Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a "dimension"

2005-07-13 Thread James N Rose
Yes, you are definitely a conventional thinker Chris. The challenging point of view I express goes beyond the obvious qualia -differences- of space relative to time, and instead identifies certain similarities, that in turn identify how quantum mechanics and classical relativity can be unified.

RE: is induction unformalizable?

2005-07-13 Thread Ben Goertzel
I agree that   " As S goes to infinity, the AI's probability would converge to 0, whereas the human's would converge to some positive constant. "   but this doesn't mean induction is unformalizable, it just means that the formalization of cognitive-science induction in terms of algorithmic

Re: is induction unformalizable?

2005-07-13 Thread Wei Dai
>> Correct me if wrong, but isn't the halting problem only>> undecidable when the length of the program is unbounded? Wouldn't the AI assign non-zero>> probability to a machine that solved the halting problem for>> programs up to size S? (S is the number of stars in the sky, grains of sand,>

RE: is induction unformalizable?

2005-07-13 Thread Ben Goertzel
  Wei,   I forwarded your post to a few of my colleagues, and one of them (Moshe Looks) replied with basically the same solution as I already posted here, but in different words...   Here is his reply...   -- Ben   > Correct me if wrong, but isn't the halting problem only > undecidable

RE: is induction unformalizable?

2005-07-13 Thread Ben Goertzel
Wei,   Isn't the moral of this story that, to any finite mind with algorithmic information I, "uncomputable" is effectively synonymous with "uncomputable within resources I"?   Thus, from the perspective of a finite mind M,   A = P( X is uncomputable)   should be equal to   B = P(X is unc

is induction unformalizable?

2005-07-13 Thread Wei Dai
One day, Earth is contacted by a highly advanced alien civilization, and they tell us that contrary to what most of us think is likely, not all of the fundamental physical laws of our universe are computable. Furthermore, they claim to be able to manufacture black boxes that work as oracles

RE: The Time Deniers

2005-07-13 Thread "Hal Finney"
Jesse Mazer writes: > I've sometimes thought that if uploads are ever created, and can be run in a > simulation with time-reversible fundamental laws, it would be very > interesting to take a snapshot at the end of a simulation and do the trick > of reversing everything, but with a tiny perturba

RE: The Time Deniers

2005-07-13 Thread Jesse Mazer
Hal Finney wrote: > True, it isn't always necessary to compute things in the same order--if > you're simulating a system that obeys time-symmetric laws you can always > reverse all the time-dependent quantities (like the momentum of each > particle) in the final state and use that as an initial

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a "dimension"

2005-07-13 Thread Jesse Mazer
chris peck wrote: Hi Jesse; we can just understand it in terms of our brains having different memories and anticipations of the future at different points along our worldline. I think that is necessary for an understanding of time, but insufficient. What governs which set of memories and a

RE: The Time Deniers

2005-07-13 Thread "Hal Finney"
> True, it isn't always necessary to compute things in the same order--if > you're simulating a system that obeys time-symmetric laws you can always > reverse all the time-dependent quantities (like the momentum of each > particle) in the final state and use that as an initial state for a new

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a "dimension"

2005-07-13 Thread Jesse Mazer
chris peck wrote: Im fairly sure you are attacking a straw man. We can just say that 'now' races towards the future rather than the opposite without us exerting any effort, whilst 'here' doesnt really move at all. Especially for a rock. At least the a priori notions of each spatial dimension d

RE: The Time Deniers

2005-07-13 Thread Jesse Mazer
Hal Finney wrote: Jesse Mazer writes: > Hal Finney wrote: > >I imagine that multiple universes could exist, a la Schmidhuber's ensemble > >or Tegmark's level 4 multiverse. Time does not play a special role in > >the descriptions of these universes. > > Doesn't Schmidhuber consider only univer

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a "dimension"

2005-07-13 Thread chris peck
Hi James; You unfortunatly are making the same fatal-flaw mistake that all conventional thinkers I hope i am a 'conventional thinker'. It gives me reason to think im onto something, that ive got something right. That seems to be how things become conventional. spatial. You and all .. con

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a "dimension"

2005-07-13 Thread Stephen Paul King
Esteemed Prof. Standish, Thank you for that correction. ;-) But you are missing the point that I am trying to make here! :_( - Original Message - From: "Russell Standish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Stephen Paul King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: ; "Lee Corbin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: W

Stathis, Lee and the "NEAR DEATH LOGIC"

2005-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi, In this post I will try to make clearer my argument with Lee by using a minimal amount of modal logic (and so it's good "revision" ;) Then I will explain how Stathis seems to have (re)discovered, in its "DEATH" thread, what I call sometime "The Smallest Theory of Life and Death", or "Nea

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a "dimension"

2005-07-13 Thread James N Rose
Chris, You unfortunatly are making the same fatal-flaw mistake that all conventional thinkers -even the outside the box inventive ones- continue to make: you cannot identify, distinguish, specify or apply - complete non-Abelian, non-commutative aspects to considerations of 'dimensions' - whether

Re: Quantum Suicide Bombing

2005-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 13-juil.-05, à 01:01, Charles Goodwin a écrit : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Fabric-of- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Corbin I don't know what you even *mean* by "QS does not reduce the number of worlds you experience", unless you mean that nothing that I can do affects the number

Re: The Time Deniers and the idea of time as a "dimension"

2005-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 13-juil.-05, à 06:02, Russell Standish a écrit : Complex numbers indeed do not have an ordering (being basically points on a plane) So you pretend the axiom of choice is false. It is easy to build an ordering of the complex numbers through it. There is no ordering *which satisfies

Re: Quantum Suicide Bombing

2005-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 09-juil.-05, à 16:09, David Deutsch a écrit : On 8 Jul 2005, at 11:25am, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now - what should be done about the presentation of this concep of "Quantum Suicide Bombing"? By the way: The discussion is *not* about the validity of many worlds inte