Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-08 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
On 06/06/2014 03:08 PM, Lee Hart wrote: Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote: Schneider Electric says some kinds of GFCI breakers are not backfeed friendly and can in fact damage them: http://static.schneider-electric.us/docs/Circuit%20Protection/0900DB1001.pdf ---start quote--- These circuit breakers

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-07 Thread Hoegberg via EV
[ That one below was aimed for the list, hotmail seems not to like the new evdl-settings, a "reply" goes only to the original sender. I noticed it to late. / John ] From: hoegb...@hotmail.com To: leeah...@earthlink.net Subject: RE: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical Date: Sat, 7 Jun

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
All metering by your utility is Watt Hours, Not Volt-Amperes. However, that is true only for residential service, and commercial metering measures and triggers a premium rate in the event of exceeding a certain Power Factor, and or Peak Demand consumption rate during the billing interval (the rate

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> I think a better solution would be to make a charger > that *compensates* for the power factor of the home > ...Such a charger won't just have a "do no harm" effect; > it will *improve* the power factor of the house!-- Remind me We dont pay for bad power factor do we? Do our electric meters rea

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: You wouldn't even need a central instruction. It could be the same V2G electronics, but only one way. That is, when there's a dip in voltage charging decreases. The bigger the dip, the more the charge shuts down. I suppose it could also react to spikes and absorb ex

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
r a moment, too. But it wouldn't put anything back into the grid. Peri -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV Sent: 06 June, 2014 12:27 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practi

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Bill Dube via EV
If you are concerned about your EV somehow supplying unwanted current, burning up wires, juicing an electrician, etc. one could think of several ways to electronically sense if the grid had gone dark, or some circuit breaker in the chain had tripped. I agree that if the GFCI didn't trip when d

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
I agree entirely Lee, I have been saying for a couple years that V2G is nearly impossible to implement on a large enough scale. I have allowed the power company to reduce demand during peak hours my water heating and air conditioning consumption. For $14 in monthly credit. However I feel that V2H

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert E CIV USNA Annapolis Bruninga via EV wrote: V2G will never be practical unless vehicles are plugged in all day. And if they are pluggedin all day, then they only need 120v L1 15 amp service. I agree! I just can't see how high-power V2G can be much more than a scheme to extract money as

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote: Schneider Electric says some kinds of GFCI breakers are not backfeed friendly and can in fact damage them: http://static.schneider-electric.us/docs/Circuit%20Protection/0900DB1001.pdf ---start quote--- These circuit breakers are distinctive in that they have a white “

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote: V2G is a type of backfeeding; 120v L1 outlets protected by GFCIs probably won't work very well for this, but dedicated 120v outlets exempt from upstream GFCI could. No, a GFCI won't care if you are backfeeding power through it. All a GFCI does is compare the hot and

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical On 06/06/2014 09:41 AM, Robert E CIV USNA Annapolis Bruninga via EV wrote: Subj was: RE: [EVDL] EVLN: E-school-buses$aveschooldistrictsmillions I just think the fluctuation in loads is substantially more predictable than

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical On 06/06/2014 09:41 AM, Robert E CIV USNA Annapolis Bruninga via EV wrote: > Subj was: RE: [EVDL] EVLN: E-school-buses$aveschooldistrictsmillions > >>> I just think the fluctuation in loads is substantially more predictab

Re: [EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
On 06/06/2014 09:41 AM, Robert E CIV USNA Annapolis Bruninga via EV wrote: Subj was: RE: [EVDL] EVLN: E-school-buses$aveschooldistrictsmillions I just think the fluctuation in loads is substantially more predictable than the number of vehicles plugged in at any one time. Which trigger my 2 c

[EVDL] V2G at L1 is practical

2014-06-06 Thread Robert E CIV USNA Annapolis Bruninga via EV
Subj was: RE: [EVDL] EVLN: E-school-buses$aveschooldistrictsmillions >> I just think the fluctuation in loads is substantially more predictable >> than the number of vehicles plugged in at any one time. Which trigger my 2 cents: V2G will never be practical unless vehicles are plugged in all da