LRR tires, seems to have been in November of 2003.  He posted
> several
> times in late 2016 and early 2017, then one last time in May of 2017.
>
> You can read many of his posts in the archive.  He's also quoted in an
> EVDL
> library article, http://www.evdl.org/pages/battpost.html
>
> I realized recently that I hadn't read anything from him in quite a while,
> so I did some investigation.  I'm sad to report that Roland passed away on
> the 16th of March this year.  The obituary is quoted below.
>
> Roland got his El Camino conversion from Robert Aronson's Electric Fuel
> Propulsion in Michigan.  Aronson is probably best remembered for his
> Renault-
> based Mars I and Mars II conversions (Dauphines and R10s), every nook and
> cranny jammed with lead batteries, but he converted several large American
> cars too.
>
> Roland never stopped improving and refining that El Camino, which at one
> time weighed over 3.5 tons.  Recently, he'd fitted it with Leaf modules,
> which must have significantly reduced the weight.
>
> You can see the car before the Leaf module conversion here:
>
> http://evalbum.com/470
>
> -
>
> https://www.croxfordfuneralhome.com/notices/Roland-Wiench
>
> Roland Eugene Wiench
> September 4, 1936 ~ March 16, 2018 (age 81)
>
> Born on Sept. 4, 1936 on Friday at 11:45 AM, I came out facing North in
> Dickinson, North Dakota, in the hospital 400 feet from our home. Made it
> home for lunch at 12 noon.
>
> My father, an electrical engineer, took me down to his electrical
> laboratory
> (I called it a dungeon). At the age of 8, he taught me basic electricity.
> My
> first project was a dog repellant that was placed in the garden. As a dog
> came into the garden, I turned on a switch that tickled his feet at a real
> low voltage. The dog stood up on his two back feet and tiptoed through the
> tulips, dancing the jitterbug. Later, I made an overhead electrical
> trolley
> using an erector set with the clotheslines as the conductors. I forgot to
> turn off the power and the laundry lady did the jitterbug too.
>
> I attended St. Patrick´s grade school and Assumption Abbey high school in
> North Dakota. I also attended the College of Great Falls, Montana.
>
> I enlisted in the Navy in 1955 as flight, radar controller, and navigator
> for carriers in the Atlantic. After studying aviation electronics
> engineering, I worked for Boeing Aircraft in Great Falls. Meanwhile I was
> employed as an electrical technician, then electrical supervisor at MANG
> (Montana Air National Guard).
>
> After serving in The Navy, USAF, and MANG I was honorably discharged as
> Master Sergeant in 1989.
>
> In 1976 I received a grant and a prototype electric car from Electric Fuel
> Propulsion of Troy, Michigan. Since 1989 I have worked on the science of
> improvement of the electrical vehicle.
>
> =
>
> While Roland remained a bachelor, many nieces and nephews survive. To some
> he was an Uncle and to others, because he lived with us during our
> childhood, Roland was an Uncle-Brother. Roland was predeceased by parents
> Frank and Clementine Wiench; brothers and their wives: Francis (Marilyn)
> Wiench and Alcuin (Annie) Wiench; sisters and their husbands: Bernice
> (Paul)
> Wilhelm and Beatrice Hall.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Juicebox

[Evan Tuer via EV]

Hi Cor,

> For the DC chargers, it was decided that there is not enough market to make 
> direct sales worthwhile, that is why the links were removed from the website. 
> We do still sell complete built chargers to integrators, please contact 
> Dorian in sales.

Thanks, I will try.

> Can’t help you with a CCS inlet, I have (privately) bought DC fast charge 
> inlets on Ebay from dismantlers.

Yes that’s the obvious route. To be honest getting an inlet *and* charger from 
a breaker might be the most cost effective route these days.

> I do believe that we sell the Mennekes 3-phase inlet. 22kW would be the 32 
> Amp variant.

Yes I have the type 2 32A inlet already, just considering adding either chademo 
or CCS.

