personal attack.
(And yes, I'm a strong solar supporter, too, and have spent my own time
pressing for better policies and programs.)
>
> Bob
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Abramowitz [mailto:ma...@enviropolicy.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:34 PM
> To:
I think I agree with everything you said EXCEPT that if coals provides most
power, it *is* an issue, and a matter of credibility if you don't acknowledge
it.
Sure, if there are options to avoid that, by all means, point those out. In
fact, it doesn't really matter what % is using those options.
Abramowitz [mailto:ma...@enviropolicy.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:34 PM
To: Robert Bruninga; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot
I think I agree with everything you said EXCEPT that if coals provides
most power, it *is* an
On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> But for 83% of us, it has dropped to Zero NOW. We aren't waiting.
In addition to this very important point, there's another equally-important
point to be made.
Coal is nasty, yes. But so is petroleum. And even those EVs that are powe
> I agree, but in some areas a lot of the energy *is*
> being produced by coal. So there's a need to avoid understating that.
I disagree completely. Electricity can be 90% coal in some areas, but if
83% of EV owners are putting up solar or subscribing to wind power then
there is no need to condem
I agree, but in some areas a lot of the energy *is* being produced by coal. So
there's a need to avoid understating that.
Fortunately, the amount of electricity produced by coal will be dropping fairly
quickly.
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> On Aug 17, 2015, at 6:05 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
> w
ing an EV is simply "the right thing to do" (if it fits your driving
needs) and its fun.
Bob
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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL
Administrator via EV
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 9:06 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject:
Who would have thought even a decade ago that FORD would be issuing
apparently pro-EV news releases?
That said, IMO we need to be a little more careful how we use the Ford
survey data. It doesn't say that 83% of EV owners are charging their EVs
with PV. It says that 83% of them HAVE or ARE
On Sat, 8/15/15, tomw via EV wrote:
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2015, 8:02 AM
/"You may power your
EV from the dirty power in your state, but studi
/"You may power your EV from the dirty power in your state, but studies in
2012 showed about 50% of EV owners charged their cars from 100% renewable
solar or wind."/
I didn't say I powered my EV from the grid, you just made that assumption
and acted on it without bothering to check if it was cor
It is because of the EPA enacted the cross state air pollution rule forcing
states to reduce emissions. The cost of the upgrades makes natural gas plants
more profitable so they quit building cole plants
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> On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>
> On A
On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
>
> there's no longer a business case for utilities for new construction of
> anything other than dirty coal,
Coal is dead in this country already. Name the last new coal plant announced.
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Even though we have cheap gasoline for now, the replacement cost is in
the $3 to $4 a gallon range using for example, Bakken and Eagle Ford
shale oil at a breakeven price of $60 to$ 80+ per barrel. If electric
rates are near $0.10/kwhr, then it cost about $1.00 to go 30 miles
whereas an ICE co
What is often overlooked is that as EV grow in popularity, electricity
saving devices also become more popular. I think the two trends may
balance out the total home electricity use, at least to some extent.
LED light bulbs, energy efficient TV's (remember CRT's and projection
type big screens
On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Coal power is history. It is not
> because of more strict regulations (even though "the polluter pays" would
> have been nice for so many people suffering from the results of decades of
> burning coal) but simply the business case for
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From: EV on behalf of Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sent: Fri 8/14/2015 8:46 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot
You may be correct, but as EVs become ubiquitous, and not just the early
adopters, the % of those using s
You may be correct, but as EVs become ubiquitous, and not just the early
adopters, the % of those using solar must decline. That is, unless solar
becomes significantly more ubiquitous than EVs.
Better to be conservative with the numbers. (IMO, of course)
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On Aug 14, 2015, a
> I also have gotten the coal claim, which I correct,
> giving the power generating mix in my state,
> but I get the impression they don't believe it.
You may power your EV from the dirty power in your state, but studies in
2012 showed about 50% of EV owners charged their cars from 100% renewable
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