Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v
I used Willie's 85 s to tow a trailer full of car parts and golf cart parts that might have come close to the weight of a small car. Picked them up about 105 miles away and made it back going 55 mph on one charge , Very nice ride ,scroll down to see pic at , http://www.greenshedconversions.com/Pages/SUMMEROF2013.aspx http://www.greenshedconversions.com/Pages/SUMMEROF2013.aspx That said even a 144v old school conversion can tow pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3XkEWdfL0g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3XkEWdfL0g I towed my lawn trailer for years with a 120v curtis controller and a ADC 9 at one time What would we be if all cars in the US where green? we'd be a greencarnation,flower power :-) www.Greenshedconversions.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150415/b4ea1626/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)
It just boggles my mind how these comments can be made while Knowing nothing about the engineering that has gone into these cars to make them able to tow. What gives any indication that they can't tow as well as any other car or for that matter that they will over heat? They don't have adequate cooling? I suggest that people that make accusations back them up with facts. Geese. Mark Grasser It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks have all manner of extra cooling gear, for transmission, oil coolers, oversize radiators, and so on. It is a simple application that is difficult in practice. In any case, don’t get your hopes up too high on a truly versatile towing capacity because electric power isn’t similar to a traditional engine’s twist. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)
Ben, Well we shall see. We already know they are speed limited due to thermal issues. You can't run full speed forever. I am sure you can start to pull a big load, but these are passenger cars. Not towing machines. They have to beef everything up to do serious towing service. That aluminum frame is suspect to me for heavy towing. There is a reason why cars and trucks have steel towing gear. You can likely tow a john boat, or other small, light things. You can have a cooler rack, or a bike rack. You can get a trailer hitch on a Miyata. It is even worth having, but you don't do much with it. I doubt the intent will be to pull a camper up in the mountains. There will have to be limitations. And they may come as a slow down or shut down to protect things. I like to think Tesla is not stupid enough to let people ruin a nice luxury sedan by towing anything big. We are both BS'ing. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote: On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks have all manner of extra cooling gear, for transmission, oil coolers, oversize radiators, and so on. It is a simple application that is difficult in practice. I'd like to think that Tesla isn't stupid enough to sell an SUV with a trailer hitch and insane power and torque...and inadequate cooling. Their engineers have gotten everything else right; I just can't see them overlooking something that basic. I'll go out on a limb: if it comes from the factory with a trailer hitch, you can tow impossibly heavy loads all day long until the battery runs out -- which will take much less than all day with such a load, granted. If they don't put the hitch on at the factory, you'd best keep your eyes glued to the temperature gauge if you tow anything heavier than your red Radio Flyer, though people will still be impressed with how much they can get away with. b -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150414/4aa33423/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)
On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks have all manner of extra cooling gear, for transmission, oil coolers, oversize radiators, and so on. It is a simple application that is difficult in practice. I'd like to think that Tesla isn't stupid enough to sell an SUV with a trailer hitch and insane power and torque...and inadequate cooling. Their engineers have gotten everything else right; I just can't see them overlooking something that basic. I'll go out on a limb: if it comes from the factory with a trailer hitch, you can tow impossibly heavy loads all day long until the battery runs out -- which will take much less than all day with such a load, granted. If they don't put the hitch on at the factory, you'd best keep your eyes glued to the temperature gauge if you tow anything heavier than your red Radio Flyer, though people will still be impressed with how much they can get away with. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150414/772a3227/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)
On 04/14/2015 12:49 PM, Mark Grasser via EV wrote: It just boggles my mind how these comments can be made while Knowing nothing about the engineering that has gone into these cars to make them able to tow. What gives any indication that they can't tow as well as any other car or for that matter that they will over heat? They don't have adequate cooling? I suggest that people that make accusations back them up with facts. Geese. Mark Grasser As reported here a year or so ago, I used my S to tow a ~800 pound tear drop trailer ~1000 miles last winter. Not towing energy use was 300-400 wh/m, with the trailer it was ~500+ wh/m. More recently, I pulled my imiev (regenning) about 100 miles; energy consumption there was 600+ wh/m. As I recall. The Tesla gave me no trouble with either endeavour. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)