> Our DC chargers can take either DC, single phase or 3-phase input, with as 
> only limitations
> The voltage in/out combinations depending on architecture (buck or boost or 
> both) and max current.
> Hope this clarifies,

Very good, thanks!

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Re: [EVDL] Juicebox

[Evan Tuer via EV]

> On 15 Jun 2018, at 19:32, John Lussmyer via EV  wrote:
> 
> On Fri Jun 15 10:19:07 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>> kits of serious chargers - 12kW or even more. What has happened to those, I
>> was keen to buy one?
> 
> Manzanita Micro sells a 12KW (and 18KW) charger.
> I'm using one of the PFC-50 (12KW) units all the time

Yes I still use a PFC20b myself.  The higher power charging is normally 
available on 3 phase, 32A max per phase, so a 3 phase charger is what I was 
interested in (otherwise yes, PFC30 would be a good upgrade).

Thanks
Evan

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Re: [EVDL] Juicebox

[Evan Tuer via EV]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Cor van de Water via EV 
wrote:

> Hi Damon,
> That would be me 
> Although the JuiceBox is created by another department, I was an early
> adopter and participated in the very first Kickstarter for the JuiceBox.
> With the 50 Amp outlet and the 40 Amp JuiceBox you are prepared to enjoy
> faster charging of other vehicles, even of visiting friends with Tesla’s 
> At eMotorWerks I am mostly working on DC Fast Charging, a very exciting
> field.
>


Hi Cor, it sure is exciting!  I remember a few years ago, EMW had for sale
kits of serious chargers - 12kW or even more. What has happened to those, I
was keen to buy one?
I am currently looking for a CCS combo-type 2 inlet to add to my
conversion, and/or an onboard AC 3 phase charger, 22kW or so.

Cheers
EVan
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Re: [EVDL] Honda Insight Lithium Upgrade

[Evan Tuer via EV]

Sort of - it needs an update. http://outsight2000.blogspot.com/

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:36 PM, Rod Hower via EV 
wrote:

> Evan,Do you have a project page for your Insight conversion?
>
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 5:47 PM, Evan Tuer via EV 
> wrote:
>
>
>  On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:26 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
> > This is going to sound callous, but IMO, life is too short to argue with
> > your friends about why their bright ideas will or won't work.  Just let
> > him
> > know whether he can sleep on your couch if his lithium science fair
> > project
> > burns his house down.  :-)
> >
> >
> I wouldn't say it won't work... It just won't be very simple!  Remember the
> "MIMA" modification and similar gadgets are available for the Insight,
> which gain control over charge and discharge of the battery. The basis of
> that could be used along with a lithium BMS to make it work safely, if you
> knew what you were doing.
>
> I decided it would be too much trouble, removed the gas engine and hybrid
> system altogether and put in a 22kWh lithium pack and a 100kW motor
> (spoiler: this was also a lot of trouble).
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Re: [EVDL] Honda Insight Lithium Upgrade

[Evan Tuer via EV]

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:26 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV <
ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> This is going to sound callous, but IMO, life is too short to argue with
> your friends about why their bright ideas will or won't work.  Just let
> him
> know whether he can sleep on your couch if his lithium science fair
> project
> burns his house down.  :-)
>
>
I wouldn't say it won't work... It just won't be very simple!  Remember the
"MIMA" modification and similar gadgets are available for the Insight,
which gain control over charge and discharge of the battery. The basis of
that could be used along with a lithium BMS to make it work safely, if you
knew what you were doing.

I decided it would be too much trouble, removed the gas engine and hybrid
system altogether and put in a 22kWh lithium pack and a 100kW motor
(spoiler: this was also a lot of trouble).
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Re: [EVDL] MAC, Clare Bell, JB: interesting links

[Evan Tuer via EV]

Speaking of EVDL legends... I was watching “Fastest Car” on Netflix last night, 
and got a bit of a surprise!
Episode 7, if you haven’t seen it. 
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Re: [EVDL] Electrical Safety...

