Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/7/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why wouldn't the *whole* of such a Plenitude be truly superfluous to any reality? According to Bruno's recursion theory argument, most of the stuff in the Plenitude is useless junk. *Someone* (somebody bigger that you or I ;) has to decide what

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-07 Thread Russell Standish
So are sets of cardinality \aleph_2 or sets of cardinality \aleph_{\aleph_0}. On the other hand, one set of cardinality 2^\aleph_0 appears to be big enough to explain all of observed reality. Maybe Tegmarkism is going too far... On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:19:03AM +0330, Mohsen Ravanbakhsh

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/7/07, Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Caylor wrote: I agree with the Russell quote as it stands. Unendingness is not what gives meaning. The source of meaning is not living forever in time (contrary to the trans-humanists) but is timeless. However, the quote makes a bad

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/7/07, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/7/07, Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Caylor wrote: I agree with the Russell quote as it stands. Unendingness is not what gives meaning. The source of meaning is not living forever in time (contrary to the

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks to Russell and Stathis

2007-03-07 Thread Mark Peaty
Firstly a big thank you to Russell Standish for providing that incredibly succinct 'bit stream' summary of universal-dovetailer ontology. [Though only a vocational mathematician would seriously call it 'very simple' even if it does have less than 1% of Bruno's word count for his essay on the

RE: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-07 Thread Danny Mayes
If you assume an ensemble theory, whether it be an infinite MWI or Bruno's UD in the plenitude, is it POSSIBLE to avoid God? For the purposes of this question I'll define God as an entity capable of creating everything that would be observed to exist in a (all possible) quantum mechanical

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-07 Thread Russell Standish
If the answer is yes the whole debate over God seems to become a silly argument over semantics. Danny Mayes A *lot* of the debate over God seems to be a silly argument over semantics. When people ask me if I believe in God, I sometimes ask What precisely do you mean by 'God'?. But only

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/8/07, Danny Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you assume an ensemble theory, whether it be an infinite MWI or Bruno's UD in the plenitude, is it POSSIBLE to avoid God? For the purposes of this question I'll define God as an entity capable of creating everything that would be observed

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks to Russell and Stathis

2007-03-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/8/07, Mark Peaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NB: I hope that my imaginary destination in your speculation of possible post mortem exploits for my erstwhile sceptical soul is not a post-Freudian slip. I know that many of my contributions to this and other lists have lacked the erudite