Re: Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I'm trying to understand your paper, but a seemingly much simpler form of your argument keeps getting in the way. The simpler form is the Lucas argument, discussed in great scholarly detail on http://www.iep.utm.edu/lp-argue/ It seems to me to be self-evident that 1p cannot

Re: Re: Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Isn't the Godel problem similar or related to saying that the subject cannot be part of the predicate ? Then in any system there will always be at least one subject, and that subject cannot be part of the rest of the system ? Which is the same as saying, along with Leibniz,

Re: Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Perhaps I have gotten things wrong, but Godel's problem seems to me to be the self-reference problem uncovered by B Russell, namely that a class (if I am using the right word) cannot itself be a member of that class. For example suppose we have a list of siblings, john,

Re: Re: Re: Two possible ways of creating actual objects out of nothing

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Sorry, my mistake, I remembered wrong. It was somebody else. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/21/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list

How Leibniz solved the self-reference problem. Each monad is essentially blind.

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi everything-list Time is not a variable in the monadology, so everything changes instantly, or at least at the speed of light. The self-reference problem also shows up in Leibniz, but now I see that that's why he used the verb reflects. Because each monad cannot see outside of his point of

Re: [evol-psych] The problem of what exists*

2012-11-21 Thread John Mikes
Dear Richard and Anna: I have an easier stance on the subject: whatever 'comes up' in 'a' mind - exists. If not otherwise: in thought (idea?). Once 'thought' about it, it does become part of the world. Physical attributes may be considered by people who accept those figments but even for those it

Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2012, at 20:47, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/11/20 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 20 Nov 2012, at 16:02, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/11/11 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 11 Nov 2012, at 01:29, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It is an observable fact. is obviously

Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2012, at 11:32, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal I'm trying to understand your paper, but a seemingly much simpler form of your argument keeps getting in the way. The simpler form is the Lucas argument, discussed in great scholarly detail on http://www.iep.utm.edu/lp-argue/

Re: Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation

2012-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2012, at 14:10, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Isn't the Godel problem similar or related to saying that the subject cannot be part of the predicate ? Yes. the subject (1p) can't. But the machine can still refer to itself. Then in any system there will always be at least

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-21 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I would never claim there is no relationship between numbers and geometry, I claim that there is no function which geometry serves for arithmetic. Pythagoras discovered and proved his famous theorem using geometry, only later

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2012, at 18:51, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: both the W-man and the M-man know perfectly well who they are, Yes certainly they do, they know exactly who they are but they are not the ones that Bruno Marchal asks questions and

Re: Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation

2012-11-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/19/2012 10:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Nov 2012, at 15:43, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/19/2012 9:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Nov 2012, at 02:12, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 07:48:57PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Russell, I agree with this