[Evan Tuer via EV]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Matthew Quitter via EV 
wrote:

> That's great, and I'm in the UK too!
>
> I was wondering what people do to insulate the ends of live HV cables
> during installation and removal? Stop them accidentally touching something.
>
> I'm about to remove a battery pack from an EV conversion.
>
>
This should be possible without live tails floating about - you want to
have fuse holders mounted on or in the battery box, then you can remove the
fuse and disconnect the cable from the car side.

If it hasn't been done in that way, then see if you can get access to the
pack and remove some cell links to accomplish the same thing.

Failing that, yes, you're falling back to putting a rubber boot (bike inner
tube works well) on the end of the cable and cable tying it in place.
Anything that can fall off or rub through easily is going to do that at the
worst time possible.

Happy new year from Scotland!
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Weirdest-Sexy L3 EVSE Ad @FamilyMart.jp (v)

[Evan Tuer via EV]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:48 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV 
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 I don't know that I'd call it sexy, except that one camera shot lingers
 rather longer than necessary on the talent's, uh, physical assets.  But
 weird?  Oh yeah, definitely.


I like it!  But it's not even that out there by Japanese standards.  And
the ads are usually less weird than the shows inbetween.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Twizy Cargo low-cost/sure-fire-way2 get your company noticed

[Evan Tuer via EV]

In defence of the Twizy, it's basically a 4-wheel scooter with roof and
safety cage (without sides, so it doesn't have problems with misting up).
It has well engineered independent suspension and the handling is good.
It's cold, noisy and bumpy, just like a motorbike, but feels very quick,
controllable and is lots of fun to drive.

In terms of its capability and what you'd use it for (city and suburb
driving) it is similar to the Citicar.  But I think it's better at its job
now than the C-Car was back then.




On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:30 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV 
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 On 24 Jan 2015 at 23:46, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

  Looking like nothing else on the road, Twizy is just 2,338mm long and
  1,396mm wide ... has two seats ... powered by a 6.1kW/h Lithium ion
  battery powering a 3CG asynchronous induction electric motor through a
  single speed transmission... It will even hit 50mph on the open road
  ... Renault claims a full charge is good for up to 62 miles of range,
  though 50 is probably closer to the truth ... n the winter months ...
  the mid-30s.
 
  ... brakes are a little less inspiring ... does without side windows or
  a heater ...
 
  There is a fair bit of electric motor whine and, despite the light
  weight, the suspension can crash a bit over larger bumps.

 Sounds like an updated, more civilized version of the old Citicar.

 The original C-car was almost exactly the same size (2437mm long by 1397mm
 wide).  Although the Twizy is much curvier than the C-car, if you squint at
 them just right, you can see some overall similarities in shape (tall,
 short, narrow).

 The C-car had 35-40 miles of range, and with luck could hit 40mph on a good
 day with a tailwind.  Raising the voltage from the 48v to 72v would push
 that close to 50mph.  At that speed you were taking your life in your
 hands,
 IMO.  The brakes were barely adequate for 35mph.

 It had side curtains instead of windows.  The early ones had no standard
 heater, though a propane-fired heater was an option (it was unvented, so it
 fogged up all the windows when used).  The later cars' heater, which tried
 to harvest waste motor heat, was mostly useless.

 With solid axles front and rear, it banged and lurched over the smallest
 bumps, probably much worse than the Twizy does.

 Finally, the C-car too had ample motor and gear whine.  Consumer Reports
 said One might expect an electric car to be quiet.  The Citicar is quiet
 only when stopped.

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Re: [EVDL] Police.cn warn of dangers long scarves e-mopeds don't mix

[Evan Tuer via EV]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV 
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:


 At least the headline in this news piece was Long scarves pose health
 risks
 in China, not Electric vehicles pose health risks in China.  But the
 headline writer is nevertheless clue-challenged; it really should have been
 Long scarves around moving machinery pose health risks. (And not just in
 China.  Duh.)


