[EVDL] EVLN: $35k Musk vs GM aura-race build the 1st mass-marketed 200mi EV

2014-08-29 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://qz.com/252990/the-story-of-elon-musk-and-gms-race-to-build-the-first-mass-market-electric-car/ The story of Elon Musk and GM’s race to build the first mass-market electric car by Steve LeVine [20140824] [images http://img.qz.com/2014/08/tesla-factory.jpg Tesla factory - The next ones

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
Now the dust has settled somewhat, does anyone has the insider knowledge of why Tesla abandoned the 40kWh pack and why, more interestingly, it didn't come with a supercharger option? I still think it would have a market, particularly in Asia and Europe where shorter average journeys are the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
I can understand all the issues people have raised on this thread. The simple fact is that hardly any of the Renault range is selling. As a long term EVer, I would not be swayed by the battery lease idea unless it was very cheap - $10/month or so. I have sufficient faith in the battery tech

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2014 Mitsubishi MiEV Bargain basement EV

2014-08-29 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
Gosh, that's interesting! The VW e-up! is out-selling the BMW i3! MW On 29 Aug 2014, at 00:41, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Since when has the MiEV sold more units than the Leaf? Never according to: http://evobsession.com/world-electrified-vehicle-sales-2013/ #1 is

Re: [EVDL] DC2DC times 2

2014-08-29 Thread Russ Sciville via EV
Hi Buddy, Why not run your heaters from the main pack voltage rather than changing the voltage twice. I use 2kW 220vac ceramic heater cores taken out of cheap fan heaters. They are about 4 square and supposedly very safe as the resistance rises with temperature so they never reach an unsafe

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 08/29/2014 03:36 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV wrote: Now the dust has settled somewhat, does anyone has the insider knowledge of why Tesla abandoned the 40kWh pack and why, more interestingly, it didn't come with a supercharger option? I still think it would have a market, particularly in Asia

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
Why make an effort to sell lower priced 40kwh cars? - Right now, I agree, but ... because, as I previously stated, in Europe and much of Asia, long distance is not the issue, it's car cost and range anxiety. If you can sell a car for $10k less without the buyer having to worry about range

Re: [EVDL] DC2DC times 2

2014-08-29 Thread Buddy Mills via EV
Thanks Cor, That is exactly what I needed. Buddy -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via EV Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 1:48 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] DC2DC times 2 Buddy, You can use one of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2014 Mitsubishi MiEV Bargain basement EV

2014-08-29 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
That report is 2013 before the i3 even wnet on sale. -Original Message- From: Martin WINLOW [mailto:m...@winlow.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 5:54 AM To: Robert Bruninga; EVDL Post Message Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2014 Mitsubishi MiEV Bargain basement EV Gosh, that's interesting!

Re: [EVDL] DC2DC times 2

2014-08-29 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Seems like a very inefficienct system. If you want heat, just run resistance heat directly from the EV voltage. That is 100% efficient and costs nothing in complexity. Just series whatever number of 120v heater elements in series is needed to reach the pack voltage. And of course switch to DC

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
in Europe... Asia, long distance is not the issue, it's car cost and range anxiety. If you can sell a car for $10k less without the buyer having to worry about range anxiety (because there is a good rapid charge infrastructure...) then you'll sell more cars. The goal is not to just sell

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 08/29/2014 08:38 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: The goal is to stop burning fossil fuel for everyday local commuting which can be done better/cheaper/and more conveniently (never having to refuel) in an EV. [as long as it is plugged in overnight (or at work) while parked]. EV's CHARGE

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread David Nelson via EV
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Now the dust has settled somewhat, does anyone has the insider knowledge of why Tesla abandoned the 40kWh pack and why, more interestingly, it didn't come with a supercharger option? I remember reading some time

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 29 Aug 2014 at 9:38, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: We need to stop focusing on range (and public charging). Focus on educating drivers of the EV value-promise. Maybe I'm just seeing this with older eyes than you are, but it seems to me that we've been trying to do just that for nearly a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Fri Aug 29 15:03:02 PDT 2014 ev@lists.evdl.org said: I think one could argue that if you take a 100 mile trip once every 6 weeks, an EV for everything else might work. Renting once every 6 weeks would be reasonable, perhaps. However, aside from the Tesla, 100 mile trips aren't possible. More

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Yes. Rental companies have those type of agreements - you get a key fob or something like that and can reserve a car online and minutes later go pick it up. Also, there's flex car and car-2-go. Peri -- Original Message -- From: John Lussmyer cou...@casadelgato.com To: Electric

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Jamie K via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
85% of driven trip miles were under 39 miles. Also, 99% of driven trip miles were less than 100 miles , leaving only 1% of trip miles being over 100 miles. Less than one percent of trips are over 100 miles. That suggests that three trips per year are over 100 miles. Not having the original