Re: [EVDL] Golfboard - a Lithium-Ion battery powered all-wheel drive "skateboard" for golfers

2015-04-23 Thread ralph bagwell via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Golfboard - a Lithium-Ion battery powered all-wheel drive "skateboard" for golfers

2015-04-23 Thread brucedp5 via EV
golfboard.com -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Golfboard-a-Lithium-Ion-battery-powered-all-wheel-drive-skateboard-for-golfers-tp4675061p4675063.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _

[EVDL] golfboard.com > e-Surf the Earth

2015-04-23 Thread brucedp5 via EV
[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Golfboard-a-Lithium-Ion-battery-powered-all-wheel-drive-skateboard-for-golfers-tp4675061.html Golfboard - a Lithium-Ion battery powered all-wheel drive "skateboard" for golfers ] In one video it looks like a lot of fun but clearly

[EVDL] Ryan Reynolds is 'dangerously eco' about electric cars

2015-04-23 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/entertainment/parade/parade_entertainment/how-is-blake-lively-helping-save-the-earth/article_39772fc2-3052-5256-9ccb-944f5782addb.html How is Blake Lively Helping Save the Earth? April 17, 2015 [image http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editori

[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-S EV vs Audi R8 V10 ice Drag race

2015-04-23 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://motoring.iafrica.com/features/989994.html Drag race! Tesla Model S vs Audi R8 V10 15 Apr 2015 [image http://motoring.iafrica.com/assets/13/3737/296180/_original A still image of the Tesla Model S P85D video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrUskqXAUww Tesla Model S P85D vs Audi R8 5.2

[EVDL] EVLN: Are EVs A Good Choice For Teenage Drivers?

2015-04-23 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/04/16/electric-vehicles-best-choice-teenage-drivers/ Are Electric Vehicles The Best Choice For Teenage Drivers? April 16th, 2015 by James Ayre % Spark EV prices have been cut> good EV choice as well % [image] Nissan LEAF Image Credit: Nissan Are electric vehicles

[EVDL] EVLN: EZ-Wheel all-n-1 e-wheel is packaging triumph

2015-04-23 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/design/power/powered-wheel-packaging-triumph-2015-04/ Powered wheel is packaging triumph steve bush 23rd April 2015 [images http://static.electronicsweekly.com/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2015/04/EZ-Wheel.jpg EZ-Wheel http://static.electronicsweekly.

[EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Earlier today, I got an email from Toyota promoting their Fool Cell vehicle (with no reply address). So I went to the Toyota web site and found the CONTACT link and filled out an on-line email telling them to stop throwing good money after bad in last years ideas (Fool cells) and to come out with

[EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
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[EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's "bull$$it"

2015-04-23 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
You should also watch Toyota's new video which says the car can run on Elon Musk's "bull$$it "comments and show how they can take cow manure, and process it to hydrogen.. all they have to do is add "steam and heat". DUH, No mention of what fossil fuel they are using to get that steam and heat? ht

Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Mr23 via EV
Bob, thanks for writing in about your effort and the response. It spurred me into action, I went there and submitted my thoughts on the Prius (I have an '02, and on the newest models), but more so on the FCV vs BEV debate. Perhaps many of us could sway them, eventually. Thanks again, -Chris On

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
I have the impression that no matter how hard we argue here until we are blue in the face (and it will edify some and give a solid background about *why* they are called fool cells) it will not sway much of the compliance car that Toyota is building (or the battery swap that Tesla is doing), si

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Yep. Better education is the key. Eventually people will wise up to the taxes, aka subsidies, needed to support a fuel cell auto industry when they start wondering where their tax payments are going. Education will shorten that time. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Cor van de Wa

Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > > Um...why not just use that methane as is? I mean, we already do -- every > vehicle with a "CNG" or "LNG" sticker on it is burning methane. To reduce air pollution. That's why CARB adopted the ZEV mandate. _

Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
I think Ben's question still has merit, though. If you start with methane and take it down two paths, what is the difference in emissions and efficiency? The first path is burning the methane in an ICE. The second path is converting the methane to hydrogen and using it in a fuel cell. It see

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Apr 2015 at 1:08, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Eventually people will wise up to the taxes, aka subsidies, needed to > support a fuel cell auto industry when they start wondering where > their tax payments are going. Education will shorten that time. Watch out, that's a sharp two-edged sw

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Jorg Brown via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I'm not so sure FCVs are an ally to EVs. Whether FCVs go away on their own or not, to build the infrastructure will cost billions and then billions more of subsidies to generate hydrogen at a competitive price. Once that infrastructure exists, it is a beast, not an ally

Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sure, that question has merit. I only answered his first question. But the emissions I was particularly referring to were combustion emissions at the tailpipe...not CO2 emissions, which certainly are of relevance. But when the ZEV standards were adopted, the driver was nonattainment criteria po