Jack's partial brain paper

2010-03-16 Thread russell standish
I've been following the thread on Jack's partial brains paper, although I've been too busy to comment. I did get a moment to read the paper this evening, and I was abruptly stopped by a comment on page 2: On the second hypothesis [Sudden Disappearing Qualia], the replacement of a single neuron

Re: problem of size '10

2010-03-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 16 March 2010 05:51, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: The hypothesis is that it would have some effect, not necessarily that you would feel a little pain.  Maybe the effect is that a certain thought comes into your consciousness, I could have been really hurt if Even if you

Re: Health Care as a Human Right - Is Universal Health Care a Human Right?

2010-03-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 16 March 2010 01:39, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The problem is that right has no objective basis. It's like good or beauty: a concept made up by humans. The concepts of moon, rock, galaxies, and numbers, are also made by human, but they may relate to things no done by humans.

Re: Free will: Wrong entry.

2010-03-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Mar 2010, at 02:55, m.a. wrote: Bruno, Another plea for understanding. For clarity I will delete some questions from previous pages leaving only the ones that continue to puzzle me, in bold type. By computer I assume you're referring here to the arithmetical

Re: Health Care as a Human Right - Is Universal Health Care a Human Right?

2010-03-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 16 March 2010 02:45, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:        It should not matter what the particular need is. The same reasoning can be applied to Housing, Transportation, Food, Entertainment, etc. So long as some notion of need can be presented and accepted by some portion of

Re: Health Care as a Human Right - Is Universal Health Care a Human Right?

2010-03-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Mar 2010, at 12:59, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 16 March 2010 01:39, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The problem is that right has no objective basis. It's like good or beauty: a concept made up by humans. The concepts of moon, rock, galaxies, and numbers, are also made by

Re: Jack's partial brain paper

2010-03-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 16 March 2010 20:29, russell standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I've been following the thread on Jack's partial brains paper, although I've been too busy to comment. I did get a moment to read the paper this evening, and I was abruptly stopped by a comment on page 2: On the second

Re: Free will: Wrong entry.

2010-03-16 Thread m.a.
- Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Free will: Wrong entry. On 16 Mar 2010, at 02:55, m.a. wrote: Bruno How can there be indeterminacy in comp when there

Re: Health Care as a Human Right - Is Universal Health Care a Human Right?

2010-03-16 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/16/2010 4:59 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 16 March 2010 01:39, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: ... I may disagree. There is a quasi-universal reason for which health should be a public care, or at least a matter of making heathy people to provide the money. Why? Because if

Re: problem of size '10

2010-03-16 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/16/2010 4:35 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 16 March 2010 05:51, Brent Meekermeeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: The hypothesis is that it would have some effect, not necessarily that you would feel a little pain. Maybe the effect is that a certain thought comes into your

Re: Health Care as a Human Right - Is Universal Health Care a Human Right?

2010-03-16 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/16/2010 5:26 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 16 March 2010 02:45, Stephen P. Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote: It should not matter what the particular need is. The same reasoning can be applied to Housing, Transportation, Food, Entertainment, etc. So long as some notion of

Re: Free will: Wrong entry.

2010-03-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Mar 2010, at 16:17, m.a. wrote: By 3-determinacy I assume you mean 3rd person determinacy. Yes. It is the content of the diary of an experimenter, teleporting some rabbits or guinea pig, perhaps human. As opposed to the first person view, which is the one described by the rabbits,

Re: Jack's partial brain paper

2010-03-16 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/16/2010 6:03 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 16 March 2010 20:29, russell standishli...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I've been following the thread on Jack's partial brains paper, although I've been too busy to comment. I did get a moment to read the paper this evening, and I was abruptly

Re: Jack's partial brain paper

2010-03-16 Thread John Mikes
Stathis, I feel we are riding the human restrictive imaging in a complex nature. While I DO feel completely comfortable to say that there is a neuron through which connectivity is established to a next segment in our mental complexity, and if *that *neuron dies, the connectivity to that

Re: Jack's partial brain paper

2010-03-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Mar 2010, at 19:29, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/16/2010 6:03 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 16 March 2010 20:29, russell standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I've been following the thread on Jack's partial brains paper, although I've been too busy to comment. I did get a moment

Re: Jack's partial brain paper

2010-03-16 Thread L.W. Sterritt
Hi Gentlemen, Regarding Jack's partial brain paper, and Free will: Wrong entry: The IEEE Computational Intelligence Society, one of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers groups, publishes three journals: the IEEE Transactions on Neural Networks, the IEEE Transactions on