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2011-10-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, 2011/10/5 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com On Oct 4, 8:46 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/4/2011 5:15 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Oct 4, 2:59 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: This goes by the name causal completeness; the idea that the 3-p observable

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2011-10-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 5, 12:23 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/4/2011 8:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Oct 4, 8:46 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/4/2011 5:15 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Oct 4, 2:59 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: This goes by the name causal

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2011-10-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 5, 12:27 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: According to Craig, the 1-p influence (which is equivalent to an immaterial soul) is ubiquitous in living things, and possibly in other things as well. But he doesn't say what effect is has.  It could be anything and hence could

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2011-10-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2011/10/5 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com Consciousness happens. Physics has nothing to say about what the content of any particular brain's thoughts should be. If give you a book about Marxism then you will have

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2011-10-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2011/10/5 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2011/10/5 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com Consciousness happens. Physics has nothing to say about what the content of any particular brain's thoughts should be. If

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2011-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Oct 2011, at 02:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Oct 3, 11:16 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I don't think that there are any arithmetical beings. In which theory? In reality. That type of assertion is equivalent with because God say so. Reality is what we try to figure

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2011-10-05 Thread benjayk
meekerdb wrote: On 10/4/2011 1:44 PM, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: But then one 3-thing remains uncomputable, and undefined, namely the very foundation of computations. We can define computations in terms of numbers relations, and we can define number

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2011-10-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 5, 10:15 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: No they are not saying that. They are saying that a model of the brain fed with the same inputs as a real brain will act as the real brain... if it was not the case, the model would be wrong so you could not label it as a model of

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2011-10-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2011/10/5 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com On Oct 5, 10:15 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: No they are not saying that. They are saying that a model of the brain fed with the same inputs as a real brain will act as the real brain... if it was not the case, the model

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2011-10-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 5, 11:54 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/5 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com On Oct 5, 10:15 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: No they are not saying that. They are saying that a model of the brain fed with the same inputs as a real brain

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2011-10-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, Craig himself denies that his theory would manifest as violation of physical law, and is therefore inconsistent. There is no inconsistency. You're just not understanding what I'm saying because you are only

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2011-10-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 5, 10:15 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: No they are not saying that. They are saying that a model of the brain fed with the same inputs as a real brain will act as the real brain... if it was not

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2011-10-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 5, 6:40 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, Craig himself denies that his theory would manifest as violation of physical law, and is therefore inconsistent. There is no

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2011-10-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 5, 7:10 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 5, 10:15 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: No they are not saying that. They are saying that a model of the brain fed with the

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2011-10-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If you are right then there would be a violation of physical law in the brain. You have said as much, then denied it. You have said that neurons firing in the brain can't be just due to a chain of biochemical events.