Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
Lee, I haven't thought of Rick for quite awhile, was happy to find that
he is still pursuing development of the Tango, named after one of the
compulsory ice dances he did as a skater. It is a great car that would
fill a niche if affordable. It would have been perfect for
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
However, putting rails on existing freeways is riddled with problems.
Well, we've had streetcar tracks in cities for well over a hundred
years. There are lots of places where railroad tracks run right along
highways. There are many places with dedicated lanes for
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On 6 Dec 2020 at 21:54, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
Every year they pull up more tracks and covert the railway to something
else. I doubt they will ever be able to get them bac
Also the class 1 railroads in the US are notorious for opposing infrastructure
upgrades and improved technology for rolling Stock, such as automatic braking
systems for freight cars, GPS safety navigation and routing systems, etc. And
America’s RR rights of way are physically incapable of
On 6 Dec 2020 at 21:54, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
> Every year they pull up more tracks and covert the railway to something
> else. I doubt they will ever be able to get them back.
I'm not a rail expert by any means, and maybe I don't pay attention in the
right places, but I don't see
> Today, we have far better methods of signaling. If the lead train or
> truck-train has trouble, it
> can electronically warn all the ones behind it to stop NOW! I'd guess that
> trucks with rubber tires
> could stop a heck of a lot faster in an emergency than a train car on steel
> wheels.
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
there would be fewer workers from longshoremen to rig drivers and,
therefore, the unions would fight hard against it.
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
I'm not so sure. After 40 years of union busting, it seems to me that other
than police unions, US unions don't
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he is still pursuing development of the Tango, named after one of the
compulsory ice dances he did as a skater. It is a great car that would
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>> Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>>> Right. But we're talking about large trucks, not a train. Unless
>>
I thought the original poster was more contemplating light and medium duty
trucks running on a rail system embedded perhaps in a local rail/road network
around a metro area, rather than moving heavy truck traffic onto the rail
system. Which they already do now with intermodal shipping - e.g.
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> >Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
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But, imagine, self driving or not, having semi trucks line up and drive
over a railway spur. Then, lower their steel wheels, and drive off as a
train, of sorts.
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
I see the big positives here, but I also see a troubling side effect.
Freight is the lifeblood of
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On 6 Dec 2020 at 0:50, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> there would be fewer workers from longshoremen to rig drivers and,
> therefore, the unions would fight hard against it.
I'm not so sure. After 40 years of union busting, it seems to me that other
than police unions, US unions don't have much
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On 5 Dec 2020 at 20:21, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
But, imagine, self driving or not, having semi trucks line up and drive
over a railway spur. The
On 5 Dec 2020 at 20:21, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> But, imagine, self driving or not, having semi trucks line up and drive
> over a railway spur. Then, lower their steel wheels, and drive off as a
> train, of sorts.
I see the big positives here, but I also see a troubling side effect.
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Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Right. But we're talking about large trucks, not a trai
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Right. But we're talking about large trucks, not a train. Unless
drafting, each truck has to deal with wind resistance. But, with
drafting, your point makes the argument that rails would make a
significant difference.
Maybe the US should be financing a new kind of
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Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
If nearly all the savings is from reducing wind resistance, by drafting,
then the rails aren't really
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
If nearly all the savings is from reducing wind resistance, by drafting,
then the rails aren't really needed. We could build more expensive
infrastructure, but a cheaper solution is often better. In other words,
the focus should be on making drafting possible, not
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
The gravitational energy you put into a vehicle climbing a hill, comes back
to you on the downhill side. The effect of weight is often overestimated
for this reason.
That works well for cars; but not for trains. Diesel-electrics have no
means for regenerative
Volvo has been working on this, in conjunction with the Swedish government:
https://www.volvogroup.com/en-en/news/2018/sep/volvo-plans-to-build-electric-roads.html
I've also seen a demonstration of wireless power embedded in a road:
There are actually three forms of resistance commonly associated with rail
transport: 1) train resistance - the loaded weight of the consist and
locomotive; 2) grade and curvature resistance imparted by friction between the
rails and wheels, and 3) vehicle speed. These three factors establish
The gravitational energy you put into a vehicle climbing a hill, comes back
to you on the downhill side. The effect of weight is often overestimated
for this reason. Battery power is very efficient, in terms of how much you
put in, is close to what you get out, unlike with fossil fuels which are
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>> If that's the case, then they aught to embed ste
This already exists:
https://youtu.be/qgQA_fySJ74?t=514
Making it work in practice is harder than it looks, though.
-Luke
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 2:58 PM Peter VanDerWal via EV
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> If that's the case, then they aught to embed steel rails in the lane. The
> truck can get to/from the
ot.
Peri
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If that's the case, then they aught to embed steel rails in the lane. The
truck can get to/from the lane on rubber tires and then switch to steel wheels
on steel rails. Much better efficieny, reduce wear on tires (saves money) and
less micro-partical pollution.
As an added bonus the rails
At least initially, the proposal is for a special closed lane along the freeway.
- Mark
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> On Dec 1, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
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> Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>> You may see this on Class 8 trucks on specialized lanes early on -
>> there
rote:
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Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
You may see this on Class 8 trucks on specialized lanes early on -
there is a lot of work going on in this area. It will have a big
impact on goods movement.
We've gone from footpaths, to horses, to wagons, to railroads, to
log-paved "corduroy" roads, and now
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Agreed, but who want to be the one to debug t
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>> Another way to measure success is when the number of fatalities from
>> autonomous vehicles becomes less than other vehicle fatalities. There will
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David Roden:
'I'm also skeptical about the future of SDVs (self driving vehicles). I
think that they'll eventually, maybe soon, take
You may see this on Class 8 trucks on specialized lanes early on - there is a
lot of work going on in this area. It will have a big impact on goods movement.
- Mark
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> On Dec 1, 2020, at 2:22 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV wrote:
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> David Roden:
> 'I'm also
David Roden:
'I'm also skeptical about the future of SDVs (self driving vehicles). I
think that they'll eventually, maybe soon, take over in closed-circuit uses,
but probably not on public roads. I think that they'll be pushed out for
sale too soon, and the resulting spectacular and highly
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