Bigness doesn't have much to do with it. Its what's between the ears. I pull BIG things with my Prius all the time (Boat and Camper) ... but not far, and not fast. I pull small things Far and fast. And I can do any mix of things as long as apply common sense and DON'T OVERLAD THE CAR. Duh... Bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross via EV Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:48 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v) Ben, Well we shall see. We already know they are speed limited due to thermal issues. You can't run full speed forever. I am sure you can start to pull a big load, but these are passenger cars. Not towing machines. They have to beef everything up to do serious towing service. That aluminum frame is suspect to me for heavy towing. There is a reason why cars and trucks have steel towing gear. You can likely tow a john boat, or other small, light things. You can have a cooler rack, or a bike rack. You can get a trailer hitch on a Miyata. It is even worth having, but you don't do much with it. I doubt the intent will be to pull a camper up in the mountains. There will have to be limitations. And they may come as a slow down or shut down to protect things. I like to think Tesla is not stupid enough to let people ruin a nice luxury sedan by towing anything big. We are both BS'ing. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote: On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks have all manner of extra cooling gear, for transmission, oil coolers, oversize radiators, and so on. It is a simple application that is difficult in practice. I'd like to think that Tesla isn't stupid enough to sell an SUV with a trailer hitch and insane power and torque...and inadequate cooling. Their engineers have gotten everything else right; I just can't see them overlooking something that basic. I'll go out on a limb: if it comes from the factory with a trailer hitch, you can tow impossibly heavy loads all day long until the battery runs out -- which will take much less than all day with such a load, granted. If they don't put the hitch on at the factory, you'd best keep your eyes glued to the temperature gauge if you tow anything heavier than your red Radio Flyer, though people will still be impressed with how much they can get away with. b -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150414/4aa334 23/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)
Willie, What if you put pedal to the metal for a while - like 10 minutes? I heard they are governed at some point - because of heat. Towing up a mountain would simply cause the same effect at lower speeds. I am not sure why this idea - that there is a limit to how much a Tesla can tow - is annoying to anyone. It is not a truck. It would be silly for them to build truck duty into a car. Put a hitch on there so you can take your bikes, or pull a little trailer with limited payload (like 800 lb). That is great. A scoop of damp compost? Take it easy with that. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 04/14/2015 12:49 PM, Mark Grasser via EV wrote: It just boggles my mind how these comments can be made while Knowing nothing about the engineering that has gone into these cars to make them able to tow. What gives any indication that they can't tow as well as any other car or for that matter that they will over heat? They don't have adequate cooling? I suggest that people that make accusations back them up with facts. Geese. Mark Grasser As reported here a year or so ago, I used my S to tow a ~800 pound tear drop trailer ~1000 miles last winter. Not towing energy use was 300-400 wh/m, with the trailer it was ~500+ wh/m. More recently, I pulled my imiev (regenning) about 100 miles; energy consumption there was 600+ wh/m. As I recall. The Tesla gave me no trouble with either endeavour. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150414/510587d4/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)
Ben, It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks have all manner of extra cooling gear, for transmission, oil coolers, oversize radiators, and so on. It is a simple application that is difficult in practice. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Apr 14, 2015, at 5:40 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: In any case, don’t get your hopes up too high on a truly versatile towing capacity because electric power isn’t similar to a traditional engine’s twist. Huh? Range questions aside, an electric vehicle with ~700 HP / ft-lbs should absolutely stomp all over anything else on the market. And with all of that torque there from a standing stop...I can't imagine how gas could possibly be any more versatile than that. Hell, this thing should be able to tow the broken-down tow truck with the broken-down still-full pickup truck still on the flatbed. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150414/629411cf/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150414/147a5a79/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)
On Apr 14, 2015, at 5:40 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: In any case, don’t get your hopes up too high on a truly versatile towing capacity because electric power isn’t similar to a traditional engine’s twist. Huh? Range questions aside, an electric vehicle with ~700 HP / ft-lbs should absolutely stomp all over anything else on the market. And with all of that torque there from a standing stop...I can't imagine how gas could possibly be any more versatile than that. Hell, this thing should be able to tow the broken-down tow truck with the broken-down still-full pickup truck still on the flatbed. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150414/629411cf/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)