Not just in China, but certainly more likely to happen in China than in the
West!
There you have millions using bicycles and e-bikes as their primary
transport, all year round.  And wearing normal outdoor clothes, not bike
gear, because you don't tend to get hot using an electric bike for
commuting...
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Re: [EVDL] Heating system

[Evan Tuer via EV]

Tens of thousands of PSA EVs can't be wrong, they all had gasoline Webasto
heaters as you describe.  It's good to have a toasty warm cabin in winter,
with no reduction in range.  The main problem with them (well, the
Thermotop-C model) is that they don't last forever, you'll need two or
three heaters per pack, if your pack lasts for 100k miles.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Jan Steinman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 Perhaps this is a sacrilege on this list, but I'm planning to provide
 cabin heat in my 1981 Electranagon with... diesel fuel!

 I got hold of an old Webasto hydronic heater. You can find them used among
 boat people, bulletin boards at marinas, etc. They sip a tiny bit of diesel
 fuel, and turn it into fairly large quantities of hot water, which I plan
 to run through my Vanagon's heater core.

 Electricity is (as HT Odum would put it) a high transformity fuel,
 meaning it is highly refined and contains a lot of embedded energy. Why
 waste it heating up resistors? A 3kW electric heater running for an hour
 uses up over ten percent of a typical EV battery, whereas one tank of
 diesel will last me all winter.

 Anyway, just a thought...

 Jan

  From: Al via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 
  It's that time of year, time to get the heater installed in my EV.

  When money becomes the deciding factor in food marketing, some very
 bad things can happen. I keep thinking about how during the famine in
 Ireland, the country’s grain was sold in the higher English commodity
 markets to pay rents to absentee landlords while the Irish people starved.
 Now that’s what I call real price discovery. -- Gene Logsdon
  Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op 

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: e-NV200 e-Van Converted into a Camper / B-class e-RV

[Evan Tuer via EV]

The NV200 can use fast chargers though, so in theory you could go touring
wherever you like as long as you stay within range of the motorway
network.  Along with charging at campsites, and the shorter distances
involved over here, it's an idea whose time has possibly almost arrived.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 I have camped throughout my life and have yet to do a cross country trip.
 Oops, there were some 500 mile plus motorcycle trips.  Though I do
 understand that the RV culture is a bit different.

 Living here in Raleigh, or where I grew up in Richmond Va you can find all
 sorts of places worth visiting within 80 miles. We camped and can still
 camp and fish at many places far closer than 80 miles. I remember 30 miles
 seemed like an incredible distance when I was 10 years old.  No reason at
 all why my parents would (want to) travel more than the usual 30 to 50
 miles.  We were after all just getting out  for a fun time.  Cranky kids
 are not fun, therefore short excursions.

 Once a year we would take a much longer distance week long trip.  There
 were some tough times in the '59 VW bus (all 36HP) with the bench seat, and
 non existent heat. Then there was the palacial '67 bus.  An EV that had to
 be charged every 80 miles might have been a welcome constraint for us.

 Overwhelming obstacles are often matters of opinion.

 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 wrote:

  On Oct 17, 2014, at 12:22 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
 
   British Firm Turns Nissan e-NV200 Electric Van Into Cosy,
 Family-Friendly
   Camper Van
 
  I wish them the best of luck, of course, but this strikes me as a classic
  case where the vehicle's 80-ish-mile range is an overwhelming obstacle.
  Almost by definition, camping involves cross-country travel. Maybe it's
  different in Europe...but I grew up in Northern California and I still
  drive the exact same '68 VW Westfalia Mom and Dad had at the time. And we
  took it camping. And I can't think of a single trip that we took that
 would
  have been within this vehicle's range. Worse, we would sometimes camp
  places farther from an electrical outlet than this vehicle could reach,
 let
  alone farther than the midpoint of its range.
 
  But, again, maybe there's a market for it in Europe.
 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BMWDaimler developing 3-Hour Wireless Inductive EVSE for i3 EV

[Evan Tuer via EV]

It's more than improbable.  There is 2 way communication with any of these
wireless charging protocols, and monitoring of the power on both sides.
 Any rogue coil (which would have to be inserted pretty much in between the
car and the charger whilst it is charging, which isn't going to happen
accidentally) would cause a mismatch and transfer would stop immediately.

