itial construction and
especially repairs would be more than is politically affordable. The
Highway Trust Fund is pretty tapped out now.
Cal Frye
> *From:* Jack Wendel via EV
> *Date:* August 28, 2016 at 7:13 PM
> *To:* Cor van de Water , Electric Vehicle
> Discussion List
> *S
>
> Jack,
> In your previous response, you clearly stated that you try to harvest
> free energy, no change in the speed of forward moment of the vehicle,
> but magically you expect it to generate electricity without losing
> energy. That is the very definition of a perpetuum mobile.
>
I clearly di
Sorry, I missed his reference then. I was thinking second law of motion.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Jan Steinman wrote:
>
> Don’t know what Newton has to do with the laws of thermodynamics, which were
> developed by Carnot (et. al.) in the 19th century.
>
>> On 2016-
Don’t know what Newton has to do with the laws of thermodynamics, which were
developed by Carnot (et. al.) in the 19th century.
> On 2016-08-28, at 05:38, paul dove wrote:
>
> n formulating his three laws, Newton simplified his treatment of massive
> bodies by considering them to be mathematic
n formulating his three laws, Newton simplified his treatment of massive bodies
by considering them to be mathematical points with no size or rotation. This
allowed him to ignore factors such as friction, air resistance, temperature,
material properties, etc., and concentrate on phenomena that c
Subject: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in
Burbank-CA(?)
>
> Oh dear. Someone went and repealed the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
>
> Jan Steinman
> EcoReality Co-op, http://www.EcoReality.org
> 2152 Fulford-Ganges Road
> Salt Sp
Oh dear. Someone went and repealed the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Jan Steinman
EcoReality Co-op, http://www.EcoReality.org
2152 Fulford-Ganges Road
Salt Spring Island, BC V8K 1Z7 CANADA
+1 250.653.2024
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>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 6:58 PM
>> To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in
> Burbank-
>> CA(?)
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>>
>
ill have <= the
"squishiness" of a traditional roadbed.
Peri
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From: "via EV"
To: "Rush Dougherty"
Cc: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
Sent: 27-Aug-16 2:47:12 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge
Force = mass * acceleration due to gravity
Work = force * distance
So the work required to raise and object a specified distance is the same
amount of work retrieved when that object is returned to its original location.
If the object remains in the raised position, it contains potential ener
-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)
Date: 8/26/16, 6:58 PM
> I think you've forgotten about a little pesky thing called gravity... and
> while
> the distances maybe similar, the energy needed to get the 'vehicle' back up
> to
; From: jackinausti...@gmail.com [mailto:jackinausti...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 6:58 PM
> To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in
Burbank-
> CA(?)
>
>
> > I think you&
of freeway could charge all the
EVs in Burbank-CA(?)
> You described a perpetuum mobile machine.
No, I'm not. The energy is supplied by an outside source and is energy
that would otherwise be wasted. Not "free" energy as in a "perpetuum
mobile machine". But no point
> I think you've forgotten about a little pesky thing called gravity... and
> while
> the distances maybe similar, the energy needed to get the 'vehicle' back up to
> the same level, the rise, is more than the energy gained on the fall.
Best check your physics Rush. That same resistance to risi
> You described a perpetuum mobile machine.
No, I'm not. The energy is supplied by an outside source and is energy that
would otherwise be wasted. Not "free" energy as in a "perpetuum mobile
machine". But no point in bothering with details when summarily dismissing new
ideas and approaches.
Jack wrote -
> -Original Message-
>Since the uphill and downhill distances are
> the same, there is no net loss as compared to the surface that did not change
inclination.
> And the rise and fall of both the near end and the far end cause a similar
energy output
I think you've forgotten a
prohibited.
From: jackinausti...@gmail.com [mailto:jackinausti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:48 PM
To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the
EVs in Burbank-CA(?)
Take an inflexible beam (no suc
Take an inflexible beam (no such thing, even if made of concrete) simply
supported at each end. Put a piezo device at each support end. A wheel rolls
over the support at the near end. Let's say your example is correct and the
surface lowers, causing the vehicle to roll up an incline. The incline
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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 2:17 PM
To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the
EVs in Burbank-CA(?)
Cor wrote:
The laws of energy conserva
>
> Cor wrote:
The laws of energy conservation are simple, in order to extract energy
> you have to take it somewhere.
>
> No matter that the road already flexes, to take additional energy you
> will need to either allow it to flex more
>
That simply isn't true. The road is currently flexing and
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But Cor, this isn't about increasing the flex in the road, this is about
capturing the energy already being lost to heat to the ground. It might
even reduce the existing flex
There is a big difference between the people of Tokyo walking on a
Piezoelectric walkway to light a sign versus running an electric train
between stations. I am more apt to walk to charge my cell phone with
piezoelectric elements built into my shoes but not to charge my EV. If
that were true,
Vehicle Discussion List" CC: brucedp5
, "ev@lists.evdl.org" Subject:
Re[2]: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in
Burbank-CA(?) Date: 8/26/16, 8:59 AM
Good information. The one big thing missing is a requirement of a maximum
rolling resistance. If th
less) with piezos.
Peri
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> Sent: 26-Aug-16 8:30:24 AM
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>> The funding is part of CEC's EPIC prog
GFO-16-302/00_Update_Two_Phase_Solicitation_Manual_for_CGL.docx
>>
>>
>>
>> The technology assessment from 2013-2014 can also be found on the CEC site.
>>
>>
>> Sent from AltaMail
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>>> From: Peri Hartman via EV To: bruc
>
> If these are the essential specs, I'd submit a bid to build a squishy
> highway and easily meet the other requirements :)
The roads are already "squishy" enough. As was posted "roads already flex
when vehicles drive over them". Almost everything flexes when a load is put
on it. We used piezoe
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Sent: 26-Aug-16 8:30:24 AM
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The funding is part of CEC's EPIC
GFO-16-302/00_Update_Two_Phase_Solicitation_Manual_for_CGL.docx
The technology assessment from 2013-2014 can also be found on the CEC site.
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, ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power>
10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?) Date:
e rolling resistance of asphalt
is being traded for that of piezoelectrics.
Peri
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