Agreed. I do expect that my 2002 Prius can do 70 MPH up the mountain by itself, I do not expect that when I tie my 4400 lbs electric truck behind that Prius, that I can go far and fast, like the Airstream trailer that was overtaking me at 70+ MPH yesterday. But I do expect that I can pull it 2 miles on 35 MPH surface streets to get it home after its controller failed, like 2 years ago. I bet that Tesla will give clear outline of what you can expect with towing, such as towing a bike rack or a mobility scooter and a certain size trailer. I also expect that they will allow towing to a certain weight and that the car will self-limit if you are overloading it towing up a mountain in hot weather, so you will simply see it gradually lose speed (reduce power) to self-protect. BTW, the fact that an X was spied with a tow hitch does not necessarily mean that the car will eventually have a hitch also, as it could have been used for devt purposes or field tests, but it underscores the option to install a hitch, something that has been done after-market on many vehicles that were not originally designed with this option. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga via EV Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 11:20 AM To: Michael Ross; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v) Bigness doesn't have much to do with it. Its what's between the ears. I pull BIG things with my Prius all the time (Boat and Camper) ... but not far, and not fast. I pull small things Far and fast. And I can do any mix of things as long as apply common sense and DON'T OVERLAD THE CAR. Duh... Bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross via EV Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:48 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v) Ben, Well we shall see. We already know they are speed limited due to thermal issues. You can't run full speed forever. I am sure you can start to pull a big load, but these are passenger cars. Not towing machines. They have to beef everything up to do serious towing service. That aluminum frame is suspect to me for heavy towing. There is a reason why cars and trucks have steel towing gear. You can likely tow a john boat, or other small, light things. You can have a cooler rack, or a bike rack. You can get a trailer hitch on a Miyata. It is even worth having, but you don't do much with it. I doubt the intent will be to pull a camper up in the mountains. There will have to be limitations. And they may come as a slow down or shut down to protect things. I like to think Tesla is not stupid enough to let people ruin a nice luxury sedan by towing anything big. We are both BS'ing. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote: On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks have all manner of extra cooling gear, for transmission, oil coolers, oversize radiators, and so on. It is a simple application that is difficult in practice. I'd like to think that Tesla isn't stupid enough to sell an SUV with a trailer hitch and insane power and torque...and inadequate cooling. Their engineers have gotten everything else right; I just can't see them overlooking something that basic. I'll go out on a limb: if it comes from the factory with a trailer hitch, you can tow impossibly heavy loads all day long until the battery runs out -- which will take much less than all day with such a load, granted. If they don't put the hitch on at the factory, you'd best keep your eyes glued to the temperature gauge if you tow anything heavier than your red Radio Flyer, though people will still be impressed with how much they can get away with. b -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part
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2016 Tesla Model X Spied in California, It’s Got a Tow Hitch - Video
by Mircea Panait 6th April 2015
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2016 Tesla Model X Spied in California, It’s Got a Tow Hitch
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After Elon Musk announced that 10,030 EVs have been delivered in the first
three months of the current year, Tesla Motors is preparing for the next big
thing - the Model X. The latest sighting of the all-electric jacked-up Model
S comes from I-280 near Palo Alto.
Incidentally, Palo Alto is where Tesla Motors is based, while the Fremont
plant is located some 25 miles from the HQ, so go figure what was the Model
X prototype doing on California’s I-280. If you look closely, you’ll see
that this prototype boasts with a tow hitch.
In any case, don’t get your hopes up too high on a truly versatile towing
capacity because electric power isn’t similar to a traditional engine’s
twist. Nevertheless, the production-ready Model X crossover SUV is going to
get the same underpinnings as the D-ified Model S. In numbers, that
translates to up to 691 all-electric ponies and 685 lb-ft (931 Nm).
All-wheel drive via two electric motors and more than 225 miles (362 km) of
range at 100 percent charge are also on the menu. As you can see in the
latest Model X sighting, much of the vehicle is camouflaged. Black rare
windows, misaligned Falcon Wing Doors and masked bits and bobs are the
elements engineers employed in order to keep us EV-heads as curious as ever
before.
Slated to start production in the third quarter of 2015, the 2016 Tesla
Model X will come in no less than three guises: 60 kWh, 85 kWh and 85 kWh
Performance. If you want one, delivery estimates for new reservations is
“early 2016.” Yup, that's a lot of waiting to get your hands on the
long-awaited X.
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