Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 16-avr.-05, à 02:45, Saibal Mitra a écrit : Both the suicide and copying thought experiments have convinced me that the notion of a conditional probability is fundamentally flawed. It can be defined under ''normal'' circumstances but it will break down precisely when considering copying or

Re: Free Will Theorem

2005-05-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, Le 27-avr.-05, à 16:17, John M a écrit : again a post from you with your wits. I will post my reply (if I get the relevant points from Russell and - if I can - ) onlist. However your expression: ... I think we can progress only by understanding misunderstandings ... (what I assume as

Re: parallel universes

2005-05-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 18-avr.-05, à 04:13, printmodel a écrit : Well, I was elaborating on Bruno's statement that worlds (maximal consistent set of propositions) of a FS are not computable; that even given infinite resources (ie. infinite time) it is not possible to generate a complete world. This suggests to me

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-05-03 Thread Russell Standish
I wasn't aware this thread had fallen off the list. I will make sure this post goes through... On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 10:26:47AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Russell, Of course I disagree. I can explain later. But is it not better to discuss this on line? If it is ok for you, just

RE: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Saibal, Does your conclusion about conditional probability also apply to complex-valued probabilities a la Youssef? http://physics.bu.edu/~youssef/quantum/quantum_refs.html http://www.goertzel.org/papers/ChaoQM.htm -- Ben Goertzel -Original Message-From: Bruno Marchal

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2 weeks ago Saibal Mitra wrote: I don't think that the MW immortality is correct at all! In a certain sense we are immortal, because the enseble of all possible worlds is a fixed static entity. So, you ''always'' find yourselve alive in one state or another. However, you won't experience

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-05-03 Thread aet.radal ssg
I just realized that "MWI" in the discussion meant "many worlds immortality" not the standard "many worlds interpretation".I don't have a lot time to sift through the discussions, soI missed that point.I don't buy "MW Immortality " in that case, so it hasn't had any effect on my worldview at all.

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-03 Thread Russell Standish
On this list, we seem to have two fairly clear camps: those who identify observer moments as the fundamental concept, and those who regard relationships between observer moments with equal ontological status. With my TIME postulate, I say that a conscious observer necessarily experiences a

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-05-03 Thread Mark Fancey
Actually, when I asked the question I was referring to the interpretation not the immortality. I thought QTI was being used for that. Mark On 5/3/05, aet.radal ssg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just realized that MWI in the discussion meant many worlds immortality not the standard many worlds