That's very nice.i like traveling around town, and going on 1,100 mile trips
and longer.more power to you.
where do you refuel on long trips?
On Friday, December 28, 2018, 1:04:37 AM EST, Mark Abramowitz via EV
wrote:
Sorry if didn’t think my comments positive, though maybe it’s just
Willie, The Las Vegas Water District had a hydrogen fuel cell project
and you must know that aliens have already landed near us in Area 51.
You may have inadvertently discerned the connection.
On 12/27/2018 5:24 PM, Willie via EV wrote:
Well.. I thought Mark had some positive comment
On 28 Dec 2018 at 1:49, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> So, wasting untold millions in developing a new answer which is *proven* to be
> much worse deal all around, is silly and a boondoggle. I have no clue how you
> can't see that...
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when
On 12/28/18 3:49 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
Without subsidies and a nearby H2 filling station, you would not be driving
fuel cell vehicles.
And besides, nobody claims H2 does not work.
Pardon me, Cor. I should have said "work competitively".
On Dec 27, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Willie
ted to cost more
> than $1,500...
>
> I think it's safe to say that, so far, we do not have any evidence that
> technology will exist for efficiently producing hydrogen from non fossil
> fuel sources.
>
> Peri
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
Sorry if didn’t think my comments positive, though maybe it’s just not what you
wanted to hear.
If you just want to know whether hydrogen “works”, that’s easy. My family is a
primary source
Sorry if didn’t think my comments positive, though maybe it’s just not what you
wanted to hear.
If you just want to know whether hydrogen “works”, that’s easy. My family is a
primary source on that. We have three fuel cell electric cars in the family.
We get where we want to go.
But maybe
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"Alien
invaders could be landing tomorrow. Maybe they will tell us how to make
hydrogen work."In our current situation of the shutdown, I'm sure aliens could
explain how this works and receive strong support!
On Thursday, December 27, 2018 08:24:55 PM EST, Willie via
EV
On 12/27/18 6:59 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Mark, thanks for the reference. I just read the article
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/automotive-and-assembly/our-insights/hydrogen-the-next-wave-for-electric-vehicles
Well.. I thought Mark had some positive comment to make. I
title, author(s), pub date, and include the summary and
snips of any relevant findings that address your claim? That would help.
Peri
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Cc: "Mark Abramowitz&q
ant findings that address your claim? That would help.
>
> Peri
>
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> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV"
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> Cc: "Mark Abramowitz"
> Sent: 27-Dec-18 10:51:45 AM
>
From what I’ve been told, it looked at the cost of complete battery
electrification vs. complete electrification with hydrogen.
Now, in my view either one would be unwise, but that comparison seems to offer
a good look at costs at scale.
- Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> On
ark Abramowitz"
Sent: 27-Dec-18 10:51:45 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
Hi Willie,
Apparently there was a study in 2011 and another in 2017 by McKinsey & Co.
The 2017 study was the subject of an article in November, 2017 in the
publication “Automotive and
Hi Willie,
Apparently there was a study in 2011 and another in 2017 by McKinsey & Co.
The 2017 study was the subject of an article in November, 2017 in the
publication “Automotive and Assembly”. I was just sent a copy of it, but am not
sure that attachments can be posted to this list.
I was
all of us will have this
ability.
Peri
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Cc: "EVDL Administrator"
Sent: 27-Dec-18 7:39:15 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
>On 26 Dec
will have this
ability.
Peri
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Cc: "EVDL Administrator"
Sent: 27-Dec-18 7:39:15 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
>On 26 Dec 2018 at 17:02, Mark
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On 26 Dec 2018 at 17:02, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Probably a hydrogen industry claim (or a sponsored claim - sponsorships can be
buried fairly deep).
Kind of like cigarette manufacturers 50 years ago paying doctors, dentists, and
nurses to say cigarettes were good for your health - sequere pecuniam.
> On Dec 26, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Willie
On 26 Dec 2018 at 17:02, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> But when you look at costs at scale, I understand a recent study showed
> hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1.
Cheaper than what?
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator
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On 12/26/18 7:02 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Certainly good points about infrastructure. But when you look at costs at
scale, I understand a recent study showed hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1.
That astonishing claim DEMANDS a citation.
"To have a large number of businesses supporting an unknown technology makes
me suspicious." That is the best explanation for hydrogen.
On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 08:07:43 PM EST, Mark
Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Certainly good points about infrastructure. But
Certainly good points about infrastructure. But when you look at costs at
scale, I understand a recent study showed hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1.
- Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> On Dec 26, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>
> To be clear, I find fuel cells
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