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2014-08-01 Thread Roland via EV
tric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lithium battery setpoints... Hi Roland, The best estimator for range on conversions that I have seen is a simple rule of thumb based on the original vehicle. Figure that

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2014-07-31 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
e calculator that can be use? > >Roland > - Original Message ----- > From: Lee Hart via EV<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] L

Re: [EVDL] Lithium battery setpoints...

2014-07-31 Thread Roland via EV
or is there another range calculator that can be use? Roland - Original Message - From: Lee Hart via EV<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lithium

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2014-07-31 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Excellent Lee, thanks. I am not arguing, just speculating - I bet if you tighten the first time until the resistance drops no more, then dis and re assemble the same joint again, tighten until the resistance stops dropping- you will get a different final resistance and a different final torque.

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2014-07-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Michael Ross wrote: In air, aluminum oxide forms nearly instantly. Therefore, sanding is a useless activity, if the goal is to remove aluminum oxide... You're right; aluminum oxide forms very quickly. However, the longer it is exposed to air, the thicker the insulating layer gets. So cleaning

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2014-07-31 Thread Michael Ross via EV
xim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info > Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 > > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross > via EV > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:26 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion L

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2014-07-31 Thread Jukka Järvinen via EV
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2014-07-30 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross via EV Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:26 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lithium battery setpoints... In air, aluminum

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2014-07-30 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
The fact is "spell checker" doesn't know the difference between the metal silicon and the compound silicone (naturally found in pork fat). But, often synthesised. I am going to take a vacation from making any replies to the EVDL for a few weeks. I believe in the friendly attitude we had here on th

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2014-07-30 Thread Al via EV
uly 29, 2014 7:43 PM Subject: [EVDL] Lithium battery setpoints... I am programming the BMS, and am wondering what opinions people have on the sepoints for the BMS, specifically for discharging. 24 CALB cells, 100AH, Alltrax 450 controller, DC6.7" motor, 1973 VW bug. Elithion L

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2014-07-30 Thread Michael Ross via EV
In air, aluminum oxide forms nearly instantly. You have never seen pure aluminum, because it does not exist where a human can stay alive to view it. Therefore, sanding is a useless activity, if the goal is to remove aluminum oxide. You can do it, but you can't stop it from reforming. I suppose

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2014-07-30 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 30 Jul 2014 at 17:05, Dennis Miles via EV wrote: > Silicone dioxide is glass, and aluminum oxide is clay, which when > heated becomes ceramic, for example... Maybe it's splitting hairs, but (even though I took freshman chem a LONG time ago) I don't know that I'd say "aluminum oxide is clay."

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2014-07-30 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Dennis Miles via EV wrote: Bill, You are right copper oxide is a "Semi-conductor," and it was used in battery chargers 100 years ago, as rectifiers. But whereas I was a bit strong in calling it an insulator, As it passes current in only one direction, I would not call it a very good conductor eit

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2014-07-30 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
Bill, You are right copper oxide is a "Semi-conductor," and it was used in battery chargers 100 years ago, as rectifiers. But whereas I was a bit strong in calling it an insulator, As it passes current in only one direction, I would not call it a very good conductor either. In my experience only go

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2014-07-30 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Copper oxide is a semi-conductor. It basically conducts electricity pretty well, which is why copper electrical joints don't need any special treatment (as opposed to aluminum.) http://www.jstor.org/stable/99170 Bill D. At 03:05 PM 7/30/2014, you wrote: Remember iron oxide, aluminum oxide, c

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2014-07-30 Thread Bill Dube via EV
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2014-07-30 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
Remember iron oxide, aluminum oxide, copper oxide, zinc oxide, (And most oxides ) are very good insulators. Silicone dioxide is glass, and aluminum oxide is clay, which when heated becomes ceramic, for example... Dennis Lee Miles (*evprofes...@evprofessor.com )* * Founder:**EV Tech. Institut

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2014-07-30 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Sean Korb via EV wrote: Is this (softball question here) because the aluminum terminals start to oxidize in the atmosphere and the sandpaper takes that light (but very tough and durable) corrosion off? This corrosion would add significant resistance to the battery terminals. Right in one! :-)

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2014-07-30 Thread Sean Korb via EV
Is this (softball question here) because the aluminum terminals start to oxidize in the atmosphere and the sandpaper takes that light (but very tough and durable) corrosion off? This corrosion would add significant resistance to the battery terminals. sean On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Bill

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2014-07-29 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Almost forgot. If you didn't lightly sand the cell terminals and coat with thin film of NoAlOx, then you need to do that now. Yes, doing this is a pain in the butt, especally after it is all put together, but it must be done to get good, low-resistance, reliable, connections on the cell termin

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2014-07-29 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Definitely allow the pack to balance for awhile. Particularly fresh from the factory. Check them all with a voltmeter, not just with the BMS. You want to be sure that everything is connected right and is working 100% properly. Trust, but verify. Do this before and after the first few test runs.

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2014-07-29 Thread Denis Boutet via EV
Hello Zeke You must first make sure cells are well in balance by some sort of equalization procedure which involve shunting current from higher voltage cells to the others. Charger is cutoff when a cell reaches above a max set voltage, like 3,65V for example on my Ranger EV. Does your BMS mon

[EVDL] Lithium battery setpoints...

2014-07-29 Thread Zeke Yewdall via EV
I am programming the BMS, and am wondering what opinions people have on the sepoints for the BMS, specifically for discharging. 24 CALB cells, 100AH, Alltrax 450 controller, DC6.7" motor, 1973 VW bug. Elithion Lithiumate Lite BMS. I did the first serious road test this morning, Default settting