Transfer won't start in the first place unless there's a correct, properly
aligned and communicating receiver.




On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 Hmmm, my instant reaction was 'extremely unlikely' as you would need a
 'receiver' circuit with the right resonant frequency to generate any sort
 of significant energy.  That said, it is, I suppose, quite feasible that
 with the mass of coils of one sort or another that there are 'out there'
 that some fluke of chance may just throw up a matching resonant  situation
 and then, who know's what could happen.   It's a bit improbable though.
 Certainly simple metal objects such as you mentioned will *not* be an issue.

 On the other hand, interestingly, the power used by the flux generating
 coils in a large, whole body MRI scanner is about the same as that which
 this inductive charger will use, ~7kW.  As I suspect you know, these MRIs
 come with all sorts of dire warnings about keeping metal objects out of the
 way lest they turn into lethal projectiles.  Fortunately, the MRI coils are
 designed to do something completely different to the inductive charger and
 so this issue is unlikely to be important.  Also, the fixed coils energy
 will only be 'live' when a car is charging so, again, it is improbable that
 with the car in the way, anything would be able to get into a position
 where something unexpected would occur.  It will be interesting to see how
 this all pans out.  MW


 On 17 Jul 2014, at 13:30, robert winfield via EV wrote:

 
  will it induce eddy currents in metallic jewelry or clasps or such in
 clothing worn by occupants.
  (My car warms me before we leave in the morning...)
  
  On Thu, 7/17/14, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
 
  Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: BMWDaimler developing 3-Hour Wireless Inductive
 EVSE for i3 EV
  To: ev@lists.evdl.org
  Date: Thursday, July 17, 2014, 4:58 AM
 
 
 
  Wireless EV Charging on the Horizon, But is It Safe?
 
 
 http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/cables-needed-bmw-daimler-working-wireless-charging-technology-evs/
  No cables needed: BMW and Daimler working on wireless
  charging technology
  for EVs
  By Andrew Hard — July 11, 2014
 
  [image
  http://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image/rsz_p90155654.jpg
  Wireless Charging Technology
  ]
 
  With the help of BMW and Daimler, electric vehicles are
  taking the next step
  toward worry-free ownership.
 
  The German automakers recently announced a joint effort to
  develop a
  wireless charging system for the i3 electric vehicle and i8
  plug-in hybrid.
 
  EVs don’t need oil changes, filter replacements, or
  emissions testing, so
  they’re already extremely convenient to own. If the
  inductive wireless
  charging technology is viable, EV owners won’t even need
  to worry about
  refueling.
 
  BMW and Daimler’s charging tech works in the same way
  wireless cell phone
  chargers do, just on a larger scale. An alternating magnetic
  field transmits
  energy between two sets of coils: one mounted onto the
  car’s parking area
  (usually a garage floor), and a secondary coil on the
  vehicle itself.
 
  The array transmits energy at a charging rate of 3.6
  kilowatts, which,
  according to BMW, is enough to fully charge an i8 in under
  two hours. The
  German engineers predict they can increase that rate to 7.0
  kW in the
  future.
 
  The circular design of the coils comes in a compact,
  lightweight package
  that is equal parts subtle and slick. The floor-mounted
  baseplate will
  function even when exposed to rain and snow, and the car’s
  receiver coil can
  be activated with the push of a button.
 
  To keep the neighborhood cats safe and grounded, the current
  is
  automatically shut off if any foreign bodies are detected.
  BMW allows users
  to monitor the charging process with the i Wallbox and
  accompanying
  smartphone app.
 
  As always, BMW strives to be an innovator. In May, the
  German company
  announced a solar-powered carport that would allow i3 and i8
  owners to
  charge their vehicles easily and conveniently at home.
 
  The i Solar Concept gathers energy from the sun and funnels
  it into the
  customer’s car. If the vehicle is charged, owners can
  siphon excess power
  into their residence. The carport is even made from green
  materials like
  bamboo and carbon fiber, making the energy source as
  sustainable as the cars
  themselves.
  [© digitaltrends.com]

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