Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 8, 2014, at 8:57 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A gps based system could report only total miles traveled to protect those concerned with others knowing where they drive. Could it? Sure, in theory. Would it? In this day and age? Who're you trying to kid? *You* may be fine

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-08 Thread tomw via EV
/There's another aspect to this: how is the government to know how many in-state miles you've driven? The only feasible way is with GPS trackers in every car, something horrifically unconscionable. / I don't see what is so horrific about this. A gps based system could report only total miles

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 7 Nov 2014 at 2:07, brucedp5 via EV wrote: Why the push to another way to pay? Gas use has declined steadily since 2005 as fuel-efficient and alternative energy cars have flourished. Right, so let's discourage that. Great. I see this sort of notion and have to conclude that the US has the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Not really! The government must collect taxes to pay for roads. Previously it was done by taxing fuel. You can tax electricity to pay for roads because how would you know which part went into the vehicle. So they have to devise another way Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:36 AM, EVDL

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Cal Frye via EV
And it can be argued that the purchase subsidy is already recompense for the relief EVs bring to pollution controls and the like. Whether such things should be paid for with user fees or more progressive forms of taxation is a discussion for a whole different forum ;-) - Cal Frye Paul Dove via

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
On 11/07/2014 10:50 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: Not really! The government must collect taxes to pay for roads. Previously it was done by taxing fuel. You can tax electricity to pay for roads because how would you know which part went into the vehicle. So they have to devise another way The

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Paul Dove via EV wrote: Not really! The government must collect taxes to pay for roads. Previously it was done by taxing fuel. I don't think any reasonable person objects to paying taxes to support our highway infrastructure. But the *way* it's being done with ICEs vs. EVs violates people's

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
The fair answer is simple. Currently EV's get a free ride on the roads but gas cars get a free ride on the environmental damage they cause. This disparity should be eliminated ON BOTH SIDES. That is, for every dollar of road tax you add to the EV, add the same Dollar to the gas tax for the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 7 Nov 2014 at 13:15, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Currently EV's get a free ride on the roads but gas cars get a free ride on the environmental damage they cause. This is the point I was trying to make when I said by taking better care of the environment, EV drivers are SAVING [the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
Coming soon. More stuff we need to discourage, because in some way it reduces tax revenues * high recycle households. * healthy people. * gardeners * wells and septic tanks * solar panels * bicyclers

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Winiarski via EV wrote: Coming soon. More stuff we need to discourage, because in some way it reduces tax revenues Thanks for my laugh of the day, Lawrence! :-) It reminds me of A Christmas Car, a parody of Dickens' A Christmas Carol I wrote years ago.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Ben wrote - Put simply, the government has no business knowing how much I drive where and when. So I guess you take the battery out of your cellphone when you're driving... Rush Tucson AZ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
And don't forget plug-in Hybrids. They can go on out of state or in state, use gasoline (and pay gas tax), use electricity (and potentially be taxed via odometer also, resulting in doubly taxed, no taxed or any combination therein. Not really! The government must collect taxes to pay